Unbelievable Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 I'm in a 12 player PPR keeper league. Our keepers cost us the round they were drafted in (progressive). Players picked up off the wire will only cost a last round pick to keep. Traded players keeper value is traded with them. I am on the fringe of the play-offs and with Brandon Marshall (5th round pick) and Shonn Greene (17th round pick) being too valuable to throw away, yet too feeble to start, I needed roster space for a playable RB/WR/TE. I had Frank Gore. He would have cost me my #1 pick to keep next year so I wasn't planning on keeping him anyway. The trade deadline has passed. I threw him away. Now another team can grab him off the wire and keep him next year for a last round pick. Our waiver wire order is "worst team first" and I waited until all the Tuesday panic picks were over so I could reduce the chances that he would be picked up by one of the perennial winners. The first 4 teams on the waiver priority list will not make the play-offs and have losing records. Did I do something wrong by dropping Gore and was it unethical to time the drop to benefit the weaker the teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 nothing wrong with what you did ,,,,,,,,,, I typed a 1000 word responce given my reasons but deleted it because all you need to know is nothing wrong with your play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted December 4, 2010 Author Share Posted December 4, 2010 did someone complain? There is grumbling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 There is grumbling. when I traded Brees in a dynasty week 4 for Romo & a 2011 1st there were grumblings too only because others wanted him but weren't willing to pay the price ,,, what i'm saying there is alwasy grumblings from owners that miss out on something like a trade or in this case a wire pick-up that they wanted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 you didn't do anything wrong but i don't like the rule at all. could lead to collusion of some kind b/t people dropping players for other owners who are first in the waiver order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odog22 Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 yeah, we had the same setup in my league. We ended up changing the rules next year stating that a player who is dropped must be kept in the round that they were drafted in. So picking up gore would cost that person a first rounder next year...you could also avoid the issue by adding an IR spot. Too late for this year but an easy fix for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted December 4, 2010 Author Share Posted December 4, 2010 (edited) yeah, we had the same setup in my league. We ended up changing the rules next year stating that a player who is dropped must be kept in the round that they were drafted in. So picking up gore would cost that person a first rounder next year...you could also avoid the issue by adding an IR spot. Too late for this year but an easy fix for next year. IR would have been the perfect solution. I keep him stashed and trade him in the off season. Truth be told, I'm the loser in this scenario. I lost a #1 RB and all i got in return was a roster spot. ...so why do I feel guilty? Edited December 4, 2010 by Unbelievable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 ...so why do I feel guilty? I think we're all trying to figure that out. Feel bad about screwing yourself maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historymike Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 (edited) IR would have been the perfect solution. I keep him stashed and trade him in the off season. Truth be told, I'm the loser in this scenario. I lost a #1 RB and all i got in return was a roster spot. ...so why do I feel guilty? You likely feel guilty because there is a certain sneakiness... no, make that craftiness... about your move. To me it seems legit, yet perhaps you were raised with an excessive dose of notions about fair play (not to get all Freudian or anything). The guilt probably stems from the fact that you made this move in good faith, and yet peopole are bee-atching anyways, which is making you scratch your head and reassess. While you might not go through life wanting to be liked all the time, simultaneously no one (except sociopaths or Jerry Jones) really likes to be disliked, especially if you are friendly with the other owners outside of the FF league. Oh, and I need your email address to send you my bill for this therapy session. I trust that your insurance carrier has mental health coverage, and please pay your co-pay at the front desk. Edited December 4, 2010 by historymike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 yeah, we had the same setup in my league. We ended up changing the rules next year stating that a player who is dropped must be kept in the round that they were drafted in. So picking up gore would cost that person a first rounder next year...you could also avoid the issue by adding an IR spot. Too late for this year but an easy fix for next year. this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 IR would have been the perfect solution. I keep him stashed and trade him in the off season. Truth be told, I'm the loser in this scenario. I lost a #1 RB and all i got in return was a roster spot. ...so why do I feel guilty? Well, you screwed yourself over and you unbalanced the league for`one season (I assume Gore can't be kept after next season based upon what you described). The only thing you're really guilty of is making a really bad move because you didn't think through the consequences of playing in a keeper league given its rules (which I admit are faulty). On the positive side, you've exposed a loophole that needs to be fixed. There's merit in that and your league can deal with this situation during the offseason without too much harm being done - it may even agree to correct your mistake with Gore. In any case, it sounds like your move was through stupidity and not through malice. If this is the worst thing that you do this year, you've had a pretty damned good year I'd say. Give yourself a break on this one. Oh, and you'll have to raise your level of stupidity significantly if you plan to keep up with me. Get on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted December 4, 2010 Author Share Posted December 4, 2010 Well, you screwed yourself over ... This may be as you say but I don't see it. I'll be keeping Chris Johnson @ 2nd, Brandon Marshall @ 5th, Shonn Greene @ 16th, Dwayne Bowe @ 17th and Michael Vick @ 18th retaining my 1st, 3rd and 4th round picks. Last year I threw away Brees, and AJ and it hasn't killed me (actually, traded them for Gore...that guy isn't gonna make the play-offs). I hate giving up that #1 pick to keep last year's player. If I find some ww gold between now and the end of the season, I will throw Marshall away. Also have Desean @ 1st but will let him go too. I don't follow the "stupid" part unless you're talking about the off season trade value I threw away, but in a keeper league there isn't much demand for a guy that will cost you a first anyway. I do appreciate your comments on my topic and welcome your rebut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 What happened in '08 when Brady went down with a season ending injury? What about Dallas Clark this year? Or Jermichael Finley? If you are forced to hang onto injured players because of this rule, then the rules need to be changed. Nothing you can do about it now though. How old is this league? I mean, good players go on IR all the time. Is this really the first time someone has dropped a decent value keeper that went on IR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 This may be as you say but I don't see it. It's not my contention that you are a stupid person, but that the move you made here was stupid. To simply cut Gore without seeking compensation by trading him to another owner first? Gore is worth a 2011 1st rounder. If you didn't want him, someone most probably would have given you a draft pick for him. Simply dropping him in a keeper league is a stupid move. You had a chance to make your 2011 team better and you blew it - you didn't even think to investigate the possibility. There's no getting away from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 What happened in '08 when Brady went down with a season ending injury? What about Dallas Clark this year? Or Jermichael Finley? If you are forced to hang onto injured players because of this rule, then the rules need to be changed. Nothing you can do about it now though. How old is this league? I mean, good players go on IR all the time. Is this really the first time someone has dropped a decent value keeper that went on IR? well, you could still use IR next year and should institute IR at next year's draft, that way if you need to add an extra pick to make everything even you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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