caddyman Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 I just don't see it. He has been a head coach for 15 full seasons. Of those 15 seasons, he has had a winning record six times. He has not won a playoff game since 2003. Why the hell do so many people think he is all that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 (edited) If there is a coach in the league who can turn chicken#### into chicken salad, it is Fisher. Other than Eddie George (and the recent success of Chris Johnson), look at the hands he's been dealt in terms of roster and what he's done with it. McNair couldn't read a D to save his life - his early seasons in the passing game were atrocious - and Fisher turned him into a Pro Bowl QB. The best reciever up to Britt that he ever had was Mason, and then nothing much else at all beyond those two. The management in TEN has always been weak, but he's overcome that regulalrly. The guy does more with a roster loaded with average or less talent than any coach in the league. He's creative and innovative. His players respect him and play balls-to-the-wall for him. Plus he's just damned likable. There's a lot more beyond the numbers with him. Edited December 11, 2010 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Honestly, if you have to ask then you just won't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 It amazed me the other night when they said how long he has been in Tennessee. Jeez, time flies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted December 11, 2010 Author Share Posted December 11, 2010 Honestly, if you have to ask then you just won't get it. Maybe you can tell me some reasons? Probably not. BB post about turning chix sht into something is weak as hell. NFL coaches are paid to win championships. This guy has been there forever and done absolutley squat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Maybe you can tell me some reasons? Probably not. BB post about turning chix sht into something is weak as hell. NFL coaches are paid to win championships. This guy has been there forever and done absolutley squat. Like I said, you just won't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Maybe you can tell me some reasons? Probably not. BB post about turning chix sht into something is weak as hell. NFL coaches are paid to win championships. This guy has been there forever and done absolutley squat. Okay, now I'm trying to figure out whether you're fishing or just don't know anything about football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 I don't particularily like Fisher....but have to say that BB is pretty much spot on in his assessment of the situation. And you have already made your decision.... so no matter what anyone says.... you won't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 (edited) Maybe you can tell me some reasons? Probably not. BB post about turning chix sht into something is weak as hell. NFL coaches are paid to win championships. This guy has been there forever and done absolutley squat. Tom Landry, considered one of the greatest coaches of all time coached for 29 years, TWENTY NINE, he won just 2 Super Bowls. Thru 15 years in the league he had won ONE. Fisher didn't win one but he got within a 1/2 a yard. Had he gotten that extra yard would you be singing a different tune? Look I am not saying that Fisher is Landry, he isn't but what I am saying is that there is more to it than just winning Super Bowls. oh and in 15 years Fisher has only had back to back losing seasons just ONCE...Landry had 2 streaks, one with 3 straight years of losing seasons and one with 4 straight. Edited December 11, 2010 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted December 11, 2010 Author Share Posted December 11, 2010 Tom Landry, considered one of the greatest coaches of all time coached for 29 years, TWENTY NINE, he won just 2 Super Bowls.Thru 15 years in the league he had won ONE. Fisher didn't win one but he got within a 1/2 a yard. Had he gotten that extra yard would you be singing a different tune? Look I am not saying that Fisher is Landry, he isn't but what I am saying is that there is more to it than just winning Super Bowls. oh and in 15 years Fisher has only had back to back losing seasons just ONCE...Landry had 2 streaks, one with 3 straight years of losing seasons and one with 4 straight. OMG...Tom Landry has a winning record FOR 20 YEARS IN A ROW. The longest such streak for Fisher IS TWO. TWO. I rest my case. I am not just fishing here. I hear his name mentioned for the Dallas job. They have run coaches out of town with a better record than this guy. There is absolutely no evidence that he would be a winner elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Tom Landry, considered one of the greatest coaches of all time coached for 29 years, TWENTY NINE, he won just 2 Super Bowls.Thru 15 years in the league he had won ONE. Fisher didn't win one but he got within a 1/2 a yard. Had he gotten that extra yard would you be singing a different tune? Look I am not saying that Fisher is Landry, he isn't but what I am saying is that there is more to it than just winning Super Bowls. oh and in 15 years Fisher has only had back to back losing seasons just ONCE...Landry had 2 streaks, one with 3 straight years of losing seasons and one with 4 straight. OMG...Tom Landry has a winning record FOR 20 YEARS IN A ROW. The longest such streak for Fisher IS TWO. TWO. I rest my case. I am not just fishing here. I hear his name mentioned for the Dallas job. They have run coaches out of town with a better record than this guy. There is absolutely no evidence that he would be a winner elsewhere. Exactly. Keg, if you wanted to look at a long tenured HC that hasnt won a superbowl as a HC you could have just picked Reid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Who's responsible for personnel? How come he consistently has less to work with than the rest of the league? Because Adams considers himself a football man and TEN has always used active GMs who are given authority. Not every team runs its personnel moves the way DEN has in the past 16 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Exactly. Keg, if you wanted to look at a long tenured HC that hasnt won a superbowl as a HC you could have just picked Reid he said it was about winning Super Bowls...Landry as great as he was only won 2. But then he changed it up to winning years yada yada yada...like I said, if he has to ask then he just won't get it...and I didn't pick Reid because I am an Eagles fan well that and because it stings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 OMG...Tom Landry has a winning record FOR 20 YEARS IN A ROW. The longest such streak for Fisher IS TWO. TWO. I rest my case. I am not just fishing here. I hear his name mentioned for the Dallas job. They have run coaches out of town with a better record than this guy. There is absolutely no evidence that he would be a winner elsewhere. and to start off his career he had 6 consecutive non-winning season(the 6th was .500 the others were sub .500) so if you were the owner he never would have had a chance to get to start the 20 year run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Marv Levy that guy sucked too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted December 11, 2010 Author Share Posted December 11, 2010 he said it was about winning Super Bowls...Landry as great as he was only won 2. But then he changed it up to winning years yada yada yada...like I said, if he has to ask then he just won't get it...and I didn't pick Reid because I am an Eagles fan well that and because it stings from my original post... I just don't see it. He has been a head coach for 15 full seasons. Of those 15 seasons, he has had a winning record six times. He has not won a playoff game since 2003. Why the hell do so many people think he is all that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted December 11, 2010 Author Share Posted December 11, 2010 and to start off his career he had 6 consecutive non-winning season(the 6th was .500 the others were sub .500) so if you were the owner he never would have had a chance to get to start the 20 year run. Fisher has 16 year track record. We are not talking about the start of his career. Try to keep up please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 (edited) from my original post... I just don't see it. He has been a head coach for 15 full seasons. Of those 15 seasons, he has had a winning record six times. He has not won a playoff game since 2003. Why the hell do so many people think he is all that? If there is a coach in the league who can turn chicken#### into chicken salad, it is Fisher. Other than Eddie George (and the recent success of Chris Johnson), look at the hands he's been dealt in terms of roster and what he's done with it. McNair couldn't read a D to save his life - his early seasons in the passing game were atrocious - and Fisher turned him into a Pro Bowl QB. The best reciever up to Britt that he ever had was Mason, and then nothing much else at all beyond those two. The management in TEN has always been weak, but he's overcome that regulalrly. The guy does more with a roster loaded with average or less talent than any coach in the league. He's creative and innovative. His players respect him and play balls-to-the-wall for him. Plus he's just damned likable. There's a lot more beyond the numbers with him. Honestly, if you have to ask then you just won't get it. I don't particularily like Fisher....but have to say that BB is pretty much spot on in his assessment of the situation. And you have already made your decision.... so no matter what anyone says.... you won't get it. EDIT: and let me add that there is more to coaching than just wins and losses but today the mentality is what have you done for me lately...Wade Phillips FINALLY got fired but look at how many people have been saying for years that he just wasn't a good coach....there are also other examples of where a coach gets canned and honestly he probably shouldn't have (not just the NFL either)...also today's NFL is much different from the NFL of the past...look at the parity that we have today..player movement etc...that makes what Fisher & even Reid have done that much more impressive, albeit it without any hardware. Edited December 11, 2010 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Tom Landry, considered one of the greatest coaches of all time coached for 29 years, TWENTY NINE, he won just 2 Super Bowls.Thru 15 years in the league he had won ONE. Fisher didn't win one but he got within a 1/2 a yard. Had he gotten that extra yard would you be singing a different tune? Look I am not saying that Fisher is Landry, he isn't but what I am saying is that there is more to it than just winning Super Bowls. oh and in 15 years Fisher has only had back to back losing seasons just ONCE...Landry had 2 streaks, one with 3 straight years of losing seasons and one with 4 straight. I always feel the need as a Rams fan to make a slight correction when people say things like this. Not picking on you, it's a very common misconception. His team in that Super Bowl was a half yard from TYING that game, not winning it. That gives them at BEST a 50/50 shot at the game based on the coin toss in overtime, because everyone knows that if the Rams win the toss in OT, they would have scored. There, I feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 So you're saying that with better personnel people, Fisher would've had much more success. There's no way prove it, but from what I've seen I'd say absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 I always feel the need as a Rams fan to make a slight correction when people say things like this. Not picking on you, it's a very common misconception. His team in that Super Bowl was a half yard from TYING that game, not winning it. That gives them at BEST a 50/50 shot at the game based on the coin toss in overtime, because everyone knows that if the Rams win the toss in OT, they would have scored. There, I feel better. Technically, it would have put them an extra point away from tying it or a 2pt conversion from winning it (were there 2pt conversions back then?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.K.Trey Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 I always feel the need as a Rams fan to make a slight correction when people say things like this. Not picking on you, it's a very common misconception. His team in that Super Bowl was a half yard from TYING that game, not winning it. That gives them at BEST a 50/50 shot at the game based on the coin toss in overtime, because everyone knows that if the Rams win the toss in OT, they would have scored. There, I feel better. I was at this game , 15 rows up on the goal line that Dyson was reaching for. What a great finish! (unless u were a Tenn Fan) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 +1 I don't want him in Denver. Seems to me you were strongly supporting McDaniels until recently, too. You'll have to forgive me if I consider your judgment a little questionable when it comes to HCs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Technically, it would have put them an extra point away from tying it or a 2pt conversion from winning it (were there 2pt conversions back then?) Yeah, they'd have gone for the duece there. Riiiiiight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 I'd rather have a decent coach and a brilliant personnel guy than the other way around. I sure hope that DEN doesn't make the same mistake. Elway has already been in conversations with Bowlen regarding a personnel management position/minority owner share of the team. And I'd rather have great guys in both positions, FWIW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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