Tim Tebow

[BearBroncos]

It's hard to say how his NFL career will work out and even yesterdays performance can't be an indication of how he'll do going forward but I wanted to get others thoughts who might have watched the game.

 

My perspective, well, probably not all that good. He did nothing to hurt the team, really. He held the ball when it counted. He didn't throw an INT and he was able to scramble as good as any running QB with the amount of time he had.

 

The coaches calls could be one factor that caused Tebow to not perform as well but one thing I saw that somewhat concerned me (and this is mainly due to be his first NFL start) was his pocket presence. He seemed to feel real uncomortable back there and wanted ot revert back to what he does best, running.

 

Again, I blame allot of this on the coaches play calling which was horrific. So predictable so once Oakland figure it out, Tebow was in for a long day.

 

Tebow didn't dissappoint but by the same breath, he didn't excite me either. I think he did great for what he had to work with but just from that one performance, I would prbably give him a C+ and with the bell curve of the coaches poor play calling, I might bump that up to a B or B- performance.

[historymike]

Tebow played well enough to win (at least, had there been a functioning Denver defense). A few rookie mistakes, some athleticism, some flashes of talent as a playmaker: the potential is there, but I suspect Orton would have finished off one or two of those stalled drives. Still, I have seen far worse rookie debuts at QB.

 

Is Tebow the next wunderkind? Who knows. Did Tebow perform well enough to justify the next two starts? Absolutely. Will Tebow-haters continue their abuse? Definitely. Will Tebow-lovers proclaim him the next Peyton Manning after one game? Undoubtedly.

Edited December 20, 2010 by historymike

[BearBroncos]

We burn another 1st on the offensive I think would be once again counter productive. We fail each and every year to fill the defensive needs like another DE for the otherside of Dumervil and we need some help with the LB core. I think our CB's will be fine with Cox and Goodman but once Baily is gone, thats all we have at those positions. We need a top, 1st round DT, LB, FS or SS.... Something.

[BearBroncos]

what we spent in the past has no bearing on future decisions. IF Andrew Luck has the potential to be the next elite QB -and- if Orton or Tebow (in mgt's view) lacks the ability to get to the next level, then you have to draft the QB.

 

Don't you think that SF will be looking to draft a QB next year? Should OAK have stuck with Jamarcus just cuz he was a 1st round QB?

 

IF you don't have the stud QB and you can get one, then don't you?

 

In all honesty, I think Orton has done very well for this franchise and I think Tebow, if given the opportuntiy, could be a great QB for many years. If Elway becomes the GM, I can almost grauntee that Orton will have at least another year in Denver and Tebow will be the future QB for the Denver Broncos.

 

The Denver offense wasn't the major issue this year but the Denver D was HORRIFIC. The last 2 games were more a product of the teams absolute mental shut down as they all went on sabbatical for the remainder of the year.

 

Draft some nice, young talent for the D, maybe offer Mike Nolan another spot or I'd even like to see Wade Phillips come in as DC. Fix our D and this team will be back in the conference fight again.

[BearBroncos]

I agree that Orton is very good -- no where near elite tho. And I think Tebow could be just as good as Orton.

 

You remember when the critics where in on Elway? He was nearly ran out of town because he was a scrambling QB. Not saying Tebow is anything close to an Elway, but I'd be willing to see before I chit can him.

[historymike]

I agree that Orton is very good -- no where near elite tho. And I think Tebow could be just as good as Orton.

True, but you do not need an elite QB to win a Super Bowl. Think of some of the less-than-elite (or even mediocre) QBs with Super Bowl rings: Jim Plunkett, Jim McMahon, Kenny Stabler, Doug Williams, Eli Manning, Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien, Brad Johnson, Joe Namath, and Trent Dilfer all come to mind. I'll take a great defense any day of the week over a stud QB if I am building a Super Bowl contender.

[Furd]

True, but you do not need an elite QB to win a Super Bowl. Think of some of the less-than-elite (or even mediocre) QBs with Super Bowl rings: Jim Plunkett, Jim McMahon, Kenny Stabler, Doug Williams, Eli Manning, Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien, Brad Johnson, Joe Namath, and Trent Dilfer all come to mind. I'll take a great defense any day of the week over a stud QB if I am building a Super Bowl contender.

 

You're kinda living in the past, don't you think?

 

Today, I think that you have a better shot of getting to the Superbowl with an elite QB and a mediocre defense than with a medicore QB and an elite defense.

[historymike]

Uh, Manning, Johnson, and Dilfer all won in this decade, Furd. We might also add Roethlisrapist to this list.

[BearBroncos]

Uh, Manning, Johnson, and Dilfer all won in this decade, Furd. We might also add Roethlisrapist to this list.

 

Roth is probably the best example!

[BearBroncos]

well, it's all kind of moot anyways. Unless the new CBA with rookie caps are in place for the draft, DEN will trade down cuz Bowlen doesn't have the resources to offer $30-50mil guaranteed.

 

Another valid argument for a defensive back

 

I do think, however, the CBA will be ratified before next year. It's an industry "too big to fail" in that this thing has grown to proportions beyond even their imagination.

[BearBroncos]

Err, aye. DL was meant.

[Furd]

Uh, Manning, Johnson, and Dilfer all won in this decade, Furd. We might also add Roethlisrapist to this list.

 

Johnson and Dilfer won it early in the decade. Things have changed quite a bit since then.

 

Roethlisberger is an elite QB in the playoffs.

 

Manning is an exception, although I wouldn't call him a journeyman like Johnson or Dilfer.

 

More than ever, the NFL is a QB league.

[BearBroncos]

Johnson and Dilfer won it early in the decade. Things have changed quite a bit since then.

 

Roethlisberger is an elite QB in the playoffs.

 

Manning is an exception, although I wouldn't call him a journeyman like Johnson or Dilfer.

 

More than ever, the NFL is a QB league.

 

Wha??? Big Ben had good numbers but nothing elite about 21/30 for 256 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT. Kurt Werner had elite number in that game going 31/43 for 377 yardsm 3 TD's and 1 INT.

Edited December 20, 2010 by BearBroncos

[MTSuper7]

Talk of Denver drafting a QB early is hogwash. They have WAY worse needs.

[Turf Smurf]

It's hard to say how his NFL career will work out and even yesterdays performance can't be an indication of how he'll do going forward but I wanted to get others thoughts who might have watched the game.

 

My perspective, well, probably not all that good. He did nothing to hurt the team, really. He held the ball when it counted. He didn't throw an INT and he was able to scramble as good as any running QB with the amount of time he had.

 

The coaches calls could be one factor that caused Tebow to not perform as well but one thing I saw that somewhat concerned me (and this is mainly due to be his first NFL start) was his pocket presence. He seemed to feel real uncomortable back there and wanted ot revert back to what he does best, running.

 

Again, I blame allot of this on the coaches play calling which was horrific. So predictable so once Oakland figure it out, Tebow was in for a long day.

 

Tebow didn't dissappoint but by the same breath, he didn't excite me either. I think he did great for what he had to work with but just from that one performance, I would prbably give him a C+ and with the bell curve of the coaches poor play calling, I might bump that up to a B or B- performance.

#1 - He's a rookie.

 

#2 - Happy feet is a learned behavior, and I would suspect very difficult to "un-learn" without a large amount of confidence in your O-Line. Some level of run needs to be encouraged, but that's because of an opportunistic situaton, and not out of necessity. (When in doubt throw the ball away instead of taking a coverage sack).

 

#3 - For his first start in the NFL, I'd agree, and give him a B to B-.

 

#4 - This team doesn't move forward without a Gibbs or other like minded O-Line coach.

 

#5 - This team has plenty of talent to have finished where we will.

 

#6 - The Broncos have a hugh management problem, in my opinion.

 

#7 - I just hope, as a life long fan, that part of the rebuilding process would be to evaluate Pat Bowlen's responsibilities. It seems to me that it may be time for Pat to take 2 or 3 steps back from his managerial responsibilites.

 

Just my cents, FWIW.

[Turf Smurf]

In all honesty, I think Orton has done very well for this franchise and I think Tebow, if given the opportuntiy, could be a great QB for many years. If Elway becomes the GM, I can almost grauntee that Orton will have at least another year in Denver and Tebow will be the future QB for the Denver Broncos.

 

The Denver offense wasn't the major issue this year but the Denver D was HORRIFIC. The last 2 games were more a product of the teams absolute mental shut down as they all went on sabbatical for the remainder of the year.

 

Draft some nice, young talent for the D, maybe offer Mike Nolan another spot or I'd even like to see Wade Phillips come in as DC. Fix our D and this team will be back in the conference fight again.

+1

 

I agree with this. My previous post was a rant focused on the offense.

 

Perhaps I was having flashbacks of Dan Fouts, before anyone had even heard of the Boltz.

[Turf Smurf]

#4 -- RUSS GRIMM! I think he's going to be a good HC. He's current the Asst. HC and OL coach in AZ. Let him continue to work closely with the OL and oversee the team while hiring good OC/DC.

 

#6 yup!

 

#7 yeah I'd love to see Elway as President and Marty Shottenheimer as VP with Grimm at HC. If Elway, Shottenheimer and whomever they bring in as personnel will oversee the talent, then I'd be fine with keeping Xanders as GM.

I don't disagree, but I would think it would be really hard for Marty to get over the past.

 

I do really hope John has a role to play going forward, in what ever capacity he believes he can contribute most. Assuming that is what he really wants to do, and not some feeling that he has to give back (if that makes sense).

[BearBroncos]

John has always been wanting to once again be a part of the Broncos. He is the franchise and haing him part of it once again, in what ever role would not only boost the moral of the Denver players, but the fans as well. Bowlen is one of the best owners and he wants a solid prodcut on the field. Adding Elway might just ensure that happens!

[Bronco Billy]

Well, I was about as skeptical of Tebow as anyone, and I came away feeling much better about his future - and I'd be the first one on this board to burn down the Annoited One if he looked like a complete turd.

 

The guy is an athlete. There is no arguing with that. He has intangibles that the really good to great QBs need - he is a leader, he motivates his team mates to play beyond their ability, he leads by example, and he can turn a busted play into positive yardage. He genuinely loves the game. Those are qualities that Orton seems to lack quite a bit. What I really liked and did not expect to see was his ability to make NFL throws the way he did. He can throw the deep out and he can drop the ball in the bucket 5 yds downfield as well as 40 yds downfield. He also showed some decent pocket presence - which I really didn't expect at all. He's got the timer in his head and feels pressure. He needs to learn his progressions and how to look off his initial target to move LBs and Ss, but that generally comes with time and experience in the NFL. He also sees the small NFL windows and can fit a ball into them.

 

Were there some warts in his last game? Sure. He's a rookie making his first start, and he's not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. But his lack of a quality team around him hurt him as much as his own inexperience. He is missing 2/5ths of a comptetent starting O-line, he had an easy TD dropped by a 3rd string RB who wouldn't be on most rosters, and he doesn't have a solid outlet receiver on the roster. He was also running a HS game plan. If he's going to play, the coaches need to open the play book quite a bit more. Find whether he can really absorb the requirements of the position and extend himself, not play only in his comfort level.

 

This isn't a guy who is going to throw for 4500 yds. He could throw for 3200 yds and run for another 700 yds, though. That's chains-moving type stuff. He's also deadly in the red zone - something Orton decidely is not.

 

It's still going to take another couple of years to see him really start to show his ability. He'll need to go through some growing pains. But the tools are there for a top 10-12 NFL QB. I liked what I saw, and saw some pleasant things I did not expect. He's a ways away, but he isn't the waste of a draft pick that many of McDaniels' picks were. He's not first round talent, but as far as I can see he has all the tools to play at a level that the top thrid of the QBs in the league play at.

 

I see Tebow and I see a yound Randall Cunningham more than anything else. If he can develop another gear to his play, he has the ability to take his game to an optimimum of something like a Steve Young.

Edited December 23, 2010 by Bronco Billy