tazinib1 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 With the CBA contract expiring March 4th (I believe) at midnight, this will be the last chance to meet with the owners to discuss important matters regarding the CBA until mid Feb. I expect to see a press conference today from Goodell informing us what the focus points of the new agreement will be. Stay tuned. All I know is that they better get something done. I just can't see the NFL letting an entire season slip away. The impact of a lockout could be very detrimental to the league IMO. Not MLB ramifications, but serious damage will be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 I can't believe this hasn't been a bigger ongoing thread on these boards. I think the fans are taking football for granted. There is a very real possibility that there won't be football next season. The next big domino to keep an eye on is that this is heading to court to see if a lockout is even legal. If it is determined to be legal, there will be essentially a freeze on all operations from March until August, just because August/September is the next real time where there would have to be a sense of urgency. It would be an incredibly exciting two weeks if free agency doesn't open until the end of August. Having the draft before free agency would be pretty strange as well. I know, I'm still being pretty optimistic. I'm one of the naive myself, I just can't imagine the sides throwing billions of dollars away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
half_hennessy Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 I might be wrong but I believe the draft happens in April regardless of the outcome of the CBA to that point the rookies won't be signed to contracts obviously and noone who isn't drafted will be signed after the draft either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Twitter is going crazy over this today - pretty much every NFL athlete is encouraging people to visit NFLLockout.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) Twitter is going crazy over this today - pretty much every NFL athlete is encouraging people to visit NFLLockout.com Signed and submitted. Some very good info here. However, it is one sided and I'd like to see and hear the owners side. Never-the-less, this is gonna be very big debate for the next couple of months. Edited January 18, 2011 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 C'mon you know you're itching to draft a fantasy team of scabs this fall. Maybe Favre will even coming back and cross the picket line and play for the Bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennykravitz2004 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Twitter is going crazy over this today - pretty much every NFL athlete is encouraging people to visit NFLLockout.com (not knocking you kp) Why, so we can look at their slanted, favorable "stats" which shows the owner's making $75 billion of the $100 billion dollar pie, as opposed to the owners numbers showing how the players are getting the $75 billion? This whole thing frustrates the hell out of me. Fighting over MY friggin money. Hockey suffered, baseball suffered, and football will as well (but not as bad). Especially when people realize they can do other enjoyable things with their $300 they don't spend on Sunday Ticket, $100 on spamshirts, and $8 on hot dogs... I hope both sides suck it up, and get a deal done which is best for the league. 16 games. 2 pre-season games for vets, 4 for rookies and players making rosters (some kind of designation/exemption). Owners should get the larger slice of the pie (IMHO) in exchange for guaranteed player contracts a la baseball. Jus' my Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 I seriously doubt there will be any kind of lockout. There is just too much money to be lost for both sides for them not to come up with some sort of agreement, even if it's only temporary until they can hash out a long term agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrumjuice Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 I can't believe this hasn't been a bigger ongoing thread on these boards. I think the fans are taking football for granted. There is a very real possibility that there won't be football next season. So freak out, get worried and then what? You have nothing to do with the process, why act like a little lady about it? If this is a big worry for you, I wish I had your life. I have to struggle daily to try and put food on my family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 So freak out, get worried and then what? You have nothing to do with the process, why act like a little lady about it? If this is a big worry for you, I wish I had your life. I have to struggle daily to try and put food on my family. Wife not a big fan of the meat dress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 So freak out, get worried and then what? You have nothing to do with the process, why act like a little lady about it? If this is a big worry for you, I wish I had your life. I have to struggle daily to try and put food on my family. I'm simply saying that the biggest issue in maybe decades in the sport that we are all passionate about has barely been mentioned. It is like we are purposely ignoring the issue in hopes that it will make it go away. No need to freak out or get worried I suppose, but discussing the issue a bit in a football forum would seem warranted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 You all know my stance by now. Peyton Manning doesn't need to be owned by anybody. Cut the owners out and the players take almost the entire 100 billion. Case closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Twitter is going crazy over this today - pretty much every NFL athlete is encouraging people to visit NFLLockout.com Will you please stop posting your spam? TIA . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 There are a couple of dates that will matter. The Superbowl - It would be great to have it done by then but outside of lip service given by Goodell, there seems no chance it is done by then. The NFL really does NOT want their premier event to be marred with discussions of the CBA but it probably will. It is no big deal by then other than fodder for talk outside of the Superbowl. March 4th. This would be the starting day of free agency but that does not exist without a CBA. This is the first date that it matters. There will be talks in FEB for sure, hot and heavy but both sides have their agendas and quickly giving in just is rare in negotiations. No one feels like the legal fees were worth it. This is when no more checks are paid, no more insurance paid, etc. (Sidebar - the NFL players have been told for a couple of years to start saving money for this. They already make a ton of it and they were instructed to stash as much as they could. According to an agent friend of mine, almost no one has done this - 'gasp'!!! April 28th - start of NFL draft. This would be interesting. No CBA means no acquiring free agents. So the draft becomes the first place teams look to fill holes. Draft would go on with all the same hoopla. NFL teams just could not actually sign them to a contract or work anyone out. They are merely getting rights to a player. So far, only difference would be no free agents and no players are getting paid. Player agents would be pissed with no cuts of big contracts. June - this would be a critical mass if it reaches this point. If they could resolve it by this month, then it would all be okay and without any real disruption. Players would have "starved" for three or four months and would be getting pretty pissed at everyone including their own legal teams. Media would pick up on anything mean spirited and some players would be on TV making it sound like they are indentured servants. But if they resolve it by June, it could all be fine other than players being mad. July - it gets very messy if it takes this long. If they intend on going to a 18 game season, there are a lot of logistics to arrange. There are a lot of teams needing to install new offenses and defenses with new coaches. If you reach here, then what could happen is an agreement to just extend the previous CBA to save the season. August - If there were no CBA in place by now it would be catastrophic. It would probably result in a shortened season and could take a lot of unsavory forms. No one would be happy if it went this far. No one. In my opinion, there is no way there is a lockout which extends into the season. No matter how greedy both sides can be, they will reach an agreement if only to extend 2010 and delay the process. My best guess is that it will not be over until around the NFL draft and probably in May. That has the players feeling a 3 month pinch, the attorneys all racking up some nifty hours, the owners experiencing a delay in getting coaching staffs in place and productive and making progress on a new year and yet still plenty of time to entertain a new 18 game season and make logistical changes for it. My guess is that the new contract will keep veteran salaries somewhat the same or better and take it out on the rookies who are realistically way overpaid anyway and not much of an issue with the union. The media likes the lockout since it gives them something to talk about but it really serves no one. I would be shocked if the lockout extends past May or maybe early June, There can be a whole lot of bad press and posturing and doomsday predicting by then but long as it is done by May-ish then the season all happens with no real impact to the season or the health of the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 So freak out, get worried and then what? You have nothing to do with the process, why act like a little lady about it? If this is a big worry for you, I wish I had your life. I have to struggle daily to try and put food on my family. Is it just me or do you strive to be negative in all your posts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 I don't think anybody is making a bid deal bout it because everybody expects it to be resolved. Personally, I think will get done before March. If it isn't done by then, I start to worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Is it just me or do you strive to be negative in all your posts? He's our very own little ray of sunshine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 He's our very own little ray of sunshine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 There are a couple of dates that will matter. The Superbowl - It would be great to have it done by then but outside of lip service given by Goodell, there seems no chance it is done by then. The NFL really does NOT want their premier event to be marred with discussions of the CBA but it probably will. It is no big deal by then other than fodder for talk outside of the Superbowl. March 4th. This would be the starting day of free agency but that does not exist without a CBA. This is the first date that it matters. There will be talks in FEB for sure, hot and heavy but both sides have their agendas and quickly giving in just is rare in negotiations. No one feels like the legal fees were worth it. This is when no more checks are paid, no more insurance paid, etc. (Sidebar - the NFL players have been told for a couple of years to start saving money for this. They already make a ton of it and they were instructed to stash as much as they could. According to an agent friend of mine, almost no one has done this - 'gasp'!!! April 28th - start of NFL draft. This would be interesting. No CBA means no acquiring free agents. So the draft becomes the first place teams look to fill holes. Draft would go on with all the same hoopla. NFL teams just could not actually sign them to a contract or work anyone out. They are merely getting rights to a player. So far, only difference would be no free agents and no players are getting paid. Player agents would be pissed with no cuts of big contracts. June - this would be a critical mass if it reaches this point. If they could resolve it by this month, then it would all be okay and without any real disruption. Players would have "starved" for three or four months and would be getting pretty pissed at everyone including their own legal teams. Media would pick up on anything mean spirited and some players would be on TV making it sound like they are indentured servants. But if they resolve it by June, it could all be fine other than players being mad. July - it gets very messy if it takes this long. If they intend on going to a 18 game season, there are a lot of logistics to arrange. There are a lot of teams needing to install new offenses and defenses with new coaches. If you reach here, then what could happen is an agreement to just extend the previous CBA to save the season. August - If there were no CBA in place by now it would be catastrophic. It would probably result in a shortened season and could take a lot of unsavory forms. No one would be happy if it went this far. No one. In my opinion, there is no way there is a lockout which extends into the season. No matter how greedy both sides can be, they will reach an agreement if only to extend 2010 and delay the process. My best guess is that it will not be over until around the NFL draft and probably in May. That has the players feeling a 3 month pinch, the attorneys all racking up some nifty hours, the owners experiencing a delay in getting coaching staffs in place and productive and making progress on a new year and yet still plenty of time to entertain a new 18 game season and make logistical changes for it. My guess is that the new contract will keep veteran salaries somewhat the same or better and take it out on the rookies who are realistically way overpaid anyway and not much of an issue with the union. The media likes the lockout since it gives them something to talk about but it really serves no one. I would be shocked if the lockout extends past May or maybe early June, There can be a whole lot of bad press and posturing and doomsday predicting by then but long as it is done by May-ish then the season all happens with no real impact to the season or the health of the league. Good stuff DMD...thanks for the breakdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrumjuice Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Is it just me or do you strive to be negative in all your posts? I was hoping to bring a little levity to a situation that, although would be catastrophic were there to be an actual lock out, us as fans freaking out about it won't change anything. In my opinion, the owners take all the risk, they deserve their just rewards. Also, I am not always negative. My fawning over Peyton Manning is on display for all to see. He is the toughest, smartest competitor to ever play the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) In my opinion, the owners take all the risk, they deserve their just rewards. The players don't risk significant damage to their bodies every time they step on the field? I'm generally a "Business Owner Side" kind of guy, and I'm not even saying that I'm not in this case. I just think your statement is very inaccurate. It's like saying the guy that owns the land where the mine is dug is taking all the risk by paying miners, even though they are the ones that are risking getting trapped underground. There's more than just monetary risk to consider. Edited January 18, 2011 by Caveman_Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrumjuice Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 The players don't risk significant damage to their bodies every time they step on the field? Of course they do, that's what they make the big bucks. Do they take more risk that a policeman? Fireman? How about a telephone repair man? Your analogy is pure, unadultered CRAP. Sorry, there goes me being negative again. For the 2007 season, minimum salaries in the NFL are:Rookies - $285,000 One Year Veteran - $360,000 Two Year Veteran - $435,000 Three Year Veteran - $510,000 Four to Six Year Veteran - $595,000 Seven to Nine Year Veteran - $720,000 Ten+ Year Veteran - $820,000 Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_leag...L#ixzz1BQR1bmGA So straight outa college, which was free, if you make an NFL team you earn $285,000 plus all the perks. And I am supposed to feel sorry for them? They are being led by the nose via greedy lawyers and agents. They are messing with fire and if they get too greedy, it's bad for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Of course they do, that's what they make the big bucks. Do they take more risk that a policeman? Fireman? How about a telephone repair man? Your analogy is pure, unadultered CRAP. Sorry, there goes me being negative again. Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_leag...L#ixzz1BQR1bmGA So straight outa college, which was free, if you make an NFL team you earn $285,000 plus all the perks. And I am supposed to feel sorry for them? They are being led by the nose via greedy lawyers and agents. They are messing with fire and if they get too greedy, it's bad for everyone. Yeah $285k minus taxes, minus agent fees. The average NFL career is less than 5 years but the degradation to the body lasts a lifetime. No offense, but your policeman, telephone repairman analogy just doesn't fly. A very unique situation here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 WASHINGTON Jan.18th-- The NFL players' union confirms it has filed a collusion claim against the league's owners.The case has been filed with the same special master who is considering the union's complaint about the league's TV contracts. In December, the league and the players' union agreed to extend the deadline to file a collusion claim. Union spokesman George Atallah says Tuesday he can't comment on details of the collusion claim. NFL owners and players are trying to negotiate a collective bargaining agreement to replace the one that expires in March. Two weeks ago, special master Stephen Burbank began hearing complaints from the players' union that the NFL improperly re-negotiated network TV contracts. A ruling is expected this month. --Associated Press Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrumjuice Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 The average NFL career is less than 5 years I think it's actually just under 3 years. Hey, if it's too hard, find a different line of work. It is a grueling job for sure, one that takes a lot of work. But hey, if it was easy everyone would do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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