Seahawks21 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 So many teams are in the market for a young QB in this draft, but nobody seems to have any consensus on what order to put the QB's in. If you're on the clock, who are you taking as your team's GM? The hopefuls: Mallett Gabbert Newton Locker Kaepernick Devlin Dalton Ponder Stanzi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 The two that have caught my eye so far are Ponder and Dalton for the Seahawks at 25. I think Newton and Mallett and probably Gabbert will be off the board by then. Maybe more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) Do not sleep on Kaepernick. He's flying up the QB rankings. He could be top 3 by draft day. I feel sorry for the team that drafts Locker. Horrible accuracy. He's a 2nd/3rd rounder at best but with the CBA looming, teams are going to be drafting QB's at an alarming rate in the 1st round this year. I can see 5 going in the top 15 picks alone if they go balls out. 5-6 in the 1st round is very plausible for a less than extraordinary QB class. Kaepernick is the sleeper of the group IMO. Edited January 28, 2011 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 Do not sleep on Kaepernick. He's flying up the QB rankings. He could be top 3 by draft day. I feel sorry for the team that drafts Locker. Horrible accuracy. He's a 2nd/3rd rounder at best but with the CBA looming, teams are going to be drafting QB's at an alarming rate in the 1st round this year. I can see 5 going in the top 15 picks alone if they go balls out. 5-6 in the 1st round is very plausible for a less than extraordinary QB class. Kaepernick is the sleeper of the group IMO. Yeah, from what I've been reading, he sounds intriguing. I've just never seen him play, or if I have, I don't remember it. The only eyebrow he raises for me is that for such a big, strong guy, the arm strength doesn't sound like it is all that great. I'm not sold, but certainly intrigued. I'm going to stay mum on Locker for the purposes of this thread, and defer to those without bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Yeah, from what I've been reading, he sounds intriguing. I've just never seen him play, or if I have, I don't remember it. The only eyebrow he raises for me is that for such a big, strong guy, the arm strength doesn't sound like it is all that great. I'm not sold, but certainly intrigued. I'm going to stay mum on Locker for the purposes of this thread, and defer to those without bias. From what I've seen and read on Kaepernick, a strong arm is not a weakness of his. His stumbling block will be his delivery (fixable) and transitioning from a Pistol offense to taking snaps under center (again, fixable). He's sitting at fringe 1st round pick status as of now but after the combine I fully expect him to be drafted by one of the mid pick teams in need of a QB. I know your a Washington homer but I'm not on the Locker bandwagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Cecil Cam Newton is a headache waiting to happen. I pity the team that drafts him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Living the Dream Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Dalton will probably be the best of the bunch in 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Dalton will probably be the best of the bunch in 3 years. Although I don't agree he'll be the best out of this group in 3 years, Dalton is going to be a very good NFL QB. The Hornfrogs operated out of the shotgun and Dalton has shown the ability to transition to under center very quickly and smoothly during Senior Bowl practice. The only concern about Dalton seems to be his deep ball, which he wasn't asked to throw in a screen oriented offense at TCU. Teams will make a strong consideration for him in the 1st round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Cecil Cam Newton is a headache waiting to happen. I pity the team that drafts him. +1,000 Although there is a workout for NFL scouts scheduled in Feb here in San Diego. Still trying to find out where that workout is going to be held. Would love to get an up close look see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I see Dalton as Drew brees light. I think he and Gabbert are the guys to get. And Taz, if Locker goes in the 2nd or 3rd, is he still a disaster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Vikings aren't one of those teams.. ...we have Joe Webb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) I see Dalton as Drew brees light. I think he and Gabbert are the guys to get. And Taz, if Locker goes in the 2nd or 3rd, is he still a disaster? If Locker falls to the 2nd or 3rd, watch out. There are very few QB's since the 90's that have had a significant career being drafted in the 2nd round. Don't get me wrong, Locker will be drafted and probably get a shot to start. His accuracy is something that cannot be taught. You either have accuracy or you don't and its sending up hugh red flags to scouts. Gabbert is going to be a great NFL QB when he fixes a few minor things like his windup and the ability to read a defense. He'll probably be one of the first QB's taken in the draft. ETA: just dug up this nugget from an NFL scout on Locker during this weeks Senior Bowl practice. Pretty much sums it up: If Locker cannot exhibit NFL-caliber accuracy on seam or out routes when playing against air in one-on-one drills, or even against a half-effort pass rush in team scrimmages, it is hard to project him doing it during his NFL career. Edited January 29, 2011 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Vikings aren't one of those teams.. ...we have Vince Young!! fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Newton is Joe Montana in skill and intellect comapred to Ryan Mallik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Couch Potatoe Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Cecil Cam Newton is a headache waiting to happen. I pity the team that drafts him. Vince Young anyone???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Rodgers Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 His accuracy is something that cannot be taught. You either have accuracy or you don't and its sending up hugh red flags to scouts. Didn't the guy have just one bad day (the first day) at the Senior Bowl and has done much better ever since? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) Didn't the guy have just one bad day (the first day) at the Senior Bowl and has done much better ever since? I've been following this one very closely. He had a pretty brutal first day, a much better second day, and then regressed on the third day. He wasn't as bad as the first day, but not nearly as good as the second day. The third day he supposedly looked a little tight and was aiming the ball trying to be perfect, and came up short on many throws to the sidelines. Those are picked for six in the NFL. I'm anxious to see him in the game today to see how he looks compared to the other quarterbacks. I'm also really anxious for his pro day. QB's like Sanchez, Bradford and McCoy went threw their entire pro day and didn't throw an incomplete pass. I just can't see something like that happening with Locker, but if it does, all of this senior bowl stuff goes away rather quickly. His accuracy issues aren't something that have simply reared their head at the senior bowl. This is something that some of us that have watched his entire career saw coming a long, long time ago, it is just finally now becoming national news. Edited January 29, 2011 by Seahawks21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrumjuice Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 And with the 16th Pick of the 2011 NFL Draft, The NY Giant,... er the Jacksonville Jaguars Select: Check out the tats bro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I believe Gabbert will be the best of the bunch, but, I think Kaepernick will have the best value related to where he is picked. I know they won't, but, teams in need of a QB that are going to be bad again should think twice about paying for a QB early, when Luck will be available next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Rodgers Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I've been following this one very closely. He had a pretty brutal first day, a much better second day, and then regressed on the third day. He wasn't as bad as the first day, but not nearly as good as the second day. The third day he supposedly looked a little tight and was aiming the ball trying to be perfect, and came up short on many throws to the sidelines. Those are picked for six in the NFL. I'm anxious to see him in the game today to see how he looks compared to the other quarterbacks. I'm also really anxious for his pro day. QB's like Sanchez, Bradford and McCoy went threw their entire pro day and didn't throw an incomplete pass. I just can't see something like that happening with Locker, but if it does, all of this senior bowl stuff goes away rather quickly. His accuracy issues aren't something that have simply reared their head at the senior bowl. This is something that some of us that have watched his entire career saw coming a long, long time ago, it is just finally now becoming national news. I hear all that but his stats didnt fall off that much in 2010 from 2009, when he was considered the "no-brainer" #1 overall pick. I'll reserve judgement until I see how he plays in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 I hear all that but his stats didnt fall off that much in 2010 from 2009, when he was considered the "no-brainer" #1 overall pick. I'll reserve judgement until I see how he plays in the game. He was never going to go anywhere near #1 last year. That was an analyst fueled hype machine that completely snowballed. Notice that you never heard any actual NFL personnel rave about him the way you heard "draftniks" talk about him. The draft panel actually came back and said he wasn't even actually going to even go in the first round last year. The fact that his numbers fell off at all is quite alarming. Your numbers aren't supposed to fall off your redshirt senior year. They're supposed to get substantially better, especially in a QB conference with an improved and talented supporting cast. Okay, I broke my vow of silence on Locker. I'm done now. As you were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Newton is Joe Montana in skill and intellect comapred to Ryan Mallik. This. But with more infinitely more baggage. Vince Young anyone???? Worse, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 This. But with more infinitely more baggage. Worse, imo. This is the choice between Vince Young and Jarmacus. Who would you choose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 What a yawner of a Senior Bowl, as far as QB's are concerned. I think Ponder came out looking the best. He also figures to have a Wunderlic in the 40's. His durability issues have pushed him out of the first round most places you look, but if he shows good arm strength in workouts, he might just creep back into it. At this point, and I'll probably change my mind 7 times before the draft, he is the guy I would be targeting if I was the Seahawks GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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