BeeR Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Now being by many as the top QB, even possibly a top pick. I've seen very little of him so anyone who has seen a lot more would be interested in your take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) Over rated. System QB in college, not a prototypical drop back passer. ETA: He is more of a dink and dunk type guy, wide formations, defenses get confused in college a receiver is always open on a crossing pattern. YR - Comp - Att - YDS - % - YPC - Lng - TD - INT - Sack Rating. 2010 - 301 - 475 - 3186 - 63.4 - 6.71 - 68 - 16 - 9 - 23 - 127.03 Edited March 8, 2011 by SEC=UGA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j2v Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Over rated. System QB in college, not a prototypical drop back passer. ETA: He is more of a dink and dunk type guy, wide formations, defenses get confused in college a receiver is always open on a crossing pattern. YR - Comp - Att - YDS - % - YPC - Lng - TD - INT - Sack Rating. 2010 - 301 - 475 - 3186 - 63.4 - 6.71 - 68 - 16 - 9 - 23 - 127.03 By comparison, in the same offense at Missouri Chase Daniel (cut by the Redskins, current backup to Drew Brees in New Orleans) put up these numbers: YEAR - COMP - ATT - YDS - % - YPA - LNG - TD - INT - SACK - RATING 2006 - 287 - 452 - 3527 - 63.5 - 7.80 - 74 - 28 - 10 - 19 - 145.06 2007 - 384 - 563 - 4306 - 68.2 - 7.65 - 82 - 33 - 11 - 20 - 147.88 2008 - 385 - 528 - 4335 - 72.9 - 8.21 - 80 - 39 - 18 - 15 - 159.44 Daniel is 6-0, while Gabbert is 6-5 and you know the pros love their QBs tall 2V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 Thx. I was wondering what all the fuss was. Amazed how often people are dazzled by glittery numbers w/o considering all factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Thx. I was wondering what all the fuss was. Amazed how often people are dazzled by glittery numbers w/o considering all factors. Well, considering that plenty of guys get knocked on draft day because they're "system guys", I'm going to guess the scouts see something they like besides "glittery numbers". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennykravitz2004 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 As a Mizzou fan and watching a lot (not all) of their games, I've been scratching my head on his hype. I could be very wrong, but I just don't get it. IMHO, he's coming out early due to a poor year for Locker, Luck is staying, and (I'll defer to the powers that be here) what I see as a somewhat weak (questionable?) QB class. At least that's the way I see it if Gabbert's being considered #1 overall. Again, I could be very wrong. Mizzou likes loves those short bubble screens with some downfield stuff mixed in, IIRC. And he ran a bit, but I thought Daniel was a better runner than Gabbert is/was at MU. Having said that, wasn't Bradford a "system QB" too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 what I see as a somewhat weak (questionable?) QB class. A lot of us have been saying the same thing for months. But due to the immense need at QB this year, these guys will be taken higher than they normally would in a draft full of very good QB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j2v Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 As a Mizzou fan and watching a lot (not all) of their games, I've been scratching my head on his hype. I could be very wrong, but I just don't get it. IMHO, he's coming out early due to a poor year for Locker, Luck is staying, and (I'll defer to the powers that be here) what I see as a somewhat weak (questionable?) QB class. At least that's the way I see it if Gabbert's being considered #1 overall. Again, I could be very wrong. Mizzou likes loves those short bubble screens with some downfield stuff mixed in, IIRC. And he ran a bit, but I thought Daniel was a better runner than Gabbert is/was at MU. Having said that, wasn't Bradford a "system QB" too? The advantage Bradford and Gabbert have is that their spread offense wasn't a run-first one like Tebow and Newton played in. And I think some see Gabbert, who looks the part of an NFL quarterback physically, and believe he can do what Bradford did: make the college spread to NFL transition relatively seamlessly. The difference, in my opinion, is that Bradford did it for multiple years while Gabbert is really kind of late to the party. And the OP makes a great point about Gabbert coming out early to capitalize on a Luck-free quarterback class, as well as this class being questionable. There isn't a "sure" thing in the bunch, though there were plenty of concerns about Bradford last year. Gabbert's upside is near Bradford, but I think it takes him longer to get there. That said, I still think both Gabbert and Newton are off the board in the top 10 picks. I would think the smarter move would be to take a Ponder or Kaepernick or even Locker in the second round; expectations are lower, and you perhaps aren't as rushed in developing them. So of course my Vikings will waste #12 on Mallett... 2V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted March 9, 2011 Author Share Posted March 9, 2011 I think there's some oversimplification going on ie comparing Gabbert and Bradford due to both being "system QBs." Based on what I see/hear about Gabbert, they are not in the same class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I would think the smarter move would be to take a Ponder or Kaepernick or even Locker in the second round; expectations are lower, and you perhaps aren't as rushed in developing them. Finally!! Somebody with some sense!! I love both Ponder (who ripped up the combine I might add) and Kaepernick. Locker, however, is another story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j2v Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I think there's some oversimplification going on ie comparing Gabbert and Bradford due to both being "system QBs." Based on what I see/hear about Gabbert, they are not in the same class. I don't disagree. Gabbert's upside is near Bradford, but I don't necessarily think he gets there--and certainly not as quickly. That upside, in my opinion, is a best-case scenario for Gabbert. But the system both played in should at least give them a leg up on Tebow and Newton. And in a relatively weak group of quarterbacks, Gabbert seems to stand out. At least he hasn't done anything to hurt himself, as most of the rest of the class has done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I've never seen a kid go up draft boards like this. Much like I had these thoughts about Locker last season, I have to wonder if GM's regard him nearly as high as draftniks currently do. An afterthought only a few months ago, and now a potential top-5 pick? Tuvey is right on. Everybody else has hurt themselves, and he is the last man standing. I don't really know enough about the kid to call it one way or another, but I feel Bradford is so special that there is almost no way this kid can be compared to him. How does he compare with, say, Matt Ryan? I just have no idea. If I have a top pick, and need a QB, I'm going to try to trade down (I know it doesn't happen at the top of drafts) and gamble on Mallett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I've watched a decent amount of Misery football and Gabbert isn't that bad. In a lot of years he wouldn't go as high as he will this year, but I'd have made the same decision if I was in his shoes. I don't really think he'll be that good of a pro, but I thought the same thing about Josh Freeman so I could definitely be wrong. That being said, I always thought Bradford was going to be legit and I think Sam has a much higher ceiling of the two. Blaine needs to go somewhere and sit for a year or two (ala Kolb). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Drew Brees brain in Peyton Manning's body with a safety's speed. Not only do i think he is far and away the best qb in this draft I'm higher one him since and college qb since P. Manning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tford Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I don't like him. He has bad footwork that results in too many off-balance throws and poor body positions that result in inaccuracy on his throws. Even when he does plant his foot properly, he's got a weird windup and release. Watch a couple of his games on youtube and count how many times Gabbert throws off of his back foot. I also find that he doesn't trust his pocket enough and is constantly bouncing around in there. When he does use his feet to buy time, I don't think he takes care of the ball enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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