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MINNEAPOLIS -- NFL coaches are teaming up with the players in their legal fight to end the owner-imposed lockout.

The NFL Coaches Association filed a brief with the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Wednesday expressing support for the players and saying that the lockout is putting their jobs in jeopardy.

"Owners and fans increasingly demand immediate success, and coaches whose teams cannot fulfil such severe expectations face likely dismissal, which means the uprooting of families, economic dislocation, and a significantly less promising career path," lawyers for the NFLCA wrote.

 

 

http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=366895

 

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Poor NFL owners. All they want is a few more billions, but now everyone is starting to turn on them.

 

Poor players all they want is a few more billion and people think the owners are being greedy.

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Yer right. They got their billions in 2006 when the owners screwed up and did a bad deal.

 

Time to undo that mistake in my book.

 

And the other mistake is to not sign players to money you can't "afford" to pay them.

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When I read the article, it stated they're wanting the lockout lifted, that had it been a strike by the players they would have submitted to the court against the players. I don't see them siding with anyone other than they want to work. It also seems this was done without all coach's knowledge or consent on.

 

The first official response from the league's coaching fraternity came Thursday.

 

The Washington Redskins' coaches released a joint statement to NFL.com and NFL Network, dotted with 17 signatures from staff members, throwing support behind the owners, not the players.

 

"We stand united with our ownership, and the brief does not reflect our thoughts on the matter," the letter reads. "We, like everyone else, are hopeful that we can return to playing football. We look forward to a new CBA, and welcoming back our players as soon as possible."

 

According to a team source, a large part of the problem the coaches had with the brief was that they weren't consulted with it first. Head coach Mike Shanahan didn't sign the letter because he's also vice president of football operations, which makes him management.

 

The NFLCA did reach out to Kirk Olivadotti, the Redskins' former representative, but Olivadotti left the team earlier in the offseason to coach at the University of Georgia. The NFLCA's brief didn't have names attached to it.

 

"It's not something you need names to do," NFLCA director Larry Kennan said. "We are, by definition, a friend of the court, and we're telling the court we're doing this because we'd like the lockout to end. It was never a requirement to put names on it."

source per NFL.com

 

Read into it what you will, way I read it, they're just looking out for themselves job wise regardless who may or may not be at fault. Some of them anyways.

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The Washington Redskins' coaches released a joint statement to NFL.com and NFL Network, dotted with 17 signatures from staff members, throwing support behind the owners, not the players.

 

"We stand united with our ownership, and the brief does not reflect our thoughts on the matter," the letter reads. "We, like everyone else, are hopeful that we can return to playing football. We look forward to a new CBA, and welcoming back our players as soon as possible."

 

According to a team source, a large part of the problem the coaches had with the brief was that they weren't consulted with it first. Head coach Mike Shanahan didn't sign the letter because he's also vice president of football operations, which makes him management.

 

They signed it but didn't read it? It sounds like that happens in Washington a lot...

 

It also sounds like the coaching staff understands who signs the paychecks.

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They signed it but didn't read it? It sounds like that happens in Washington a lot...

 

It also sounds like the coaching staff understands who signs the paychecks.

 

 

They signed their own letter. they didn't sign what was submitted to the courts by the coach's association, which filed for all coach's in what they consider to be in all coach's best interest. Don't confuse the two together.

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They signed their own letter. they didn't sign what was submitted to the courts by the coach's association, which filed for all coach's in what they consider to be in all coach's best interest. Don't confuse the two together.

 

Ah. Read it too quickly. Thanks for clarifying, GB

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The average NFL players makes under 500,000 per year and has a career on average of less than 4 years.

 

I'm pretty sure the NFL owners profit more than 500,000 each year from NFL revenue.

 

The NFL player assumes ALL bodily risk. The NFL owner takes on now risk. The NFL is a proven commodity.

 

The owners make more money than the players. This is simply a matter of greed on their part.

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The average NFL players makes under 500,000 per year and has a career on average of less than 4 years.

 

I'm pretty sure the NFL owners profit more than 500,000 each year from NFL revenue.

 

The NFL player assumes ALL bodily risk. The NFL owner takes on now risk. The NFL is a proven commodity.

 

The owners make more money than the players. This is simply a matter of greed on their part.

 

You've posted some very misleading information. There was extensive research done on the numbers. That less than 4-year average career is a number based on all players who enter the draft. If you only take players who make a regular season roster, the average career is over 6 years. That makes the average gross earnings by players well over an average of $500K per year. Even guys picked at the bottom of the 7th round who make rosters sign contracts that average $500K per year, but the majority of players make more than that - some make much more. This is also easily verifiable - go to Rotoworld and you can see contract details on every player.

 

That the players take on bodily risk is why they average way more than $500K per year, and it's part of why most other people in our society make vastly less than that.

 

So you intend to penalize the owners who are making good money now when it literally took decades to build this league up to where it is? Do you hate capitalism? This is the way it is supposed to work. Well run businesses become profitable and gain substantial value as they grow. You want to get into the game now to reap the profits from all that hard work and diligence for some many years? Fine, now you need to be prepared to ante up some pretty good jack to buy a team. Again - that's the way it is supposed to work. Not sure why you would be against this unless you don't believe in capitalism.

 

Finally, let's suppose the average player does make an average of $500K per year - which is false but we'll go along just for fun. How many players are there vs owners/owners groups?

 

Let's see - some very simplistic basic math, 53 man rostersX32 teamsX$500K. That's about $850,000,000 that you have going to the players. But we know the most recent salary cap was around $128M per team. Let's say that on average teams spend at 90% of the cap. That's $128MX.9X32 teams , which is $3,700,000,000 (which is less than cumulative payroll actually was, BTW). You seem to have been duped. How could your number possibly be that far off? And that doesn't include all the extra benefits that players get - health care, pension, travel expenses, etc. Plus players get to pocket their endorsements that they get as a perk from being a NFL player.

 

Sounds like you need to brush up on your math a bit and apply some common sense, instead of just buying into the union talking points.

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If you think the players are greedy:

The percentage of total revenues paid to players in the years following the

2006 CBA extension is lower than the average percentage paid to players

since the NFL and the players entered into the current salary cap/free agency

system in 1993. Recent increases merely reverse a downward trend that

began in 1999.

http://www.rodneyfort.com/PHSportsEcon/Com...20Ownership.pdf

 

 

By the way, I got some math:

 

 

1.02 = the average value of each NFL franchise, in billions, as of summer 2010. The value dropped 2 percent, the first drop since 1998 (Forbes magazine).

 

360 = the percentage appreciation in the value of the average NFL franchise from 1998 to 2008 (The Economics of NFL Team Ownership by economics professors Kevin M. Murphy and Robert H. Topel of the University of Chicago, at the request of the NFL Players Association).

 

19 = how many former NFL players have been diagnosed with Alzheimer's or other memory-related diseases, at a rate 19 times that of the normal rate for men between the ages of 30 and 49 (University of Michigan Institute for Social Research).

 

18 = the number of games that NFL owners, to increase revenue, want teams to play, up from the current 16, proof positive that all the new rules that have been instituted over concussions by the league have been done for public-relations purposes or to stave off lawsuits.

 

95.8 = amount of television revenue (in millions) taken in by each NFL club last season from CBS, NBC, ESPN, and Fox. An additional $45.8 million each is generated by various other sources for a total of approximately $141.6 million per team (NFL Players Association).

 

1.896 = average salary for NFL players in millions in 2009. Despite the average, obviously skewed by salaries of major stars, many NFL players do not make $1 million in their careers after taxes. The average salary for Major League Baseball players is roughly $3.297 million. The average salary for National Basketball Association players is about $5.85 million. (CBSSports.com, NBA.com, USA Today).

 

1 = number of teams that have opened their books to NFL Players Association so the union can see what income and revenue are. Only one of the 32 teams releases financials, the Green Bay Packers, because it is community-owned. The chairman of the U.S. Senate Commerce Committee, Jay Rockefeller, recently urged the owners to release the information (Yahoo, The Washington Post).

 

16 = number of owners who are billionaires either because of personal worth or the value of their teams (Forbes).

 

5,400 = amount that Bud Adams, owner of the Tennessee Titans, has multiplied his investment after inflation since buying the original Houston Oilers in 1960 for $25,000 (Forbes).

 

8 = amount in billions of tax dollars that have been paid for active stadiums, more than half of the overall amount spent on construction and infrastructure. In some cases, municipalities are responsible for millions of dollars of debt on stadiums that no longer exist (The New York Times).

 

2 = Number of teams that lost money in the 2009 season: $7.7 million for the Miami Dolphins and $2.9 million for the Detroit Lions (Forbes).

 

33.4 = average team operating income in 2009, in millions, an increase of more than 1,000 percent since 1987 (NFL Players Association).

 

3.3 = average career length of a player in the NFL. Running backs have average careers of 2.57 years, wide receivers 2.81 years, and cornerbacks 2.94 years (Livestrong.com)

 

28 = number of NFL games in the top 30 rated shows among all programming on television in 2010 (ColdHardFootballFacts.com)

 

What these numbers point to is the greed of owners, the vast majority of whom cannot possibly say with a straight face that they purchased an NFL team to make a killing anyway on a year-to-year operational basis. After running out of all the other acquisitions that wealthy men make to fill up their strange lives, the cars and houses and yachts and impressionist paintings, most bought these teams as some new gadget. But since they are wealthy men, they also know how to grind out a buck.

 

They have in general been ruthless in placing a double-barreled shotgun squarely against the forehead of municipality after municipality, threatening to leave unless they received hundreds of millions back in public subsidies for new stadiums or renovations. Their even bringing up the idea of an 18-game schedule makes it obvious that their concern for the physical welfare of players is nada, no matter how many times they pat a player’s rump and mumble the aphorism that when the tough get going the going gets tough. The disregard only reinforces that players are just human livestock for most owners, some prized, some shipped out, some just worked until they break down. The game is physically brutal. The players know that and accept that, but it’s also one of the reasons the average shelf life of a player is less than four years. They need to get as much as they can when they can.

 

When you look at the record television ratings last season, when you look at the exponential rise in the value of franchises despite a slight drop in 2009, the league may be in the best shape it ever has been. To begin a lockout on Friday is silly enough. To cancel the upcoming season would be suicidal, and not even the owners’ sense of entitlement and ego carry that far.

 

Maybe.

 

Because these boys have not been part of the real world for quite some time.

 

If an NFL owner doesn’t like what is happening, the recourse is simple—sell the team at an enormous profit. Otherwise stop the Mother Teresa vow of poverty and pay the players what they are worth. Which is every penny of what they get now, a 60 percent share of a revenue base that is $8 billion and surely will continue to grow.

 

As far I know there isn’t a single owner who does what a player does: Play the game. That is somewhat important. Without them, I just don’t think a pillow fight between Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder over who gets to play quarterback in powder puff football would have the same thrill.

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Kind of silly waterboy to throw in after taxes fpr players. Goes both ways, owners pay taxes as well, far more. 2nd stupid part, posting what ateam cost in 1960. The cost of keeping a team today is far higher as well. Go look at the auto auctions and see what a 1960ish car in mint condition is going for. Original valus somewhere around $4500? Quit throwing in stupid chit, but of course, if you did, you wouldn't be posting at all.

3rd thing, everyone assumes 8% and there is no solid fact that will happen. Everyhting has a ceiling eventually. TV companies are going to back out if the cost is too high, sponsers can only pay what they can afford out of their profit margins. In case no ones seen it, the economy sucks right now, and has for 5+ yrs. To assume everyhting will keep growing is assinine and suicidal. As a business owner, I've seen income evaporate with the economy so bad, not skyrocket as you seem to want to project. Get a life, get a brain, and if nothing else, find some common sense. Bottom line, the players are extremely well payed. It would benefit alot of them to have the low end increased so the bottom feeder players make a little more. You would think the players themselves would discuss that or discuss a way to help retired players. The NFL addressed that, so far the players haven't. Why is that? The rich get richer and the poor get poorer and thats perfectly fine with todays players, until the day they are the retired players, then it'll be what about us? Rookie salary cap is a must and would benefit all players, retired or playing now. You want to cry me a river for players that get $70-100 million, some of which never touched a football yet. The owners and the players before all this made this is what it is. The owners did a damn good job making sure the league grew. What did players like Butkis make? Someone has to keep everyhting in track to make sure it doesn't get out of control and kill the league altogether. Common sense needs to prevail, both sides, and this me, me, me generation of today can KMA. BB had an excellent post earlier.

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I'm curious as to why you guys support the owners when they won't remove the chastity belts around their financial information. If a business is doing well, or about to go as broke as the NFL owners are saying, then why hide information that would prove your case? I believe the hate of the players who gloat their money by buying "tricked out" cars, etc. is why half of you seem to support the owners without a solid case on their side.

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:wacko:

 

On the title page:

 

This report was prepared at the request of the National Football League Players' Association

 

Where is the owners' numbers to prove their argument? Alot of press conferences and business suits, but no substance.

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