rush00756 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Both are PPR monsters, both had over 1,000 yds rushing, over 500 yds receiving. SOS is very close. Rice had to deal with vulture McGahee. So both look almost the same, you can't go wrong with either. I think I give the edge to McCoy, just b/c of style of offense (pass-happy) Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 This seems like a tough one but at the end of the day, I'm going with Rice all day. The one thing that scares me with McCoy is the fact that Vick is gonna be the guy to take over a game on a regular basis (not McCoy) and if it's not with his legs, it's with long bombs to DeSean and heavy doses of Maclin. Not to say that McCoy won't catch 75+ again, but he's the 3rd option at best and much less reliable than Rice, imo. Rice is going to catch just as many balls and will log more carries, AND he's arguably the #1 option on the Ravens offense. More opportunity + primary offensive weapon = higher probability of success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 in a PPR McCoy is a top 10 RB, but Rice is probably a top 5 RB...imo anyways...especially if the Eagles scoop up Reggie Bush...McCoy will be more fresh in this case which could help him on the ground, but cause his production to suffer in the passing attack... although I will say drafting Rice will scare me because I usually am afraid to draft a RB who hasn't had a significant bump in the road headed into his 4th season....I usually lean more towards someone in their 2nd/3rd season depending on how much they have toted the rock as a rookie... but that's just me, I'm not saying he's injury prone or anything...just my .02... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 (edited) I don't like the inconsistency from McCoy (prob play calling to blame) when Vick is starting. 7 rushing TD where 3 came in one game. 2 receiving TDs spread out over 16 games. Maybe you get 100 yards all purpose per game, that is all I can count on. Makes him an expensive draft pick if in the 1st or 2nd round. http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=354406 Edited June 18, 2011 by Scooby's Hubby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 My gut reaction is Ray Rice all day long. But in most of my leagues McCoy outscored him for the season (by 50 points in one league) and McCoy never had a 45 point game. Rice had 100 more carries. Now I know the 100 more carries can probably be written off as a difference in running sytles but McCoy only had like 15 more catches than Rice. On 85 more touches, Rice was outscored for the season by McCoy to the tune of 25-50 points. That's tough to ignore. One season isn't everything, but last year is the only year we have to compare where neither was a rookie. If Bush goes to Philly, I probably like Rice a ton more than McCoy but right now I would probably favor McCoy. Seems strange that Philly would be interested in Bush since his game is so similar to McCoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 in a PPR McCoy is a top 10 RB, but Rice is probably a top 5 RB...imo anyways...especially if the Eagles scoop up Reggie Bush...McCoy will be more fresh in this case which could help him on the ground, but cause his production to suffer in the passing attack... although I will say drafting Rice will scare me because I usually am afraid to draft a RB who hasn't had a significant bump in the road headed into his 4th season....I usually lean more towards someone in their 2nd/3rd season depending on how much they have toted the rock as a rookie... but that's just me, I'm not saying he's injury prone or anything...just my .02... Ya'll can have Bush for DeSean, hell we'll throw in Henderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 My gut reaction is Ray Rice all day long. But in most of my leagues McCoy outscored him for the season (by 50 points in one league) and McCoy never had a 45 point game. Rice had 100 more carries. Now I know the 100 more carries can probably be written off as a difference in running sytles but McCoy only had like 15 more catches than Rice. On 85 more touches, Rice was outscored for the season by McCoy to the tune of 25-50 points. That's tough to ignore. One season isn't everything, but last year is the only year we have to compare where neither was a rookie. If Bush goes to Philly, I probably like Rice a ton more than McCoy but right now I would probably favor McCoy. Seems strange that Philly would be interested in Bush since his game is so similar to McCoy. Bush is more like Westbrook with probably weaker running skills while being even better in the passing game.....McCoy is pretty decent in the passing game, but is in a system that will exaggerate a RB's abilities in the passing game.....not to mention he has the best running ability out of the backfield compared to Bush and Westy... here's how I rank them.. passing game Bush Westy McCoy running game McCoy Westy Bush imo McCoy is significantly better than Westy on the ground, but Westy was remarkable in the passing game....in a PPR, I think McCoy holds the highest value based on his balance...but if Bush goes to the Eagles, his fantasy value in a PPR would be a better play based on where their respective draft positions would be....because Bush would be in what might be the best offense for a RB who catches well (if said move is made)... anyways, my point is - Bush in the 5th > McCoy in the 2nd....and even then, you might be able to get Bush even later, but I would actually target him and secure it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Ya'll can have Bush for DeSean, hell we'll throw in Henderson Eagles won't move DeSean for that imo.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Rice, and it's not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Rice, and it's not even close. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Both are great backs on great teams for fantasy, but Rice is the man in that offense, whereas Shady is in a pack of playmakers on that team. That easily gives Rice the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 My gut reaction is Ray Rice all day long. But in most of my leagues McCoy outscored him for the season (by 50 points in one league) and McCoy never had a 45 point game. Rice had 100 more carries. Now I know the 100 more carries can probably be written off as a difference in running sytles but McCoy only had like 15 more catches than Rice. On 85 more touches, Rice was outscored for the season by McCoy to the tune of 25-50 points. That's tough to ignore. One season isn't everything, but last year is the only year we have to compare where neither was a rookie. that's weird, in my local Rice outscored McCoy by half a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 (edited) 2010 McCoy vs. Rice - season totals. MSHB II: McCoy - 258.20 Rice - 231.70 Hannibals: McCoy - 317.20 Rice - 273.30 TAR: McCoy - 260.20 Rice - 245.40 local: McCoy - 298.70 Rice - 247.30 Not what I expected to see either but there you go. ETA - I'd still take Rice over McCoy but those are the #'s Edited June 19, 2011 by Clubfoothead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 2010 McCoy vs. Rice - season totals. TAR: McCoy - 260.20 Rice - 245.40 local: McCoy - 298.70 Rice - 247.30 Not what I expected to see either but there you go. And Club, McCoy was just one cog in the wheel of my championship! Can you say "back to back TAR Titles?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Can you say "back to back TAR Titles?" I can, but I won't have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddahj Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Rice, and it's not even close. yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I can, but I won't have to. Dang! I can't wait. Auction league format is very fun. Scooby paid $54 for Rice and I paid somewhere around the $20's for McCoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 2010 McCoy vs. Rice - season totals. MSHB II: McCoy - 258.20 Rice - 231.70 Hannibals: McCoy - 317.20 Rice - 273.30 TAR: McCoy - 260.20 Rice - 245.40 local: McCoy - 298.70 Rice - 247.30 Not what I expected to see either but there you go. ETA - I'd still take Rice over McCoy but those are the #'s Rice struggled last year but he was also plagued with a knee injury. I think by far, Rice has the better year come this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 2010 McCoy vs. Rice - season totals. MSHB II: McCoy - 258.20 Rice - 231.70 Hannibals: McCoy - 317.20 Rice - 273.30 TAR: McCoy - 260.20 Rice - 245.40 local: McCoy - 298.70 Rice - 247.30 Not what I expected to see either but there you go. ETA - I'd still take Rice over McCoy but those are the #'s Despite the numbers from last season I think Rice has much better odds at continuing his production consistently on a long term basis. I don't think McCoy's numbers are a complete anomaly, but it stands to reason that when a player is not the lone play-maker, the main cog, or even has an offense the specifically supports a player's assets then that player won't typically keep up a consistent performance. Now you would argue that Philly's offense does support his style & while true, they also do a lot of other things & do them well, in other words, spread the ball around. They're not looking to close out games with McCoy, he's not going to be pounding the rock with a good lead. Whereas Rice is the main focus of what the Ravens want to do. Everything they do is to set him up to grind out a game, punish & wear out opponents, keep their aging defense fresh. I'll take that player any day over the guy who could break one at any minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Rice struggled last year but he was also plagued with a knee injury. I think by far, Rice has the better year come this year. I heard he was told to have surgery in the offseason and neglected it...(prior to last season)....I'm shocked he finished the season... I wonder how he'll fare this upcoming season if he isn't 100%....but if he is, I like him as a top 5 back at worst in a PPR... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajfalcone Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Rice! Especially without a doubt if Leach goes there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I don't like the inconsistency from McCoy (prob play calling to blame) when Vick is starting. 7 rushing TD where 3 came in one game. 2 receiving TDs spread out over 16 games. Maybe you get 100 yards all purpose per game, that is all I can count on. Makes him an expensive draft pick if in the 1st or 2nd round. http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showtopic=354406 are you sure about that? I'd still probably take Rice as well but mainly because he is the #1 in that offense The Bush rumor is a joke BTW- I see no reason why he would sign in Philly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 are you sure about that? I'd still probably take Rice as well but mainly because he is the #1 in that offense The Bush rumor is a joke BTW- I see no reason why he would sign in Philly Yeah, McCoy was pretty consistent last year, I just have a hard time believing that he's the type of player, in the right situation, to produce at that level on a yearly basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Yeah, McCoy was pretty consistent last year, I just have a hard time believing that he's the type of player, in the right situation, to produce at that level on a yearly basis. In his defense, no one believed that Westbrook would either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 In his defense, no one believed that Westbrook would either... Very true & McCoy certainly has the talent, but then again so does Rice. Then, to me, it all weighs down on opportunity & situation & I believe that is where Rice has the clear advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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