Crazysight Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) sleepers are supposed to actually have a decent chance to perform well in fantasy leagues. I completely disagree with the bolded. Sleepers are NOT supposed to perform well, exactly the opposite. They are not supposed to perform well but are surprises on the scene ,players who have talent but have not for one reasaon or another (injury ,youth, others in front of him on depth chart) performed on a higher level and this season "wake up" and outperform their draft spot. Someone drafted in the top 10 rounds of a redraft cannot be called sleepers. IMHO. That isn't what I meant when I used the word "supposed." I wasn't saying they are EXPECTED to perform well, they should be expected to be overlooked rather, but what I meant is that they need to be in a situation in which they will at some point have that opportunity to outperform expectations in the first place. Arizona is not that situation for a wide receiver unless/until a change occurs at QB. Edited July 14, 2011 by Crazysight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Yeah compare finley's numbers side by side by gates, sure looks like a guy "the best TE" in football. Finley will be lucky to finish second to Gates if both can actually stay healthy this year. Its more like Gates is widely regarded as the best TE EVER. 1157 yards for gates the prior year, compared to 600 something for finley. Gates had 90 fantasy points last year by week 4, Finley had 1/2 of that (or is that just in MY league again, like his number's weren't destroying Finley's in every league). Finley needs to show that he can even surpass the stats of a guy like VD (which by the way he hasn't yet at any point) before he's even fit to carry Gates jock, much less be mentioned in the same breath with Gates. Couldn't fit it all into post #60? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 This thread is awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 You mean, a better QB than the one that turned Stevie Johnson into a fantasy producer? So? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 I'm just pulling your chain bro. You don't have to get all sensative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 So your argument for Finley (widely regarded as the best TE in FF) Are you freaking kidding me? He can't stay healthy. He is FAR from 'widely regarded.' Ever heard of Antonio Gates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Are you freaking kidding me? He can't stay healthy. He is FAR from 'widely regarded.' Ever heard of Antonio Gates? Over the past month or so, Taz has exhibited the same kind of man-chub for Finley as he has for J-Stew. He also has a similar mini-chub for this Andre Roberts kid. Finley is awesome and is on a fantastic offense, but he'll need to stay healthy and find his way back into that offense .... an offense full of solid pass-catchers. Yeah, Gates is still top dog and I'd rather have a couple other TEs besides Gates before I go Finley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Guess it makes a difference when you fail to put "one of" in the sentence. Thanks for chiming in though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I'm just pulling your chain bro. You don't have to get all sensative. Knock it off, tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Going into last season, you'd both be wrong: ADP, 2010 FF drafts, 12 team ppr redraft real drafts: 1. Clark, Dallas IND TE 31.77 2. Gates, Antonio SDC TE 41.49 3. Finley, Jermichael GBP TE 48.36 4. Davis, Vernon SFO TE 50.93 5. Witten, Jason DAL TE 52.73 And Witten is still the safest way to go for optimal production at TE this coming year, IMNSHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Not a hugh difference this year either, same criteria: 1. Gates, Antonio SDC TE 36.25 2. Finley, Jermichael GBP TE 43.20 3. Clark, Dallas IND TE 48.09 4. Witten, Jason DAL TE 50.75 5. Davis, Vernon SFO TE 55.69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) Kevin Boss could land somewhere that actually might use him (Miami?) and could be a good steal late, making him a potential sleeper. Edited July 15, 2011 by Scooby's Hubby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I'll be the voice of reason on Finley. Yes he's exceptional as a pass catcher goes, but he hasn't shown that he can stay healthy for a season. Even if he's healthy, he can't hold Antonio Gates jock. 1. Gates 2. Witten 3. Vernon Davis 4. Dallas Clark/Jermichael Finley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Kevin Boss could land somewhere that actually might use him (Miami?) and could be a good steal late, making him a potential sleeper. I sort of agree with this, but for another reason. If Boss leaves, I think the real sleeper here would be Travis Beckum. If Boss stays, I still think they use him more, but they could very well let Boss go in hopes of resigning Bradshaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I'll be the voice of reason on Finley. Yes he's exceptional as a pass catcher goes, but he hasn't shown that he can stay healthy for a season. Even if he's healthy, he can't hold Antonio Gates jock. 1. Gates 2. Witten 3. Vernon Davis 4. Dallas Clark/Jermichael Finley A lot of guys bypassed Aaron Rodgers using the exact same kind of rationale... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 And why would they break the bank for a top free agent TE after they gave up the house for Julio Jones? I would bet that TG is coming back, but it isnt like Atlanta was a hotbed of TE greatness BEFORE they traded for TG . . Heck, if Bo Scaife gets cut he would be a decent stopgap TE, they dont need to spend over the top for TE, not when they have free agent offensive lineman they need to re-sign. I still think Branson could end up being fantasy gold next year. Most did not get to see him before his injury due to it being preseaon but the kid was down right awesome. His virtical was Marshall like and he was able to get seperation damn near every play. I think Atlanta bet the farm on Julio so they will need to hope they can land a rookie who can be an immediate impact, once TG decides to retire. Here's my prediction for Branson this year. 40 receptions for 400 yards and 5 TD's. Not bad fantasy value for a TE and this with TG still in the picture. I think if he's able to do what I expect, I think he will warrant some great numbers in 2012 when TG is retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tford Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I still think Branson could end up being fantasy gold next year. Most did not get to see him before his injury due to it being preseaon but the kid was down right awesome. His virtical was Marshall like and he was able to get seperation damn near every play. I think Atlanta bet the farm on Julio so they will need to hope they can land a rookie who can be an immediate impact, once TG decides to retire. Here's my prediction for Branson this year. 40 receptions for 400 yards and 5 TD's. Not bad fantasy value for a TE and this with TG still in the picture. I think if he's able to do what I expect, I think he will warrant some great numbers in 2012 when TG is retired. Why are you completely discounting Michael Palmer in this? Palmer was respectable in couple spots last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Why are you completely discounting Michael Palmer in this? Palmer was respectable in couple spots last year. He did get a TD last season but didn't contribute a heck of allot. He is a big TE but the blogosphere doesn't think Palmer will be the guy. Pelle has failed to impress and they (the Falcons) were quick to grab Branson when Denver released him (another chitty dicision by McDaddy) afte rhis injury. I just don't think Palmer has the ability (but oculd change... he is young) to get good seperation and on check downs, that's critical. I just think they went after Branson for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazysight Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 So your argument for Finley (widely regarded as the best TE in FF by morans) is that YOUR league is not a TE mandatory league. Ok bro. I didn't know we were just talking about your league here cause every single FF player knows that Finley is NOT a sleeper in any format except yours it seems. And anybody that knows FF, knows Hardesty was not drafted in the 2nd round to ride the pine. And every FF knows that Hillis faded down the stretch. So from your perspective, any name that gets thrown out there is not a sleeper if that person cannot compete against your FF team? correct? So what, exactly, is the point of this thread. Cause it sure the hell isn't a sleeper thread in the truest sense of the meaning. Basically, its a "who should I pick up on the WW for my FF team" thread. Wrong forum. Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazysight Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 Since you can regard someone like Andre Roberts in that offense a "real" sleeper, let me give you a similar sleeper: Labrandon Toefield. Real sleeper there, nobody expects him to do well. Go out and get him today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) so, uh... what exactly do you base this on? Gonzo still has it, still brings it and is a great fit for this team. And why would they break the bank for a top free agent TE after they gave up the house for Julio Jones? I would bet that TG is coming back, but it isnt like Atlanta was a hotbed of TE greatness BEFORE they traded for TG . . Heck, if Bo Scaife gets cut he would be a decent stopgap TE, they dont need to spend over the top for TE, not when they have free agent offensive lineman they need to re-sign. Atlanta has to get some serious consideration as a team going deep into the playoffs. Why in the world would Gonzo retire now? These. You could even argue that the Falcons bringing in JJ might have also been to appease Tony G. He did appear to have lost a step last year at times, but his woes probably had just as much to do with him getting frequently double-teamed. Considering he came to Atlanta to try to win a ring, there's no way he's hanging it up. He's still in great shape to be a fine 2nd/3rd option, assuming Julio lives up to the hype and can contribute right away to give him some help. Also, I keep hearing that the Falcons didn't address his heir-apparent at TE, but with drafting a potential top WR, I'd say that having an elite-ish TE becomes alot less of a priority. There are very few teams with 2 top WRs and elite TE surrounding an up-and-coming QB and good running game, and it's not really necessary to have that much fire-power. As long as Julio lives up to his potential, then you're replacing TG's production in time, and those WRs, Ryan and the running game should be able to make all of the other targets look better by opening things up for them. It's simply not necessary to find another Gonzalez-caliber TE (if that's even possible. You don't just replace a guy like him). I've not heard much about Palmer or Branson, but don't discount Kerry Meier either. If he remains a WR, then he probably won't have much value, but if he bulks up 15-20 pounds, he's another guy who appears capable to play TE. Not sure about his blocking (very important in Mularkey's offense), but he fits the bill as a pass-catcher. Edited July 15, 2011 by delusions of granduer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I sort of agree with this, but for another reason. If Boss leaves, I think the real sleeper here would be Travis Beckum. If Boss stays, I still think they use him more, but they could very well let Boss go in hopes of resigning Bradshaw. The Giants will need a TE to stretch the field and keep the safety from coming over the top on Nicks. Same with Brandon Marshall in Miami. Miami needs a TE that can stretch the field somewhat and keep the safety off of Marshall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazysight Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) Finley may go second among tight ends (although there are a lot of good second tier TEs out there which is what Finley is), no better provided that Gates is 100% headed into camp, and if so it will be an overrated second at that, provided that he's never truly proven himself in the league to be any better than the rest of the second tiers (and of course is returning from an injury that sidelined him for all but 4 games last year himself), Check his numbers, stats don't lie. And in a league that doesn't typically value the TE position because it isn't mandatory (which plenty of leagues are) that is a potentially overlooked player, if not "true" sleeper. Might he be a 1000 yard receiver for the first time in his career with a bunch of touchdowns in that offense? Absolutely, that's why I mentioned him in the first place, regardless of the silly "He's not a true sleeper" argument. He's never performed at that level before for an entire season, or come close to it for that matter, but he certainly has the POTENTIAL to. And who knows, in that offense he could post Gates like stats even for all I know, but unlike a guy like Gates who does it every single year Finley hasn't ever done it before. Edited July 15, 2011 by Crazysight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Since you can regard someone like Andre Roberts in that offense a "real" sleeper, let me give you a similar sleeper: Labrandon Toefield. Real sleeper there, nobody expects him to do well. Go out and get him today. I love having guys like you in my leagues. You give no credence to guys like LaGarrette Blount or David Nelson until well past the time that I've already signed them. Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Guess it makes a difference when you fail to put "one of" in the sentence. Thanks for chiming in though. Yep, proper English usage typically does make a difference... or methinks you don't know quite as much as you think you do, at least that's what Mr Franklin told me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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