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[bushwacked]

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Trying to get anti-union activist and Wisconsin governor, Scott Walker, out of office isn’t easy. The June 5 recall effort may not succeed. Why?

Certainly not because recall is unjustified. Rather, the outcome will be heavily influenced by shock troops from the right. The Rove team (also funded by the Koch brothers) are supporting Walker with millions, “carpeting” Wisconsin with TV ads. The Koch brothers alone have contributed at least $1 million.

The radical right, nationally, really wants Walker to stay in office. They are well aware that a successful recall could serve as a model for other centrist and Democratic challengers to radical Republican governors in states around the country. And so the money bags supporting the hard right are tossing money into an attempt to save Scott Walker.

A little more than a month away from recall, Governor Walker and his supporters should be worried. Wisconsin, a labor state and one of the most prosperous states during the recession, is now, thanks to Walker, in the tank economically.

[tosberg34]

bpwallace49, on 26 April 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

No . . .  no it isnt at all. But it reinforces your echo chamber of idiocy, so forge ahead!

The truth hurts, doesn't it?  You can go as fast as you want in your liberal circle jerk, but the truth is here to stay, komrade.

[tosberg34]

bushwacked, on 26 April 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

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Trying to get anti-union activist and Wisconsin governor, Scott Walker, out of office isn’t easy. The June 5 recall effort may not succeed. Why?

Certainly not because recall is unjustified. Rather, the outcome will be heavily influenced by shock troops from the right. The Rove team (also funded by the Koch brothers) are supporting Walker with millions, “carpeting” Wisconsin with TV ads. The Koch brothers alone have contributed at least $1 million.

The radical right, nationally, really wants Walker to stay in office. They are well aware that a successful recall could serve as a model for other centrist and Democratic challengers to radical Republican governors in states around the country. And so the money bags supporting the hard right are tossing money into an attempt to save Scott Walker.

A little more than a month away from recall, Governor Walker and his supporters should be worried. Wisconsin, a labor state and one of the most prosperous states during the recession, is now, thanks to Walker, in the tank economically.

Looks like the excuse making is starting early.

You guys need to coordinate better - from your boyfriend earlier in this thread:

bpwallace49, on 26 April 2012 - 10:24 AM, said:

The money comments are completely moot. Unions are getting money from outside Wi and Walker has been outwardly campaigning outside Wi for money from super PACs.

Both sides have money coming in from outside the stae, so it is silly to make it an issue for either party.

Edited by tosberg34, 26 April 2012 - 02:39 PM.

[gbpfan1231]

bpwallace49, on 26 April 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

first of all . . have you EVER seen me defend unions on this site? The answer again is NO. Boy you twins are tiresome on that subject. The "all about the kids" statement you use makes you use foolish. if you want to discuss issues, then lets do so. Otherwise you degenerate into your alter ego "tossberg". If you think that teachers are supposed to work for free in some kind of altrustic community service, then what world do you live in? teachers can get into a profession because they love what they do and want tyo help children, but that doesnt mean they should not be fairly compensated for it, or have their entire profession downgraded in pay after they committed to a career because previous politicians never followed through on their promises.

As far as jobs . . . YES they can be pinned on him! if the state has the worst record in the nation for jobs over his tenure, then he absolutely is responsible for that! In fact, he is contributing to that by axing jobs left and right. if he wants the credit, then he also gets the responsibility. He promised 250,000 growth in jobs, and is the only state to still be a net loss in jobs.

The mine was a couple hundred jobs. The state is down a net 23,000. The mine isnt the be all end all.

This comes back full circle. You are of the opinion that you cannot work with the opposition, when nothing is further from the truth. Walker held the upper hand, and instead of being magnaminous and reaching out to mitigate the public fallout, he pushed ahead with a "eff you" strategy that gave birth to the recall nonsense. If he had an ounce of common sense and mended bridges while STILL getting what he wanted, then he would have marginalized the opposition and possibly not gotten enough signatures for recall. His actions have HELPED the recall movement, which you and I agree is silly for both sides. he is fanning the flames instead of dousing them. Politics is the art of consensus, not senseless partisanship and flaunting power. A good example is that Walker broke the union and got every single financial concession. he then went even further, started flaunting power and did the yearly renewal and opt-in that doesnt save a penny, but helps him politically. That was unneccesary, but he did it anyway. Or to use your parlance "if it was all about saving money for the children (or taxpayers) then why did he do it? That wasnt about saving money!"

if he reached out publically and marginalized the opposition, then I dont think a recall would get enough traction. He made his own bed in this by being a dick, and now the clusterf*ck that is Wisconsin politics over the last few years chugs on. . . . .

Oh my god!!!  Here we go again - the classic BPWallace saying I said things that I never said.  Didn't I ask you a while back to show me where I said something and you mysteriously disappeared from that thread.

So show me where I said anything even close to saying that YOU defend unions?  There is nothing in my post you referenced that came anywhere near that - I mentioned things about unions but nothing that said anything about YOU defending them or not defending them - you constantly get on people for "trying to keep up" or poor reading comprehension - show me where I said it.

Here is another one - show me where I said that teachers should work for free - I said in this thread that I don't think they are overpaid or underpaid.  Show me where I said they should work for free?  

Teachers are fairly compensated and I think enough posts in different threads have shown this.

So because the state has the worst record for jobs in his tenure then it is all his fault - so then our deficit is all Obama's fault huh?  It is during his tenure right?  So anything that is bad during Obama's tenure is automatically his fault?  No it's not.  I admit he is not doing what he said on jobs but it can't ALL be pinned on him.

The mine - again where on earth did I say it was the be all end all?  Oh shocking I did not.   It was an example of the crap going on this state and it could have led to jobs and it was shot down.

I won't disagree much about your last paragraph but I think I will do my best to try and help him - I might even try to be a bit liberal about it and try to vote twice.

[bushwacked]

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Wisconsin lost nearly 24,000 jobs over the past 12 months - the only state in the union with "statistically significant" job losses over that period, according to a new federal government report. For a governor who promised thousands of new jobs would be created on his watch and who now faces an unprecedented electoral challenge, that had to be troubling news. It's certainly troubling for job seekers across the state.

Certainly, Gov. Scott Walker is responsible for politicizing job creation in Wisconsin - and then taking his eye off the ball as his fellow Republicans embarked on fulfilling a conservative wish list ranging from concealed carry to the castle doctrine to voter ID.

What a great gubner!  

[Ursa Majoris]

bushwacked, on 29 April 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

What a great gubner!  

One of the issues the anti-government fanatics have is that as they shrink government and jobs diminish, they still think unemployment should be coming down as fast as it would if those jobs were still there.  It's a fairly classic case of wanting your cake and eating it too.

[gbpfan1231]

bushwacked, on 29 April 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

What a great gubner!  

Do you and your other liberal girlfriends realize that nobody is questioning or praising Walker for jobs.  What is it about you guys that can't comprehend what other people are actually saying (still waiting for BP to actually come and show me where I said things that I clearly did not but not holding my breath on that one)?

You try too hard for your little gotcha moments.

Here it is for you -  Walker has sucked at job creation.  And guess what so has your buddy Obama but with Obama you can't criticize because of Bush - OK I understand now.

[tosberg34]

gbpfan1231, on 30 April 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

Do you and your other liberal girlfriends realize that nobody is questioning or praising Walker for jobs.  What is it about you guys that can't comprehend what other people are actually saying (still waiting for BP to actually come and show me where I said things that I clearly did not but not holding my breath on that one)?

You try too hard for your little gotcha moments.

Here it is for you -  Walker has sucked at job creation.  And guess what so has your buddy Obama but with Obama you can't criticize because of Bush - OK I understand now.

And the same people that jump on Walker about job creation don't realize he's in year 1 of a 4 year term.  

And these are the same people that want to give Obama more time even after four years of failure, but somehow Walker doesn't get the same pass.  By god, he didn't create 250K jobs the day after he got elected so we need to recall him (Walker)!

and these are the same people who don't understand the climate the left has created over the last year and a half is scaring everyone away.  Once we get passed this crying and whining from the left because they can't rape the taxpayers anymore, you'll start to see better numbers.

Edited by tosberg34, 02 May 2012 - 08:08 PM.

[tosberg34]

Ursa Majoris, on 29 April 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

One of the issues the anti-government fanatics have is that as they shrink government and jobs diminish, they still think unemployment should be coming down as fast as it would if those jobs were still there.  It's a fairly classic case of wanting your cake and eating it too.

Actually, it's a fairly classic case of you being wrong again, as usual.

[gbpfan1231]

tosberg34, on 02 May 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

And the same people that jump on Walker about job creation don't realize he's in year 1 of a 4 year term.  

And these are the same people that want to give Obama more time even after four years of failure, but somehow Walker doesn't get the same pass.  By god, he didn't create 250K jobs the day after he got elected so we need to recall him (Walker)!

and these are the same people who don't understand the climate the left has created over the last year and a half is scaring everyone away.  Once we get passed this crying and whining from the left because they can't rape the taxpayers anymore, you'll start to see better numbers.

Finally a post that is accurate.

[bushwacked]

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Specifically, Walker was asked about the news that over the year since his policies began to take hold, Wisconsin has been the only state in the nation to experience what the Bureau of Labor Statistics describes as “statistically significant” job losses. Noting the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel headline that declared, “State Job Losses Worst in US,” Gousha asked, “Wasn’t that headline in the state’s biggest newspaper last week, the one that screams ‘job losses,’ isn’t that as about as damaging as anything that can happen to you five weeks before an election?”

Walker responded by blaming last year’s protests against his assault on public employees, public-school teachers, public education and public services. “Those [job loss] numbers reflect early on last year when we saw all the things that were happening around our state Capitol. I think there’s no doubt anyone logically would look at that and say ‘of course that had an impact.’ ”

So, if it wasn't for the protestors, Wisconsin wouldn't have the worst job numbers in the nation.  

[gbpfan1231]

bushwacked, on 29 April 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

What a great gubner!  

I heard the job report that came out today was not very good.  Have you not heard this?  I must assume you did not or you would be out here calling for Obama to be recalled.

Where are you, BPWallace, Ursa and your other lefty buddies coming down on Obama for poor job creation?  Guess it is easy to be a hypocrite when you are a liberal.

[bushwacked]

I can't speak for Ursa and BP, but I'm willing to bet they have the wherewithal to realize there is a difference between 26 consecutive months of positive job growth and the only state in the union with "statistically significant" job losses over 12 months.  

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"....small business owners more than anything want certainty."  Walker stated.

And whose fault is that?   Scotty promised to crush the spirits of Wisconsin workers and instead he goaded them into fighting back.

Walker now attempts to pass blame on the good people of Wisconsin for being tougher than he thought.  The predictable right-wing "I'm not responsible, I'm the victim" schtick.

[gbpfan1231]

bushwacked, on 04 May 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

I can't speak for Ursa and BP, but I'm willing to bet they have the wherewithal to realize there is a difference between 26 consecutive months of positive job growth and the only state in the union with "statistically significant" job losses over 12 months.  




And whose fault is that?   Scotty promised to crush the spirits of Wisconsin workers and instead he goaded them into fighting back.

Walker now attempts to pass blame on the good people of Wisconsin for being tougher than he thought.  The predictable right-wing "I'm not responsible, I'm the victim" schtick.

you are nothing short of amazing - well I guess I will lump BPWallace in with you.  You guys keep bringing up the victim schtick.  you guys are constantly playing the victim - that si what liberals do.  "It's not fair that people make a lot of money"  "It's not fair that people pay less of an effective tax rate than a secretary"  "It's not fair that whiny ass teachers now have to chip in a small part for the retirement plan"  "It's not fair that class sizes might go up" they have not by the way.  "It's all about the kids oh my god the kids will suffer"

Here is what I say about this stuff  "I am am sick of spending a lot of wasted money"  "I do not enjoy getting raped by a union bought insurance company"  "I think it is fine for govt employees to kick in for health insurance and pension" "Crappy teachers should be guaranteed a job for life"  A  crap teacher should not get the same increase as a good teacher"  Prison guards should not be able to call in sick for first shift and get paid and then work second shift and get overtime"

Where is this victim schtick you and BPwallace keep throwing out? I guess if you consider being fiscally responsible and labeled a victim the same thing then I guess go for it but I don't really get where you are seeing this victim stuff.  Maybe you were taught reading comprehension by BP??

[bushwacked]

gbpfan1231, on 04 May 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

you are nothing short of amazing

I may be amazing.  Yet that has nothing to do; nor does the rest of your tangential hackneyed generalizations; with Walker shifting blame on protestors, dismissing responsibility as a supposed leader, and playing the victim card.

Help me put an appropriate caption to this pic:


http://wake-up-ameri...l-billboard.jpg

[gbpfan1231]

bushwacked, on 05 May 2012 - 03:32 AM, said:

I may be amazing.  Yet that has nothing to do; nor does the rest of your tangential hackneyed generalizations; with Walker shifting blame on protestors, dismissing responsibility as a supposed leader, and playing the victim card.

Help me put an appropriate caption to this pic:


http://wake-up-ameri...l-billboard.jpg

Again the hypocrite that is a liberal.

How is this for a caption "Give him his 4 years and if his promise does not happen then vote against"  seems simple to me.

Walker does not hit his promise even though he is no where near the end of his term and you crucify him but....

Obama promises unemployment rate to not go over 8% and you would rather blow him?

Reasons for giving Obama a pass blame it on Bush - this is not the victim schtick

Reasons for Walker blame protestors and this is the awful victim schtick.

Once again for the reading impaired (Bushy and BP) - Walker is failing on his job promise - where does it say that I am giving him a pass?  This is about the recall and recall should have nothing to do with jobs at this point.  I thought the recall was about the whiny govt employees getting kicked off the gravy train.

[TimC]

bushwacked, on 05 May 2012 - 03:32 AM, said:

Help me put an appropriate caption to this pic:


http://wake-up-ameri...l-billboard.jpg

"Wisconsin sure looks like a craphole place."

[gbpfan1231]

TimC, on 05 May 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

"Wisconsin sure looks like a craphole place."

Can't argue with that one

[bushwacked]

TimC, on 05 May 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

"Wisconsin sure looks like a craphole place."

It may be a craphole, there may be no jobs, and the governor may be whoring out the betterment of the state to outside contributors; but the City of Oshkosh has saved it's average taxpayer 0.0001 cents.  And there is at least one pastey cheeze head who happily bows down and kisses the gubners feet because of this.

[bpwallace49]

bushwacked, on 05 May 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

It may be a craphole, there may be no jobs, and the governor may be whoring out the betterment of the state to outside contributors; but the City of Oshkosh has saved it's average taxpayer 0.0001 cents.  And there is at least one pastey cheeze head who happily bows down and kisses the gubners feet because of this.

[gbpfan1231]

bpwallace49, on 05 May 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

The laugh icon from a guy who seems to try very hard to write posts that are funny and fails 99% of the time laughing at a post that is not really funny at all.

Yep sounds about right.

[gbpfan1231]

What a great Gubner......

http://www.jsonline....ort=newestfirst

[bushwacked]

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Walker is currently up on the air with a spot that shows footage of newscasts proclaming Milwaukee’s economy in dire straights — and blaming it on tax hikes. “Tom Barrett has failed in Milwaukee for eight years,” the ad says. “Don’t let him take Wisconsin backwards.” A recent ad from the Republican Governors Association made a similar point.

But in the first half of 2011, just after Walker took office, Milwaukee was adding jobs, along with the rest of the state — and the Walker administration rushed to take full credit for it.

“With four straight months of job growth in 2011, metro Milwaukee is reaping the economic benefits of Governor Walker’s successful efforts to improve Wisconsin’s business climate, and make job creation a top priority,” blared a Walker administration press release in May of 2011.

in other words, when Milwaukee was adding jobs early in Walker’s term, his policies deserved all the credit. When it began to lose jobs, it was the fault only of his opponent’s policies — even though the rest of the state lost jobs, too.

Personally responsibility is a key tea party value.  Until you personally decide not to be responsible anymore.  

[gbpfan1231]

bushwacked, on 09 May 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

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Personally responsibility is a key tea party value.  Until you personally decide not to be responsible anymore.  

Again - you will not get an argument from me that Walker is NOT following through on his jobs promise - Nobody is saying he is so I am not sure why you keep barking up that tree trying for that gotcha moment???

[tosberg34]

gbpfan1231, on 09 May 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

Again - you will not get an argument from me that Walker is NOT following through on his jobs promise - Nobody is saying he is so I am not sure why you keep barking up that tree trying for that gotcha moment???

Tough to follow thru when the left has had the entire business community in panic mode for the last year and a half with their childish antics.  They've created an unstable environment and then want to blame Walker for not creating 250K jobs after only that same year and a half.

But let's give Obama 4 MORE years because his last 4 wasn't enough time.