bpwallace49, on 26 April 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:
first of all . . have you EVER seen me defend unions on this site? The answer again is NO. Boy you twins are tiresome on that subject. The "all about the kids" statement you use makes you use foolish. if you want to discuss issues, then lets do so. Otherwise you degenerate into your alter ego "tossberg". If you think that teachers are supposed to work for free in some kind of altrustic community service, then what world do you live in? teachers can get into a profession because they love what they do and want tyo help children, but that doesnt mean they should not be fairly compensated for it, or have their entire profession downgraded in pay after they committed to a career because previous politicians never followed through on their promises.
As far as jobs . . . YES they can be pinned on him! if the state has the worst record in the nation for jobs over his tenure, then he absolutely is responsible for that! In fact, he is contributing to that by axing jobs left and right. if he wants the credit, then he also gets the responsibility. He promised 250,000 growth in jobs, and is the only state to still be a net loss in jobs.
The mine was a couple hundred jobs. The state is down a net 23,000. The mine isnt the be all end all.
This comes back full circle. You are of the opinion that you cannot work with the opposition, when nothing is further from the truth. Walker held the upper hand, and instead of being magnaminous and reaching out to mitigate the public fallout, he pushed ahead with a "eff you" strategy that gave birth to the recall nonsense. If he had an ounce of common sense and mended bridges while STILL getting what he wanted, then he would have marginalized the opposition and possibly not gotten enough signatures for recall. His actions have HELPED the recall movement, which you and I agree is silly for both sides. he is fanning the flames instead of dousing them. Politics is the art of consensus, not senseless partisanship and flaunting power. A good example is that Walker broke the union and got every single financial concession. he then went even further, started flaunting power and did the yearly renewal and opt-in that doesnt save a penny, but helps him politically. That was unneccesary, but he did it anyway. Or to use your parlance "if it was all about saving money for the children (or taxpayers) then why did he do it? That wasnt about saving money!"
if he reached out publically and marginalized the opposition, then I dont think a recall would get enough traction. He made his own bed in this by being a dick, and now the clusterf*ck that is Wisconsin politics over the last few years chugs on. . . . .
Oh my god!!! Here we go again - the classic BPWallace saying I said things that I never said. Didn't I ask you a while back to show me where I said something and you mysteriously disappeared from that thread.
So show me where I said anything even close to saying that YOU defend unions? There is nothing in my post you referenced that came anywhere near that - I mentioned things about unions but nothing that said anything about YOU defending them or not defending them - you constantly get on people for "trying to keep up" or poor reading comprehension - show me where I said it.
Here is another one - show me where I said that teachers should work for free - I said in this thread that I don't think they are overpaid or underpaid. Show me where I said they should work for free?
Teachers are fairly compensated and I think enough posts in different threads have shown this.
So because the state has the worst record for jobs in his tenure then it is all his fault - so then our deficit is all Obama's fault huh? It is during his tenure right? So anything that is bad during Obama's tenure is automatically his fault? No it's not. I admit he is not doing what he said on jobs but it can't ALL be pinned on him.
The mine - again where on earth did I say it was the be all end all? Oh shocking I did not. It was an example of the crap going on this state and it could have led to jobs and it was shot down.
I won't disagree much about your last paragraph but I think I will do my best to try and help him - I might even try to be a bit liberal about it and try to vote twice.