C-3PO Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Help BEND my love off this BANDwagon! OK, I am starting to hit man crush levels on Josh Freeman. I need someone to help talk me down. I like all the QBs down to Romo better than Freeman, but then I have him right after Romo. I don't like Shaub, Roethlisberger, or Ryan. I only have eyes for Freeman. In my league you get 1 pt for every 10 rushing versus 1 pt for every 20 passing. Plus, rushing TD are worth 6 while passing TDs are worth 6. Freeman's ability to run makes him an even better bet to breakout in 2011. I really like his weapons and the way he carries himself. His low INT totals are amazing too. I know with sleeper articles out there about Freeman that others will be stalking him too. http://www.footballdocs.com/fantasy_football_sleepers.html I am just afraid that I won't have the patience to wait on him. Drafts are all about getting value when it falls to you. I need to think of other options and not be so in love with Freeman. Someone talk to me about the evils of Freeman, so I can let the draft flow and not force things. Edited August 17, 2011 by C-3PO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Bendwagon is either a very creative play on words or one of the funniest misspellings I've ever seen. I mean, it really is man love with Freeman for you, eh? For what it's worth, a QB throwing 25 TDs to 6 INTs in his first year starting is pretty spectacular, and I think he has a decent ceiling, especially if Arrelious Benn proves to be healthy and contributes to the offense. Plenty of reason to like Freeman for where you can snag him in drafts. He's one of my favorite backup QB options. But if you want to be talked down from the ledge, I give you Stafford, Bradford, and Kolb. These are all guys that have upside as backup QBs. You should feel pretty good about ending up with any of them as your backup. Or pair two of them and play the carousel. Edited August 17, 2011 by MTSuper7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Bendwagon is either a very creative play on words or one of the funniest misspellings I've ever seen. I mean, it really is man love with Freeman for you, eh? For what it's worth, a rookie QB throwing 25 TDs to 6 INTs is pretty spectacular, and I think he has a decent ceiling, especially if Arrelious Benn proves to be healthy and contributes to the offense. Plenty of reason to like Freeman for where you can snag him in drafts. He's one of my favorite backup QB options. But if you want to be talked down from the ledge, I give you Stafford, Bradford, and Kolb. These are all guys that have upside as backup QBs. You should feel pretty good about ending up with any of them as your backup. Or pair two of them and play the carousel. I wouldn't mind having Stafford, Bradford and Freeman on my roster and playing matchups unless one shows he is a legit starter for me....likely Stafford or Freeman... I have Freeman ranked the highest btw.....and Kolb has Heap and Fitz to help him stay productive and he plays in the NFC West which helps as well...but I expect 3200 yds, 22 TD and 15 INT's in year one as a Cardinal.... and that might be optimistic...I have Freeman around 3600 yds, 27 TD's and 10 INT's...the other two...umm I'm too lazy to project... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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flemingd Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Someone talk to me about the evils of Freeman, so I can let the draft flow and not force things. His #2 WR is broken, his TE is toast, his RB is a horrible pass catcher, his head coach won't let him throw it a Manning-like 550+ times a season. He's solid, and I love his #1 WR, but the system and weapons will keep him from elite at least one more season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 You're just an odd man.... And I mean that with the best intensions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delfamdelfam Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Bendwagon is either a very creative play on words or one of the funniest misspellings I've ever seen. I mean, it really is man love with Freeman for you, eh? For what it's worth, a rookie QB throwing 25 TDs to 6 INTs is pretty spectacular, and I think he has a decent ceiling, especially if Arrelious Benn proves to be healthy and contributes to the offense. Plenty of reason to like Freeman for where you can snag him in drafts. He's one of my favorite backup QB options. But if you want to be talked down from the ledge, I give you Stafford, Bradford, and Kolb. These are all guys that have upside as backup QBs. You should feel pretty good about ending up with any of them as your backup. Or pair two of them and play the carousel. He wasn't a rookie QB last year, it was his second year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 He wasn't a rookie QB last year, it was his second year +1 The year before it was a battle for the starting gig between Freeman and Johnson. Actually, Johnson came close to winning the job. Freeman's performance last year was brilliant. He didn't have the best of supporting cast but did AWESOME with what he had. Does that carry over, or does his sophmore year (as a starter mind you) net better results or do we see a Matt Ryan sophmore year? I'd go for this QB is going to be HOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) I have him rostered in two dynasty leagues and am looking at him moving into the elite slots vacated in the near future by Brady and Manning. TB is building a powerhouse down there. Freeman has two potentially studly young WRs and a very good to great running game to support him. The D is doing nothing but getting better. TB is building through the draft much like PIT and GB do, and they are on the cusp of something big. They aren't allowing an overpriced limited vet like Ruud hold them hostage but instead draft his immediate replacement in Foster. Their D-line could be gangbusters with the rookie bookends. They've got the recipe for long term success down. Freeman's possibilities are a very real potential to join the elite QBs - and it could happen this year. I think he may be one year away yet, but I think it will happen and this may be it. Edited August 17, 2011 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) +1 The year before it was a battle for the starting gig between Freeman and Johnson. Actually, Johnson came close to winning the job. Freeman's performance last year was brilliant. He didn't have the best of supporting cast but did AWESOME with what he had. Does that carry over, or does his sophmore year (as a starter mind you) net better results or do we see a Matt Ryan sophmore year? I'd go for this QB is going to be HOT. the more I think about it....I say Freeman will take a step back....in TD's with more INT's... maybe 21-22 TD's with 12 INT's....it just feels right to say this because very rarely do QB's come out hot their 1st year starting and maintain that level or improve it the following year... Edited August 17, 2011 by Avernus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 the more I think about it....I say Freeman will take a step back....in TD's with more INT's... maybe 21-22 TD's with 12 INT's....it just feels right to say this because very rarely do QB's come out hot their 1st year starting and maintain that level or improve it the following year... I think the supporting cast makes all the difference in Freeman's case. They could legitimately challenge for the NFC South title, and tht's saying a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I think the supporting cast makes all the difference in Freeman's case. They could legitimately challenge for the NFC South title, and tht's saying a lot. I agree...but now that teams have a full year of film on Freeman, I'd like to see what adjustments are made and how he handles it - this is why QB's take a step back in their 2nd year starting.... I see a slight step back this year with a better record and better team overall and then a major step forward in 2012.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) He wasn't a rookie QB last year, it was his second year Whoops... I was thinking about it being his first year as a starter when I wrote that. My bad. Edited August 17, 2011 by MTSuper7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 food for thought........... just checked some game logs from last year:freeman: 7 games with mult tds 7 games under 200 yds 5 games with over 250 yds ben: 2 games under 200 yds 5 mult td games 8 games over 250 3 300 yd games schaub: 8 mult td games 4 games under 200 10 games over 250 7 300 yd games romo (distorted due to short season...i am counting 5 games): 0 games under 200 4 games over 250 2 games over 300 3 mult td games 8 ints in 5 games though part 2....... cutler: 6 games under 200 4 over 250 1 over 300 7 mult td games 16 int's didn't see number of fumbles lost bradford: 7 under 200 5 over 250 1 300 yd game 6 mult td games 15 ints stafford (3 games played) 1 under 200 none over 250 2 mult td games only 1 int ryan: 4 games under 200 6 over 250 1 300 yd game 9 mult td games 9 ints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lippy225 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 It depends where you draft whether or not you jump on players you like. Last year I drafted 11th and ended up taking A. Foster with the 34th pick. It was well above his ADP but I knew he probably wouldn't have made it back to me at pick 59 so I jumped his ADP to get him because I fell in love with him in the preseason and had to have him. It worked out well for me even though some in my league didnt like the pick at the time. I usually go into the draft with a few that I really want to have, but if you are not drafting a top tier QB, don't be afraid to take a chance on him and go a little earlierif you have to have him. I think he will be pretty soild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-3PO Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 OK, good stuff here. I am actually thinking about him as my #1 QB on a QB freefall of sorts. The thing specific to my league is that his rushing yards give him a nice boost that his passing stats might miss. We get twice as many points rushing as we do passing. Thus, Freeman's 364 yards rushing is like another 728 yards passing. That would make his passing totals for the year just over 4000 yards. He had zero rushing TDs last year. I kind of think 0 was a fluke. I think he will score a couple this year on the ground. He is too physical and too good of a runner. That will help make up for his INTs going up this year. I think everyone has to expect his INTs to go up in 2011. Bier Meister - good stuff to chew on there. I will be reading it again if I miss out on Freeman (or get sucked into taking Romo earlier in the draft). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 the more I think about it....I say Freeman will take a step back....in TD's with more INT's... maybe 21-22 TD's with 12 INT's....it just feels right to say this because very rarely do QB's come out hot their 1st year starting and maintain that level or improve it the following year... This. I LOVE Freeman for the long-run but he mos def takes a step back this year. That's a given. I'm thinking about the same, 24/12 (TD/INT). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelman Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I like Freeman only as a QB2. I am unimpressed by the TD/INT ratio because I know it won't happen again... not even the best QBS can maintain that season to season. The only upside to Freeman this season is an increase in rushing touchdowns. Which... I guess if he could maintain his passing stats... would push him over a few of those mid round QBs... but not for the reasons stated above.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 You're just an odd man.... And I mean that with the best intensions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 This. I LOVE Freeman for the long-run but he mos def takes a step back this year. That's a given. I'm thinking about the same, 24/12 (TD/INT). that sounds about right. he appears to have all the intangible - don't know if that will translate into him being an elite fantasy qb. i can see stats along the lines of big ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-3PO Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 that sounds about right. he appears to have all the intangible - don't know if that will translate into him being an elite fantasy qb. i can see stats along the lines of big ben I agree about Big Ben. I could live with him or Freeman. Unfortunately, I have this man crush on Freeman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-3PO Posted August 20, 2011 Author Share Posted August 20, 2011 After watching Big Ben and Freeman on Thursday night, I feel a little less comfortable with Freeman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 After watching Big Ben and Freeman on Thursday night, I feel a little less comfortable with Freeman. it's still pre-season...I mean look at what Vick did and you would assume that if it was a real game, he would have run more...but why run in the pre-season if you're a QB?....2003 wasn't that long ago for Vick.....and Freeman will be fine as well, just not as productive as he was last year but probably better as a QB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 After watching Big Ben and Freeman on Thursday night, I feel a little less comfortable with Freeman. Don't fall into the trap of paying too much attention to pre-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 (edited) I like Freeman only as a QB2. I am unimpressed by the TD/INT ratio because I know it won't happen again... not even the best QBS can maintain that season to season. Suppose he doubles his INT/ATT ratio - that would put him at about #11 in the NFL (instead of #2 behind only Brady like he was last year - min. 150 attempts). What would you say about Freeman if he threw for 25 TDs and 10 INTs instead of 25/5 like he had last year? He was only #16 in pass attempts - so IMO given where he is on his learning curve and what he's shown so far, his opportunities (and hence his overall numbers) have a much better chance to rise than for his performance to fall significantly. If Freeman's attempts went up 10%, he'd would have still only been #10 in the league last season. See what happens when his INTs go to 10 and then all his other numbers go up by approximately 7% to 10%. His ypa was #16 in the league - he ought to be able to maintain or improve on that a bit. Edited August 20, 2011 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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