dfv87 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Ndamukong Suh - DT - Detroit Lions Posted 8/17/11 1:11pm et Detroit Lions DT Ndamukong Suh has been fined $20,000 for a hit on Cincinnati Bengals QB Andy Dalton in the first preseason game. Suh drew a personal foul which helped the Bengals sustain a drive and go kick a field goal. Huddle Up: The ball was out of Dalton's hand and Suh twisted his head around, popping the helmet off in the process. Lions HC Jim Schwartz told reporters yesterday that he has met with Suh and discussed using caution, but Tom Kowalksi of Mlive.com adds: "Schwartz wore a devilish grin while he spoke. Why? Because the Lions have been getting pushed around for years and they've been the laughing stock of the league and now they're not playing anybody's patsy anymore." Indeed. Suh is a bloodthirsty hunter who can fire up an entire defense. While I agree that Suh is changing the way teams look at the motor city kitties, that kind of "analysis" leads down a slippery slope toward getting players known as "dirty" not just aggressive. Suh already has had a handful of borderline extra hits/twists etc. Football today already has so much size and speed that those extra shots are "bush" IMO. And I like Suh, and think he is going to be a beast for a long time but this extra crap is just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Spin it whatever way they want, the guy is dirty. When an aggressive player continues to make a dirty play three times in two pre seasons and one regular season, he's no longer just aggressive, he's dirty. And if his jackass coach wants to make a mockery of it, hopefully he gets fined with Suh getting suspended the next time in happens. He's going to kill someone eventually. No excuses. This is way worse than Harrison killing Massaqoui. If Suh isn't dirty, neither is J Harrison, nor was Rodney Harrison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 It's a good thing they went out and got a good clean player like Fairley on the other side.... Oh wait... You might as well start calling those guys "Matthew Stafford's Revenge" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Suh wants opposing teams and QBs to fear him. The 20k was a small price for further notoriety toward that end. I'm not sure if he is purely a dirty player, or if he is just setting the parameters for his career, but either way he is getting his point across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsmayes Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Spin it whatever way they want, the guy is dirty. When an aggressive player continues to make a dirty play three times in two pre seasons and one regular season, he's no longer just aggressive, he's dirty. And if his jackass coach wants to make a mockery of it, hopefully he gets fined with Suh getting suspended the next time in happens. He's going to kill someone eventually. No excuses. This is way worse than Harrison killing Massaqoui. If Suh isn't dirty, neither is J Harrison, nor was Rodney Harrison. wow, are Packer fans feeling threatened by the Lions already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Testing positive for roids in 3.... 2.... 1.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 He's going to kill someone eventually. No excuses. This is way worse than Harrison killing Massaqoui. If Suh isn't dirty, neither is J Harrison, nor was Rodney Harrison. Dude, what are you smoking? If you want to call Suh dirty, fine. But he doesn't launch himself headfirst into anybody's grille or initiate high impact collisions that could really f*ck a guy up. Nobody ever got killed being fwown wery wery hard to the grownd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budweiser Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 i'm a Nebraska fan . Suh is borderline dirty and is getting caught because he's nasty all the way through the play and even after the play. he can't absorb many more fines before he's suspended. he's got to tone it down and quit the crap after the whistle, period Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 This one will end up being self policing. If Suh insists on being overly enthusiastic while tackling QBs, you'll eventually see an OL decide that a 15 yd penalty is worth protecting his QB from late Suh hits and take his knees out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 This one will end up being self policing. If Suh insists on being overly enthusiastic while tackling QBs, you'll eventually see an OL decide that a 15 yd penalty is worth protecting his QB from late Suh hits and take his knees out. You can't win. If you strike him down, he shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 wow, are Packer fans feeling threatened by the Lions already? No, not at all. He's dirty. I like Stafford a lot. Watched him play in HS. I hope he does well. Suh is still a dirty player. Dude, what are you smoking? If you want to call Suh dirty, fine. But he doesn't launch himself headfirst into anybody's grille or initiate high impact collisions that could really f*ck a guy up. No, he doesn't launch himself, he just grabs a QB's helmet and jerks the guys neck in an odd direction. Yes, you can break someone's neck with that move. If that move isn't dirty, nothing is. And he doesn't even see how he's wrong. He's scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 No, he doesn't launch himself, he just grabs a QB's helmet and jerks the guys neck in an odd direction. Yes, you can break someone's neck with that move. No he didn't. Did you even watch the play? He grabbed Dalton up high, there is collision with another Lions player engaged with a Bengal and the helmet pops off before there is any twisting of any sort. Suh twists Dalton down by grabbing his shoulders. Dalton's neck is never jerked or twisted in an "odd" direction. To suggest that the play was more dangerous than Harrison's hit on Massaqoui ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 No he didn't. Did you even watch the play? He grabbed Dalton up high, there is collision with another Lions player engaged with a Bengal and the helmet pops off before there is any twisting of any sort. Suh twists Dalton down by grabbing his shoulders. Dalton's neck is never jerked or twisted in an "odd" direction. To suggest that the play was more dangerous than Harrison's hit on Massaqoui ridiculous. Are you kidding? Suh first makes contact with Dalton's facemask. You can protect your guy all you want. But it's no different than Charger/Pats fan defending Rodney Harrison or Steelers defending the other Harrison. Dirty is dirty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Are you kidding? Suh first makes contact with Dalton's facemask. You can protect your guy all you want. But it's no different than Charger/Pats fan defending Rodney Harrison or Steelers defending the other Harrison. Dirty is dirty. I'm not protecting anyone. Slamming a player into the turf is impermissible. He should have been penalized and fined. I'm commenting on your overreaction to the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Edited August 17, 2011 by rajncajn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelman Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 why is there this Gray area between TWO HAND TOUCH and TACKLE football? Watching that play over... in particular when SUH had DALTON in a bear hug... Reminds exactly of what we do in my rugby practices on easy days... we wrap up and stop the play. So if you don't let him tackle the QB... yes I'm saying it's just as lame as an adult league rugby practice off day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelman Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I just watched the video replay in slow motion... SUH has his Right hand on the Back of the Right shoulder Pad and his Left arm wrapped around to the Front Right Chest pad. The helmet clearly pops off from the collision with the other linemen or from pretty boy QB not strapping the helmet on properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkirc Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 This hit doesn't warrant all this hate on Suh. If this was the first incident, there wouldn't be any fine. This fine is a warning to Suh to stop tackling QBs heads. To compare this hit to Harrison's hit is borderline crazy. I don't like the way Suh tackles QBs so high, but I sure do like the way he gets to the QB. I guess we all have different views on football, but this is just a football player getting a little too aggressive. There was no intent to injure. The hit last year was much worse. This little love tap doesn't compare..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Suh wants opposing teams and QBs to fear him. The 20k was a small price for further notoriety toward that end. I'm not sure if he is purely a dirty player, or if he is just setting the parameters for his career, but either way he is getting his point across. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 This hit doesn't warrant all this hate on Suh. If this was the first incident, there wouldn't be any fine. This fine is a warning to Suh to stop tackling QBs heads. To compare this hit to Harrison's hit is borderline crazy. I don't like the way Suh tackles QBs so high, but I sure do like the way he gets to the QB. I guess we all have different views on football, but this is just a football player getting a little too aggressive. There was no intent to injure. The hit last year was much worse. This little love tap doesn't compare..... How many "borderline" hits does he have to take before its a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelman Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) How many "borderline" hits does he have to take before its a problem Where exactly is the problem? Is it Suh wanting to tackle him to the ground instead of giving him a 300 lb. hug and stopping play? Is the the Offensive line failing to keep Suh away from the QB? Is it the QB feeling so protected by the league's additional rules... that he could just stay in the pocket and take his sweet time? Maybe the O-line should do a better job... or maybe the QB should actually be afraid of getting tackled and learn to MOVE away...or MOVE around in the pocket... or make up his mind and throw the ball sooner. EDIT: like...."HELLOOOOOO" Doesn't the QB know there are 3 to 4 MASSIVE men a few feet away from him that are trying to rip his head off? It's all part of the sport... I am against those rules and penalties for "violent" hits like SUH's. Helmet to helmet and hits on defenseless players in the air are a different story. Edited August 17, 2011 by michaelman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 This hit doesn't warrant all this hate on Suh. If this was the first incident, there wouldn't be any fine. This fine is a warning to Suh to stop tackling QBs heads. To compare this hit to Harrison's hit is borderline crazy. I don't like the way Suh tackles QBs so high, but I sure do like the way he gets to the QB. I guess we all have different views on football, but this is just a football player getting a little too aggressive. There was no intent to injure. The hit last year was much worse. This little love tap doesn't compare..... I might find myself in agreement with you were it not for the fact that Suh came in with his view unobstructed. The ball was thrown, and there is no way, short of blindness, he did not see that the ball was out. He then repositioned his feet and weight and body slammed the Q.B. after the play had moved on. This was a dirty play. It is not his first dirty play. (I don't include last year's hit on Cutler which was a great play, as I saw it.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I'm not protecting anyone. Slamming a player into the turf is impermissible. He should have been penalized and fined. I'm commenting on your overreaction to the play. It's not an overreaction. It's a dirty play. And he's committed the same dirty play multiple times. How many times does he get to keep on making the same dirty play until he's no longer just being aggressive? And let's be honest, if it wasn't a dirty play, why is he paying 20k? The league has no ax to grind with Suh, and want to promote him. He's not in the Harrison level yet, but he's well on his way before his second season starts. Another thing he's going to end up doing is putting a bullseye on his teammates. Let's say he takes a shot at Josh Freeman week 1. You better believe the front seven for the Bucs would take shots at Best/Stafford or even Calvin Johnson. It's poor football IQ, it's nothing more than a cheap shot. Accept it and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 People were on this guy's side last year when he hit Cutler. Now people are against him. I think the play against Dalton was unnecessary, he did more than necessary and he could have stopped himself. With Rodgers and Cutler in his division, it'll be interesting to see how "aggressive" this guy gets. Loved him in college but the more I watch him, the guy is relentless. If the NFL wants to police the game and add all these rules/penalties protecting the QB, well, this guy needs to be focused on without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Where exactly is the problem? Is it Suh wanting to tackle him to the ground instead of giving him a 300 lb. hug and stopping play? Is the the Offensive line failing to keep Suh away from the QB? Is it the QB feeling so protected by the league's additional rules... that he could just stay in the pocket and take his sweet time? Maybe the O-line should do a better job... or maybe the QB should actually be afraid of getting tackled and learn to MOVE away...or MOVE around in the pocket... or make up his mind and throw the ball sooner. EDIT: like...."HELLOOOOOO" Doesn't the QB know there are 3 to 4 MASSIVE men a few feet away from him that are trying to rip his head off? It's all part of the sport... I am against those rules and penalties for "violent" hits like SUH's. Helmet to helmet and hits on defenseless players in the air are a different story. That's nice and all and I mostly agree but that's not today's NFL. These hits will get fines and suspensions. Deal with it. You can defend the hits blah blah blah but it won't change anything on the field and in the league office. I wish there was still fighting on hockey but its gone. I got over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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