delfamdelfam Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 all these players have some risk in one way or another, just wondering based on there ADP if you would consider drafting these guys. Obviously if they fall far enough the risk is less but at there projected ADP's(12 team) who's taking a chance on these high risk/med-high reward players. Shonn Greene(4.02) Felix Jones(4.04) M. Colston(5.01) Ryan Mathews(5.02) Mark Ingram(5.04) Austin Collie(6.02) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Colston is a steal at 5.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 You'd have to tell me lots of things before I could even begin to answer that question 1) League scoring? 2) League size? 3) The other players you've already drafted? 4) The players that are already off the board? 5) The players you anticipate won't be available the next time you draft? Drafting is very dynamic in nature ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
circuit of leagues Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 I love felix jones there because he is now the primary back on a winning team with a dynamic offense. plus he catches the ball so if your in a ppr league he will be good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delfamdelfam Posted August 21, 2011 Author Share Posted August 21, 2011 You'd have to tell me lots of things before I could even begin to answer that question 1) League scoring? 2) League size? 3) The other players you've already drafted? 4) The players that are already off the board? 5) The players you anticipate won't be available the next time you draft? Drafting is very dynamic in nature ... just in general, not specific to any league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSUBigCajun Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 (edited) I think SHONNE GREEN at ( 4.02 ) will be a solid draft for RBs. He's in a system that could allow him to produce Top 12 numbers. ( which would qualify him as RB1 ). He currently coming of the board as the 18-20th RB. That would be solid production from the 4th Round as a RB2 ... ( I am assuming Standard Scoring .... 4 pts for Passing TD ... 6 pts for Rush/ Rec TD ... No PPR ... 1 pt. per 10 rushing / receiving ) Edited August 21, 2011 by LSUBigCajun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 (edited) all these players have some risk in one way or another, just wondering based on there ADP if you would consider drafting these guys. Obviously if they fall far enough the risk is less but at there projected ADP's(12 team) who's taking a chance on these high risk/med-high reward players. Shonn Greene(4.02) Felix Jones(4.04) M. Colston(5.01) Ryan Mathews(5.02) Mark Ingram(5.04) Austin Collie(6.02) How are Greene and Ingram high risk? They are both RB1s with very good teams who ought to see plenty of touches. Very different players, but along with Blount at an ADP of 4.01 ought to be making FFers hold off on at least their RB2 and maybe even their RB1 until past the 3rd round. All 3 guys mentioned in the paragraph are tailor made for what their teams want to do on O, and all 3 are simply falling too far. Not crazy about Jones - DAL loves to throw the ball and has the weapons to want to take advantage. That should diminish Jones' opportunities in the passing game as well as his number of carries. DAL seems to love a RBBC. I think Jones is your classic week-to-week feast or famine player. He'll win one week for you outright and than disappear for a couple of weeks while your team struggles. I am no Mathews fan whatsoever. He showed us nothing except in the last game against an incredibly weak DEN D who had literally quit by then. Tolbert's going to get a lot of touches (who I think is a much better value) and Todman is a wild card to potentially take even more. Mathews would have to drop a full round and a half before I considered him. I see him more as a solid RB3 than a dependable RB2. Colston's injury issues are well documented. He's a good risk for a WR2 since he's Brees' WR1, but you'd better have a strong stomach and a backup plan. Collie? He's one hit to the head away from ending his career. He put up some eye-popping numbers when healthy, but if you need a strong stomach to roster Colston in the 5th, you'll need a stainless steel one to make Collie your WR2. Both he & Colston could easily be on a lot of championship rosters if they stay healthy, and could be on the rosters of a lot of also-rans if their injury problems pop up. You like to swing for the fences, get either one at this price. If you are risk averse, these are two of the wrong guys for you. Edited August 21, 2011 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 I think Green, Colston and Ingram are very solid picks at those spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonsoxandy Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 How are Greene and Ingram high risk? Greene is high risk because last year he was being showed off as a 2nd-round pick and was drafted as a top-10 RB. He finished as the 37th RB and didn't miss any games due to injuries. LT is still there and I think LT will be decent for the first half and really cut into Greene's value significantly. Ingram is high risk because he is a rookie in a lockout year on a team that loves to pass and is very very very good at it. He isn't known for being a pass-catching back (they have Sproles for that) and they still have Frenchy hanging around who is a team vet. Don't fall for the same mistake twice (ryan mathews last year). I like both of them but not as a piece of my team's core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Don't fall for the same mistake twice (ryan mathews last year). Ingram ain't Mathews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonsoxandy Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Ingram ain't Mathews. Mathews was a 3rd-rounder last year and Ingram is a 5th-rounder this year and rising fast (probably will end up as a 4th-rounder). Mathews was deemed to be in a fantastic situation last year, Ingram is deemed to be in a fantastic situation this year. Mathews was a rookie last year, Ingram is a rookie this year. Do you not see the similarities? Sure you can argue Ingram is more talented than Mathews but Ingram is also in a lockout season. Also no one is even thinking about injuries...for what it's worth Ingram did have arthroscopic knee surgery, albeit a minor surgery but still it's arthroscopic knee surgery, at the beginning of last year's CF season. Go ahead and take a rookie in the 4th/5th round and keep telling yourself it's not like last year at all this time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themiraclejones Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 How are Greene and Ingram high risk? They are both RB1s with very good teams who ought to see plenty of touches. Very different players, but along with Blount at an ADP of 4.01 ought to be making FFers hold off on at least their RB2 and maybe even their RB1 until past the 3rd round. All 3 guys mentioned in the paragraph are tailor made for what their teams want to do on O, and all 3 are simply falling too far. Not crazy about Jones - DAL loves to throw the ball and has the weapons to want to take advantage. That should diminish Jones' opportunities in the passing game as well as his number of carries. DAL seems to love a RBBC. I think Jones is your classic week-to-week feast or famine player. He'll win one week for you outright and than disappear for a couple of weeks while your team struggles. I am no Mathews fan whatsoever. He showed us nothing except in the last game against an incredibly weak DEN D who had literally quit by then. Tolbert's going to get a lot of touches (who I think is a much better value) and Todman is a wild card to potentially take even more. Mathews would have to drop a full round and a half before I considered him. I see him more as a solid RB3 than a dependable RB2. Colston's injury issues are well documented. He's a good risk for a WR2 since he's Brees' WR1, but you'd better have a strong stomach and a backup plan. Collie? He's one hit to the head away from ending his career. He put up some eye-popping numbers when healthy, but if you need a strong stomach to roster Colston in the 5th, you'll need a stainless steel one to make Collie your WR2. Both he & Colston could easily be on a lot of championship rosters if they stay healthy, and could be on the rosters of a lot of also-rans if their injury problems pop up. You like to swing for the fences, get either one at this price. If you are risk averse, these are two of the wrong guys for you. all due respect but in most leagues if you hold off on your RB1 until the 3rd round your not going to win. Point blank, thats just not very good odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 all these players have some risk in one way or another, just wondering based on there ADP if you would consider drafting these guys. Obviously if they fall far enough the risk is less but at there projected ADP's(12 team) who's taking a chance on these high risk/med-high reward players. Shonn Greene(4.02) Felix Jones(4.04) M. Colston(5.01) Ryan Mathews(5.02) Mark Ingram(5.04) Austin Collie(6.02) you will not see Colston or Ingram in the 5th, Mathews I wouldn't touch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 all due respect but in most leagues if you hold off on your RB1 until the 3rd round your not going to win. Point blank, thats just not very good odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Mathews was a 3rd-rounder last year and Ingram is a 5th-rounder this year and rising fast (probably will end up as a 4th-rounder). Mathews was deemed to be in a fantastic situation last year, Ingram is deemed to be in a fantastic situation this year. Mathews was a rookie last year, Ingram is a rookie this year. Do you not see the similarities? Sure you can argue Ingram is more talented than Mathews but Ingram is also in a lockout season. Also no one is even thinking about injuries...for what it's worth Ingram did have arthroscopic knee surgery, albeit a minor surgery but still it's arthroscopic knee surgery, at the beginning of last year's CF season. Go ahead and take a rookie in the 4th/5th round and keep telling yourself it's not like last year at all this time Yeah, and they both wear helmets to work. OMG! Ingram will suck then! Ingram ain't Mathews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 all due respect but in most leagues if you hold off on your RB1 until the 3rd round your not going to win. Point blank, thats just not very good odds. Care to support that with a little documentation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Yeah, and they both wear helmets to work. OMG! Ingram will suck then! Ingram ain't Mathews. there is already a 9 page thread on this subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 there is already a 9 page thread on this subject. Thanks. We'd better never post another Ingram thread then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAYER Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Thanks. We'd better never post another Ingram thread then. True best if everone forgets him. nothing but an over rated rook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddahj Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 (edited) Just one more post. I just got Ingram in my local @ 8.04. 12 team & start 2 RBs Edited August 21, 2011 by buddahj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 I wouldn't take F. Jones 4.04. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan827 Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 I love felix jones there because he is now the primary back on a winning team did he get traded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Just one more post. I just got Ingram in my local @ 8.04. 12 team & start 2 RBs Local leagues are just retodded but they are nice to get together with friends and shoot the shiznit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 did he get traded? Beat me to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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