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Everybody is talking about how the Patriots have drafted QB's. They drafted Matt Cassel! Yeah, in the SEVENTH round. The Colts drafted Sorgi in the sixth round in 2004 and Curtis Painter in the sixth round of the 2009 draft. They also brought in Nate Davis from Ball State who was a fifth round pick in 2009. They just haven't panned out like Cassel did.

 

Now the Patriots addressed QB in this year's draft, but they have a plethora of picks every year, which would make doing that easier.

 

Actually the first thing I said was how the PACKERS have drafted and developed QB talent, and also mentioned the Patriots.

 

However, while they have drafted QBs, they havent developed qbs. There is a massive difference. The Packers and Patriots have drafted and developed those late picks into starters for other teams. The qbs drafted by the colts are UFL fodder . .

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Actually the first thing I said was how the PACKERS have drafted and developed QB talent, and also mentioned the Patriots.

 

However, while they have drafted QBs, they havent developed qbs. There is a massive difference. The Packers and Patriots have drafted and developed those late picks into starters for other teams. The qbs drafted by the colts are UFL fodder . .

I wasn't referencing just you. They were talking about it on sports radio today too. You cannot honestly tell me that Cassel "development" didn't also involve a little luck. He never even played college football. And if Brady hadn't blown out his knee, nobody would still have any idea who he is. My point is that the Colts have tried to draft young QB's late. None have turned out. For every Brady and Cassel, there are 100 Sorgi's and Painter's.

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While I understand what you are saying, the Colts HAVE tried to address their QB situation in the past. But no veteran QB ever wants to come here, because they'll never play, and Manning takes almost all the practice snaps. The last vet QB to back-up Manning was Mark Rypien.

 

Everybody is talking about how the Patriots have drafted QB's. They drafted Matt Cassel! Yeah, in the SEVENTH round. The Colts drafted Jim Sorgi in the sixth round in 2004 and Curtis Painter in the sixth round of the 2009 draft. They also brought in Nate Davis from Ball State who was a fifth round pick in 2009. They just haven't panned out like Cassel did.

 

The Patriots did address QB in this year's draft, but they also had a plethora of picks, which would make doing that easier. Some Pats fans wondered why they did it, instead of taking and edge rusher, which they desperately needed.

 

I think the Colts will have to address the back-up QB spot over the last 5 years of Manning's career. Collins this year. Perhaps they will draft someone next year.

 

This is a great and very interesting point that I think many people overlook, including myself. While a backup's role is clearly defined, who wants absolutely no chance at playing? Great point.

 

I see the problems with comparing the Colts and Patriots. Obviously Cassel got an extended opportunity/audition when Brady went down; Sorgi and Painter really haven't gotten that. But it's gotta say something that yes, the Patriots have shown success, whether that's blind luck or not. They HAVE developed quarterbacks and shown a wanting to do so (drafting Mallett this year, and yes, I know they have extra draft picks, but they clearly value that and maybe he will be even more valuable down the line).

 

Last five years makes sense, I think a lot of people have said that and expect that. I mean, you're right, who expected this with Manning? He just signed the contract!

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This is a great and very interesting point that I think many people overlook, including myself. While a backup's role is clearly defined, who wants absolutely no chance at playing? Great point.

 

I see the problems with comparing the Colts and Patriots. Obviously Cassel got an extended opportunity/audition when Brady went down; Sorgi and Painter really haven't gotten that. But it's gotta say something that yes, the Patriots have shown success, whether that's blind luck or not. They HAVE developed quarterbacks and shown a wanting to do so (drafting Mallett this year, and yes, I know they have extra draft picks, but they clearly value that and maybe he will be even more valuable down the line).

 

Last five years makes sense, I think a lot of people have said that and expect that. I mean, you're right, who expected this with Manning? He just signed the contract!

The Colts are basically forced to draft a QB because of this. But when do you do it? They need help in so many places, that back-up QB becomes a low priority. It doesn't get addressed until the sixth round.

 

And let's face it, the Belichick and the Pats are much better at developing players than the Colts are.

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Career Statistics

YR TM G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT RSH YD Y/R TD FPT RANK VBD

1995 CAR 15 214 432 2717 6.3 14 19 42 74 1.8 3 193 24 0

1996 CAR 13 204 364 2454 6.7 14 9 32 38 1.2 0 179 21 0

1997 CAR 13 200 381 2124 5.6 11 21 26 65 2.5 1 132 27 0

1998 CAR 4 76 162 1011 6.2 8 5 7 40 5.7 0 162 23 0

1998 NO 7 94 191 1202 6.3 4 10 23 113 4.9 1

1999 NYG 10 191 332 2316 7.0 8 11 19 36 1.9 2 149 24 0

2000 NYG 16 311 529 3610 6.8 22 13 41 65 1.6 1 277 8 26

2001 NYG 16 327 568 3764 6.6 19 16 39 73 1.9 0 258 13 0

2002 NYG 16 335 545 4073 7.5 19 14 44 -3 -0.1 0 270 13 0 [game logs] [splits]

2003 NYG 13 284 500 3110 6.2 13 16 17 49 2.9 0 193 20 0 [game logs] [splits]

2004 OAK 14 289 513 3495 6.8 21 20 16 36 2.2 0 243 15 0 [game logs] [splits]

2005 OAK 15 302 565 3759 6.7 20 12 18 38 2.1 1 274 9 10 [game logs] [splits]

2006 TEN 4 42 90 549 6.1 1 6 0 0 0.0 0 20 54 0 [game logs] [splits]

2007 TEN 6 50 82 531 6.5 0 0 3 -3 -1.0 0 26 57 0 [game logs] [splits]

2008 TEN 16 242 415 2676 6.4 12 7 25 49 2.0 0 185 25 0 [game logs] [splits]

2009 TEN 7 119 216 1225 5.7 6 8 12 15 1.2 1 83 35 0 [game logs] [splits]

2010 TEN 10 160 278 1823 6.6 14 8 10 1 0.1 0 145 28 0 [game logs] [splits]

TOT 195 3440 6163 40439 6.6 206 195 374 686 1.8 10 2789 36

 

 

Ranked in the top half of the league 5 out of 17 years. Completion percentage, yards per attempt, T.D. to interception ratio, all pedestrian at best. A true compiler.

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Career Statistics

YR TM G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT RSH YD Y/R TD FPT RANK VBD

1995 CAR 15 214 432 2717 6.3 14 19 42 74 1.8 3 193 24 0

1996 CAR 13 204 364 2454 6.7 14 9 32 38 1.2 0 179 21 0

1997 CAR 13 200 381 2124 5.6 11 21 26 65 2.5 1 132 27 0

1998 CAR 4 76 162 1011 6.2 8 5 7 40 5.7 0 162 23 0

1998 NO 7 94 191 1202 6.3 4 10 23 113 4.9 1

1999 NYG 10 191 332 2316 7.0 8 11 19 36 1.9 2 149 24 0

2000 NYG 16 311 529 3610 6.8 22 13 41 65 1.6 1 277 8 26

2001 NYG 16 327 568 3764 6.6 19 16 39 73 1.9 0 258 13 0

2002 NYG 16 335 545 4073 7.5 19 14 44 -3 -0.1 0 270 13 0 [game logs] [splits]

2003 NYG 13 284 500 3110 6.2 13 16 17 49 2.9 0 193 20 0 [game logs] [splits]

2004 OAK 14 289 513 3495 6.8 21 20 16 36 2.2 0 243 15 0 [game logs] [splits]

2005 OAK 15 302 565 3759 6.7 20 12 18 38 2.1 1 274 9 10 [game logs] [splits]

2006 TEN 4 42 90 549 6.1 1 6 0 0 0.0 0 20 54 0 [game logs] [splits]

2007 TEN 6 50 82 531 6.5 0 0 3 -3 -1.0 0 26 57 0 [game logs] [splits]

2008 TEN 16 242 415 2676 6.4 12 7 25 49 2.0 0 185 25 0 [game logs] [splits]

2009 TEN 7 119 216 1225 5.7 6 8 12 15 1.2 1 83 35 0 [game logs] [splits]

2010 TEN 10 160 278 1823 6.6 14 8 10 1 0.1 0 145 28 0 [game logs] [splits]

TOT 195 3440 6163 40439 6.6 206 195 374 686 1.8 10 2789 36

 

 

Ranked in the top half of the league 5 out of 17 years. Completion percentage, yards per attempt, T.D. to interception ratio, all pedestrian at best. A true compiler.

 

Tons of other QB's playing in his era who were not able to 'compile'

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Kerry Collins was almost 50/50 for TDs/INTs. That's HOF material right there. Half his career he threw more INTs than TDs in seasons.

 

That kinda brings back memories of watching him play in Carolina. He would usually hurl the ball downfield before getting pancaked. That is if he got the ball out before getting hit. He never seemed to be too aware of the blitz.

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Collins has been cooked for 5 years now. Before he was done he would come out, complete about 58% of his passes, for relatively little yardage. He'd get his team about 200 yards a game and one T.D., while also throwing 1 int.. His entire career was played in the passing era. His numbers are pedestrian to me. If you find him better I can't argue with that, ours are just opinions.

 

He has done nothing in 5 years, some may differ on this as well. He does not know the offense or recievers, that cannot be disputed.

 

No, I stand on my post. Reasonable minds can disagree. Reggie Wayne happens to agree with me. I don't know that his doing so makes me comfortable.

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Tons of other QB's playing in his era who were not able to 'compile'

That is the double edge sword argument...how does a guy that sucks get to compile for 10+ years....and I don't just mean in the NFL...for the most part if you stick around long enough to compile I think it is pretty safe to say that you didn't suck...if you suck you end up like Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith etc., out of the league sooner rather than later.

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That is the double edge sword argument...how does a guy that sucks get to compile for 10+ years....and I don't just mean in the NFL...for the most part if you stick around long enough to compile I think it is pretty safe to say that you didn't suck...if you suck you end up like Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith etc., out of the league sooner rather than later.

 

 

There is a difference between sucking and being pedestrian. He was for the most part a below average NFL starter in his era. He had a few seasons where he was good, but for the most part he was barely serviceable, though serviceable. That is to say he was pedestrian. His stats are what they are.

 

Now, as he has aged the last five years he has down right sucked. Some of that is due, no doubt, to his teams, but he has sucked.

 

As I stated he iwas pedestrian when at his peak, and age has clearly robbed him of the peak of his pedestrianness. Hoping that he can get back to just barely acceptable would mean he would have to catch lightening in a bottle. This is not to slight the man. Being pedestrian at the hardest position in sport is no dig.

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This. Like Jeff Garcia, dude just kept hanging on (though longer, actually) and putting up solid numbers. He took a team to the NFC Championship when he was young. Took another team to the SB later on, and was at the helm when Tennessee had some nice seasons. Did he put any of those teams on his back? Certainly not. But the QB is the QB.

Yep. He isn't great, but in being (probably) not terrible, he is the best they now have.

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Do you know that all players take physicals before the team signs them to a contract? Yeah, I'm sure if the Colts doctors had examined him and found that there were major issues with his neck, the Colts would have been like, "oh well, we gotta pay him top dollar for the next five years. . . " :tup::lol:

 

It clearly was not an issue, which is why i brought up the contract in the first place. I thought it was crazy to even mention it being a career-threatening injury.

 

Manning is throwing the football again. He will play again, and play well. The question is, how soon?

 

 

 

This actually made me laugh out loud. You call yourself a "Colts Fan" but take every opportunity to bash Polian you can on these boards. But when it suits you now, they are "smart". :rofl:

 

Get your story straight. You know less about the Colts than any "fan" I've ever talked with.

tee hee giggle snicker snort pot/kettle blah etc blah

 

:wacko:

 

Whatever. You're clearly unable and/or unwilling to debate intelligently and so not worth addressing further. Why I thought you'd at least try at some point I've no idea.

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tee hee giggle snicker snort pot/kettle blah etc blah

:tup: I've explained it again. Posted links to where you misinterpreted my comment. This is your response?

Whatever. You're clearly unable and/or unwilling to debate intelligently and so not worth addressing further. Why I thought you'd at least try at some point I've no idea.

 

:wacko:

 

If that's the best you can do, I take it you lost this discussion. :lol:

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