marcheese Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 I'm talking 2 or 3 years down the line here. Who projects as a better fantasy quarterback in the years to come? And why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Bradford, and it isn't even close. Newton may not even be starting in 3 years. He's going to start the season as CAR's QB1, but with that woeful team and now the O-line suffering some serious injuries, there's a very real chance he may be one of those rookie QBs who isn't ready (and he isn't ready to start right now), has some flaws in his play, and then gets his confidence shattered when they are forced onto the field and get used by the D like a $1 hooker on Saturday night when the Marines are in town. On the other hand, Bradford has clearly shown that he has everything it takes to be a good starter at the pro level, and he certainly has enough athletic ability, mental capacity and toughness, character, and leadership to possibly make a move towrd the upper tier of QBs in the next year or two. Working with McShowtime Rotisseriebag as his OC is absolutely going to help him as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 I think BB is very likely correct here, but (in the interest of fairness) I think we need to see how Newton actually does this season before comparing him to an NFL QB who has a year of starting experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcheese Posted September 2, 2011 Author Share Posted September 2, 2011 The main thing I was curious about is - Does Newton's ability to scramble improve his fantasy value? Sure, he may be a mediocre real life QB, but could be an asset in fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 (edited) I actually don't share BB's gloomy outlook for Newton and think he could be really nice. That said, in terms of the question, and having to make that call right now? I certainly agree that it's a no-brainer, Bradford is your guy. Again, I think Newton could be nice. More specifically, I think he has as good a chance or better than any other QB coming in to the league. Bradford already is nice. And with failure rate of QBs in general, if you can get a young guy who's already shown he gets it, you go with that. What's more, if we're talking Dynasty QBs, which I'm guessing inspired the question, give me a pocket passer any day. Dude stays out of harms way and rewards you year in and year out. Edited September 2, 2011 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Is this a serious question? Because deep down you already know the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panhead55 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Is this a serious question? Because deep down you already know the answer. A year ago at this time would you have predicted that Micheal Vick would be one of the top fantasy QBs at draft time this year? It is said that Newton is more advanced than Vick was when he entered the league. The smart money should be on Bradford, but I certainly don't rule out the possibility that Newton becomes something special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 A year ago at this time would you have predicted that Micheal Vick would be one of the top fantasy QBs at draft time this year? It is said that Newton is more advanced than Vick was when he entered the league. The smart money should be on Bradford, but I certainly don't rule out the possibility that Newton becomes something special. That doesn't change the fact that the number of QBs, even highly touted ones, that end up making it is slim. Which is why, there are basically two camps on Newton. Those who think he's going to flame out, and those of us who think he might make it. Bradford, on the other hand, has already gotten through the hardest part. Stepping in, day one, on a really crappy team, and showing he has what it takes to succeed. Certainly he could still go south, but you have to think the chances of that are far slimmer for a guy with a promising year under his belt at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 (edited) There's no doubt that Bradford has the tools needed to be a franchise QB... Ever since he completed every throw at his pro-day, he's shown that the transition to the NFL was easier for him than most... If you want to compare Newton to Vick, you need to also compare him to Tebow (who he also has a similar skill set to), and look at the reasons why he will have to work very hard to be successful in the NFL... First many of the knocks are identical to those about Tebow (system QB in a spread offense that doesn't require accurate throws and doesn't translate to a pro-offense), and for that matter both Tebow and Vick (if he doesn't progress as a passer, then he's going to have a short injury-riddled career just trying to get by on his legs)... Then you add in some character concerns, and it's clear that he's no lock to be great if he doesn't work at it. But can he be great? Absolutely. You don't come into the SEC and dominate like that as a first-year starter, but there is so much more we need to see out of him to make any definitive call about whether he'll be successful in the NFL... He's still to raw right now to know, but I will say that he's been doing better than I thought he would coming out... Edited September 2, 2011 by delusions of granduer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbahawk Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Newton is the love child of Jamarcus Russell and Akili Smith with Rick Mirer as his godfather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 There's no doubt that Bradford has the tools needed to be a franchise QB... Ever since he completed every throw at his pro-day, he's shown that the transition to the NFL was easier for him than most... If you want to compare Newton to Vick, you need to also compare him to Tebow (who he also has a similar skill set to), and look at the reasons why he will have to work very hard to be successful in the NFL... First many of the knocks are identical to those about Tebow (system QB in a spread offense that doesn't require accurate throws and doesn't translate to a pro-offense), and for that matter both Tebow and Vick (if he doesn't progress as a passer, then he's going to have a short injury-riddled career just trying to get by on his legs)... Then you add in some character concerns, and it's clear that he's no lock to be great if he doesn't work at it. But can he be great? Absolutely. You don't come into the SEC and dominate like that as a first-year starter, but there is so much more we need to see out of him to make any definitive call about whether he'll be successful in the NFL... He's still to raw right now to know, but I will say that he's been doing better than I thought he would coming out... In fairness to Newton, I think the Tebow comparisons are a bit unfair and, frankly, were put to rest by the fact that it was always a question of where in the top half of the first round he was worth being taken. Well, at least when you asked the guys who were about to stake their name and money to that pick. With Tebow, it appeared there were maybe one or two guys who were even willing to use a late first on him. Tebow played under one of the finest coaches in college ball on a perennial juggernaut. Newton took a solid Auburn team, put them on his back, and led them to the title. Florida also won a National title when Tebow was just a bit player and the main QB was a guy who also lacked the tools to make it at the NFL level. So, you could certainly pin much of Tebow's success to Urban Meyer. Not so sure you can pin Newton's to Gene Chizik. I do think that Newton's physical stature and athletic skill set is not equaled by Tebow. And I also think that he's got a better chance of succeeding at the NFL level than others who have been painted by the same brush. But that hardly means he's a can't miss prospect. It seems like we're largely on the same page here, I just wanted to make the distinction between him and Tebow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Newton is the love child of Jamarcus Russell and Akili Smith with Rick Mirer as his godfather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Newton is the love child of Jamarcus Russell and Akili Smith with Rick Mirer as his godfather. Don't forget his uncles Matt Leinert and Danny Wuerfful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 In fairness to Newton, I think the Tebow comparisons are a bit unfair and, frankly, were put to rest by the fact that it was always a question of where in the top half of the first round he was worth being taken. Well, at least when you asked the guys who were about to stake their name and money to that pick. With Tebow, it appeared there were maybe one or two guys who were even willing to use a late first on him. Tebow played under one of the finest coaches in college ball on a perennial juggernaut. Newton took a solid Auburn team, put them on his back, and led them to the title. Florida also won a National title when Tebow was just a bit player and the main QB was a guy who also lacked the tools to make it at the NFL level. So, you could certainly pin much of Tebow's success to Urban Meyer. Not so sure you can pin Newton's to Gene Chizik. I do think that Newton's physical stature and athletic skill set is not equaled by Tebow. And I also think that he's got a better chance of succeeding at the NFL level than others who have been painted by the same brush. But that hardly means he's a can't miss prospect. It seems like we're largely on the same page here, I just wanted to make the distinction between him and Tebow. I didn't mean that to be a direct comparison. Tebow, Vick and Newton are all different players (and you never would have heard me say "absolutely" about Tebow having a chance to be great, and I only hate Florida marginally more than Auburn)... But all 3 players have/will face the similar challenges of adapting their game to the pro level... I mean, at the combine Newton was throwing terrible balls, and we all well know the #1 trait of a successful NFL QB: accuracy. If he can improve that then he has a chance for Philly-Vick-like success, but if he simply relies on his jets and doesn't improve there, you could have an Atlanta Vick-tease (lol) of a situation, or worse yet a Tebow situation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 I didn't mean that to be a direct comparison. Tebow, Vick and Newton are all different players (and you never would have heard me say "absolutely" about Tebow having a chance to be great, and I only hate Florida marginally more than Auburn)... But all 3 players have/will face the similar challenges of adapting their game to the pro level... I mean, at the combine Newton was throwing terrible balls, and we all well know the #1 trait of a successful NFL QB: accuracy. If he can improve that then he has a chance for Philly-Vick-like success, but if he simply relies on his jets and doesn't improve there, you could have an Atlanta Vick-tease (lol) of a situation, or worse yet a Tebow situation... Like I said, it seems like we pretty much agree on this. Here's the thing, the only remotely accurate comparison is to Young. The Russell comparisons are the lamest because they're basically based on the fact that they're both big and black. That's it. Vick is way smaller. Tebow isn't as smooth and athletic. And I don't think Young had the charisma or togetherness needed to be a leader of men. But you get that impression from Newton. Any tang that Young ever pulled was because he played QB at Texas. Newton would pull if he was driving a UPS truck. I do think that Newton has the best chance of any of this ilk to succeed, but he's certainly going to need to become a student of the game and and throw a more accurate ball. Jordan was just an athletic freak until he developed a deadly jump shot. Same thing with Newton. That will be the difference between whether he becomes Jordan or just another in a line of "the next Jordans" who never made it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Bradford looks better than any 2nd year qb ever. The odds of Newton being better are slim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbahawk Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 the Russell akili smith and rick mirer comp is accurate. Russell because of the strong arm but very inaccurate. Akili Smith because he has a swagger about him that some like some hate but really isn't a leader. And Rick Mirer because he looks to run first and loses his vision to the whole left side of the field when he scrambles. In fairness to him though none of this years QB are even close to becoming what Bradford is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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