SpeedRacer Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Take this for what it's worth, as it isn't coming from the team, but this guy is pretty dialed in. https://twitter.com/#!/jakequery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 not so shocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwatz Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 If he did have the procedure (surgery) on Sunday or Monday as the tweet states, why would Indy continue to keep this a secret? Is it to sell tickets? Would people not buy tickets if they knew he was out for the year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedRacer Posted September 7, 2011 Author Share Posted September 7, 2011 If he did have the procedure (surgery) on Sunday or Monday as the tweet states, why would Indy continue to keep this a secret? Is it to sell tickets? Would people not buy tickets if they knew he was out for the year? I think the "procedure" in question may be the diagnostics, not actual surgery. Who knows, though. The Colts will hunker down in the bunker and won't say a word until they know the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I mean they came out today and said he isn't playing first game. I'm sure they are doing everything to can to make sure he can play at SOME point in the season. They wouldn't break that news unless they were for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 We needed another Manning injury thread .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedRacer Posted September 7, 2011 Author Share Posted September 7, 2011 except that he said, "3rd". Unless there's only been two diagnostics previously, then it's refering to the 3rd surgery. Good point....that would indeed make his 3rd procedure. I'm not sure I'm buying that, but if they don't like what they see from the diagnostics, then it would not surprise me to see them shut him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 it's not like they've been overly forthcoming about anything with Manning's injuries over the last couple years - not sure why people are expecting them to change their tack on this now. They won't say anything unless they feel that they have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 It's not to sell tickets. The Colts have sold out their season tickets. Sadly, this news would not surprise me at this point. The Colts have always been very secretive about this kind of info. The way they drug out the Edgerrin James torn ACL. The way they drug out the Marvin Harrison injury. It took them forever to disclose the seriousness of it. I spoke with someone with inside info as well. It is not good. I do not know if he had another surgery, but his return will not be any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) Colts fan here. I posted last year (or was it even two years ago?) that the Colts needed to have a "QB-in-waiting" already on the roster. I personally think it's a piss poor job by the Colts to not have had that QB already on the roster. I also think it was a terrible decision to have mortgaged their future like they did on Manning's contract this year and over the years. And Caldwell sucks too while I'm at it. Dude couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. Thinking it's gonna be a long year. Edited September 7, 2011 by Cunning Runt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 As far as having a back-up, let's get real. They have drafted QB's in the late rounds over the years. That is basically their only option. Free agent quarterbacks won's sign with the Colts because they know they will not play. And not only will they not play, but they'll get less reps than most other back-up QB's in practice, because Manning takes the majority of those too. The Patriots drafted Matt Cassel in the seventh round. They drafted Ryan Mallet this year in the third round this year. I'd rather have Kerry Collins than a rookie. Do you want them to spend a second round pick on a offensive lineman or a back-up QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwatz Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 David Garaard to the Colts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 As far as having a back-up, let's get real. They have drafted QB's in the late rounds over the years. That is basically their only option. Free agent quarterbacks won's sign with the Colts because they know they will not play. And not only will they not play, but they'll get less reps than most other back-up QB's in practice, because Manning takes the majority of those too. The Patriots drafted Matt Cassel in the seventh round. They drafted Ryan Mallet this year in the third round this year. I'd rather have Kerry Collins than a rookie. Do you want them to spend a second round pick on a offensive lineman or a back-up QB? I'm not disputing those facts (which you have mentioned in other threads) but that sounds like poor management. How is this situation different than the Packers and Rodgers? They drafted Rodgers in the first round when Favre was 35. Peyton is 35. And as we all know, Favre played several years more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 As far as having a back-up, let's get real. They have drafted QB's in the late rounds over the years. That is basically their only option. Free agent quarterbacks won's sign with the Colts because they know they will not play. And not only will they not play, but they'll get less reps than most other back-up QB's in practice, because Manning takes the majority of those too. The Patriots drafted Matt Cassel in the seventh round. They drafted Ryan Mallet this year in the third round this year. I'd rather have Kerry Collins than a rookie. Do you want them to spend a second round pick on a offensive lineman or a back-up QB? I call BS. I was just listening to Sirius NFL talk about this earlier today or yesterday afternoon. They said that since the Colts have had Manning they've drafted a grand total of 2 (or was it 3) QBs period - Sorgi and Painter, and maybe one other. That's since 1998. Unbelievable. That's putting all your eggs in one basket over and over again. For instance... The Pats drafted Matt Cassel who had not started a game since high school and turned him into a first round pick for themselves. Just poor management not to have drafted and kept an adequate back up on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I'm not disputing those facts (which you have mentioned in other threads) but that sounds like poor management. How is this situation different than the Packers and Rodgers? They drafted Rodgers in the first round when Favre was 35. Peyton is 35. And as we all know, Favre played several years more... The list is longer of young QB's taken too early to be the "replacement" and never panned out. Two jump to mind . . . JIm Druckenmiller.for Steve Young Tommy Maddox for John Elway Farve was also playing the retirement game every year, which forced the Packers to be prepared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) I call BS. I was just listening to Sirius NFL talk about this earlier today or yesterday afternoon. They said that since the Colts have had Manning they've drafted a grand total of 2 (or was it 3) QBs period - Sorgi and Painter, and maybe one other. That's since 1998. Unbelievable. That's putting all your eggs in one basket over and over again. For instance... The Pats drafted Matt Cassel who had not started a game since high school and turned him into a first round pick for themselves. Just poor management not to have drafted and kept an adequate back up on the team. How is drafting a kid who never played in college in the seventh round somehow superior to the Colts taking Sorgi and Painter in the sixth rounds? At least they drafted starting college quarterbacks? They also have brought in Mark Rypien, Dan Orlovsky, Joe Hamilton, Jared Lorenzen, etc. Edited September 7, 2011 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I was just listening to Sirius NFL talk about this earlier today or yesterday afternoon. They said that since the Colts have had Manning they've drafted a grand total of 2 (or was it 3) QBs period - Sorgi and Painter, and maybe one other. That's since 1998. Unbelievable. Well think about it like this... The Cotls have gambled on Manning for the 14th year now, and have been right 13 out of 14 times... If you're a gambling man, the odds don't get any better than that... So should they have drafted a more capable backup? Perhaps, but like CH said, wouldn't you rather draft an O-lineman to keep Manning up right so you don't have to resort to a backup, than to have a backup that even if good might not be able to come anywhere close to running the offense to the level that Peyton can? Plain and simple the Colts have built their team entirely around Manning because he is probably by far the least replaceable player in the league, regardless of who you've got behind him. Stats aside, not even Brady can do what he does for that offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 The list is longer of young QB's taken too early to be the "replacement" and never panned out. Two jump to mind . . . JIm Druckenmiller.for Steve Young Tommy Maddox for John Elway Farve was also playing the retirement game every year, which forced the Packers to be prepared. I am not sure if the Packers were forced to draft a QB. I think it was Karma on that draft day...hey look what just fell into our lap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) The list is longer of young QB's taken too early to be the "replacement" and never panned out. Two jump to mind . . . JIm Druckenmiller.for Steve Young Tommy Maddox for John Elway Farve was also playing the retirement game every year, which forced the Packers to be prepared. So are you saying the Colts didn't want to risk/waste a pick? I don't like that excuse. They viewed Peyton as Superman and clearly they might pay the price for that line of thinking this season. Edited September 7, 2011 by Goopster24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 So are you saying the Colts didn't want to risk/waste a pick? I don't like that excuse. They viewed Peyton as Superman and clearly they might pay the price for that line of thinking this season. Having drafted a QB in an early round sometime in the last couple years does not necessarily mean their season would be saved. See the two QB's I mentioned above. They tried to get Hasselbeck over the summer. Kerry Collins is about the kind of back-up I would expect them to have. I don't understand why some of you expect the Colts to have a Pro Bowler waiting in the wings. That just doesn't happen much anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Having drafted a QB in an early round sometime in the last couple years does not necessarily mean their season would be saved. See the two QB's I mentioned above. They tried to get Hasselbeck over the summer. Kerry Collins is about the kind of back-up I would expect them to have. I don't understand why some of you expect the Colts to have a Pro Bowler waiting in the wings. That just doesn't happen much anymore. First off, those are two examples. Second, I agree Collins is not that bad of a backup. BUT that doesn't excuse them from not betting "better prepared." You don't think they could have better prepared for this situation AT ALL? I'm definitely not saying drafting a QB early = "saving their season." But surely showing the wanting to develop a young quarterback, like many teams in the NFL do every single year, would have been beneficial. And the fact that Manning takes all snaps and backups don't want to go to Indy, well, what does that say about their plan/vision? I don't like that line of thinking. I know up to this point Peyton HAS been Superman. But in the NFL, you still have the prepare. Colts fans I know have always talked about this nightmare scenario. Now it's here and none are happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I agree Collins is not that bad of a backup. BUT that doesn't excuse them from not betting "better prepared." If Collins is "not that bad a backup", perhaps simply knowing that folks like Collins would be available constitutes preparedness of it's own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 If Collins is "not that bad a backup", perhaps simply knowing that folks like Collins would be available constitutes preparedness of it's own. That's a good point but let's not forget the dude retired...let's say he said no. Who then is next best option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 And frankly, I don't buy that "plan." Bears have been living off that plan for 20 years it seems. How's it helped them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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