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In 2 leagues I can honestly say I lost because of QB play. Big Ben and Schaub. The other teams had Rodgers and Romo and those QB points definately turned the tide for my opposing teams. Going early on a stud QB seems like a good strategy after this week. When a QB scores single digits or barely makes it into 2 digits, it really affects the total outcome, more so than if it were a RB or WR. I know it is just week 1 but Ben is looking a little scary to me.

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Week 1 is not a make or break to anyones season. It hurts to lose that first game, but it only hurts the ego. Be patient... It irons itself in the wash later once teams start settling in. Remember, D's have a destinct advantage at first. Plus, teams have had a very long time to prepare for this one game to make your studs look silly.

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Classic over reaction on the guys you listed. I think that some probably had both Schaub and Roeth ahead of Romo in their Pre-Draft Rankings. Basically, Schaub and Roeth are just as close to elite as Romo. Based on your statements I guess Fitzpatrick is a stud? You need to build the best TEAM. Focussing on having to have a top 5 QB could make you weak elsewhere. Their is no set strategy when building a team. You have to be able to adjust on the fly.

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Just think 50% of every FF teams can say something just about the same thing ,,, Yours is QB's others here mentioned their Stud RB's or WR's truth is out of 1,000 teams 500 were loser after week one ,,, same as last year and the same as next year ,,, come on guys it was week one, someone had to lose

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Just think 50% of every FF teams can say something just about the same thing ,,, Yours is QB's others here mentioned their Stud RB's or WR's truth is out of 1,000 teams 500 were loser after week one ,,, same as last year and the same as next year ,,, come on guys it was week one, someone had to lose

 

That someone was me... headed for 0-3 in my three leagues after Week 1. At least now I have an idea what I'm working with!

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This is the very reason why I drafted A Rodgers #2 overall. If you dont have a STUD QB your toast. In 1 league I was playing Matt Ryan & outscored him by 21 points. Had Vick in my other league and outscored "Big Ben" by 18 points. STUD QB's as Mr Al Davis says "just win baby"!!!

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Funny, I waited on a QB, and as a result started Cutler in two leagues. And he was one of the few people on any of my teams who did squat.

 

In fact, in one of the leagues, I actually drafted Fitzpatrick but someone waived Cutler pre-season and I had him rated higher, so I ditched Fitz for Cutler. Had I not, I would have started him and his 4 TDs instead.

 

And then there's those who waited and ended up with Flacco or Stafford. I'm guessing they're not too bummed either.

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Funny, I waited on a QB, and as a result started Cutler in two leagues. And he was one of the few people on any of my teams who did squat.

 

In fact, in one of the leagues, I actually drafted Fitzpatrick but someone waived Cutler pre-season and I had him rated higher, so I ditched Fitz for Cutler. Had I not, I would have started him and his 4 TDs instead.

 

And then there's those who waited and ended up with Flacco or Stafford. I'm guessing they're not too bummed either.

 

Im sure they arent as well. But think about this.....Stafford is good I give the man props, but he damn near got taken out of the game yesterday cause he was limping around on a bum foot (injury prone.....great potential but cant seem to stay healthy). Now Flacco......I dont know where to begin on him. This almost has to be one of his top 3 games of his career. Take a look at his pedestrian career numbers and tell me you want this man as the QB on your team. I had Flacco 2 years ago on my FF team & he was the worst QB known to man (lost me 5 straight games with under 10 points per game)......I straight dumped him and found better QB's on the waiver wire. I may be wrong on this, but if I was a betting man I say he doesnt put up 1/2 of this weeks numbers next week.

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Im sure they arent as well. But think about this.....Stafford is good I give the man props, but he damn near got taken out of the game yesterday cause he was limping around on a bum foot (injury prone.....great potential but cant seem to stay healthy). Now Flacco......I dont know where to begin on him. This almost has to be one of his top 3 games of his career. Take a look at his pedestrian career numbers and tell me you want this man as the QB on your team. I had Flacco 2 years ago on my FF team & he was the worst QB known to man (lost me 5 straight games with under 10 points per game)......I straight dumped him and found better QB's on the waiver wire. I may be wrong on this, but if I was a betting man I say he doesnt put up 1/2 of this weeks numbers next week.

 

Didnt Stafford have cramps and not a foot injury?

 

Oh, and 2 years ago was Flacco's 2nd year. He has gotten much better and that was a very good performance against the Steelers D.

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Funny, I waited on a QB, and as a result started Cutler in two leagues. And he was one of the few people on any of my teams who did squat.

 

In fact, in one of the leagues, I actually drafted Fitzpatrick but someone waived Cutler pre-season and I had him rated higher, so I ditched Fitz for Cutler. Had I not, I would have started him and his 4 TDs instead.

 

And then there's those who waited and ended up with Flacco or Stafford. I'm guessing they're not too bummed either.

 

I drafted Fitzpatrick as my starter! I think he'll be serviceable. Because i waited till the 9th to get him I was able to load up on RBs and WRs and even two TEs.

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I drafted Fitzpatrick as my starter! I think he'll be serviceable. Because i waited till the 9th to get him I was able to load up on RBs and WRs and even two TEs.

 

Bingo. This is a perfact example. FF is about value. You have to be able to find a few guys that will exceed expectations in the mid to late rounds in order to have a jump on the competition. I'm not saying that getting one of Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Vick and Rivers is a bad strategy, but to say you have to have a top QB to win is asinine

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When the opposing QB throws for 275 and 3 TD's and your throws for 170/1, you're in trouble. I decided years ago after routinely being beaten by huge days Brady/Manning/Brees that I'm going to be one of the guys with the monster QB's. It seemed to me that the top QB's routinely ended up in the fantasy playoffs. I wish I had the patience to do more research on this one. For the past three years or so I've drafted one of the top QB's and have routinely wound up in the playoffs. It puts more pressure on me to hit on a few RB's and WR's later in drafts, which to me is a lot easier than hitting on that 1 or 2 steals at the QB position. When your QB throws for 350 and 4, you're probably not going to lose that week regardless of the rest of your lineup.

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My problem with the stud QB thing is that one bad week is all it takes to lose in the playoffs, and guys like Brady, Rodgers, etc. regularly face some nasty weather conditions when it matters most. I don't want a large piece of my success tied to weather conditions (remember Brady's 50TD season, how many people got squat from him in the Miami game in week 15 that year?)

 

I'd rather field the best overall team by drafting a solid core. Let everyone else overpay for QB so the better value RBs and WRs fall to me. Heck back in 2007, I won it all with Sage Rosenfels as my playoff starting QB. Sure it's great to have an elite QB, but I feel like the rest of your team always looks thin when you do that, and most of your eggs are in one basket. Get 2 serviceable guys (Flacco, Stafford, Fitzpatrick, Cutler, etc.) and play the matchups and you'll likely get adequate enough production from your QB.

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I waited and drafted Freeman in the 7th and Fitzpatrick in the 13th.

 

Fitz is currently the 4th QB with 24.62 points

Freeman is currently the 17th QB with 15.96 points

 

Top QB (Newton) scored 31.68 points

2nd QB (Brees) scored 29.06 points

 

 

11th QB (Grossman) scored 20.02 points

12th QB (Cutler) scored 19.48 points

 

Grossman is still available on the WW

 

[ETA]

Here is the whole ranking

 

# Ovr Player Pts Avg 1 Status Bye

1. 4. Newton, Cam CAR QB ® 31.68 31.680 31.68 El Valluco - Trade 9

2. 6. Brees, Drew NOS QB 29.06 29.060 29.06 Flat Tires - Trade 11

3. 10. Vick, Michael PHI QB 25.28 25.280 25.28 PR Mafia - Trade 7

4. 12. Fitzpatrick, Ryan BUF QB 24.62 24.620 24.62 Rolling Thunder 7

5. 13. Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB 24.58 24.580 24.58 Can't Remember SHAM WOW! - Trade 8

6. 17. Stafford, Matthew DET QB 23.20 23.200 23.20 Cereal Killers - Trade 9

7. 23. Romo, Tony DAL QB 21.58 21.580 21.58 Pimp Juice - Trade 5

8. 26. Flacco, Joe BAL QB 20.96 20.960 20.96 Armed Forces - Trade 5

9. 27. Sanchez, Mark NYJ QB 20.70 20.700 20.70 Spastic Amoebas - Trade 8

10. 28. Kolb, Kevin ARI QB 20.36 20.360 20.36 Can't Remember SHAM WOW! - Trade 6

11. 29. Grossman, Rex WAS QB 20.20 20.200 20.20 Free Agent - Add 5

12. 33. Cutler, Jay CHI QB 19.48 19.480 19.48 Flat Tires - Trade 8

13. 34. Rivers, Philip SDC QB 19.40 19.400 19.40 Bohica - Trade 6

14. 39. Hasselbeck, Matt TEN QB 18.42 18.420 18.42 Free Agent - Add 6

15. 57. McCoy, Colt CLE QB 16.62 16.620 16.62 Gunther's Armada - Trade 5

16. 60. Jackson, Tarvaris SEA QB 16.18 16.180 16.18 Free Agent - Add 6

17. 62. Freeman, Josh TBB QB 15.96 15.960 15.96 Rolling Thunder 8

18. 63. Manning, Eli NYG QB 15.92 15.920 15.92 Child Please - Trade 7

19. 85. Smith, Alex SFO QB 13.16 13.160 13.16 Free Agent - Add 7

20. 86. Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB 13.10 13.100 13.10 Cereal Killers - Trade 11

21. 101. Collins, Kerry IND QB 11.88 11.880 11.88 Free Agent - Add 11

22. 103. Ryan, Matt ATL QB 11.76 11.760 11.76 Gunther's Armada - Trade 8

23. 116. Schaub, Matt HOU QB 10.80 10.800 10.80 Spastic Amoebas - Trade 11

24. 159. McCown, Luke JAC QB 8.00 8.000 8.00 Free Agent - Add 9

25. 164. Cassel, Matt KCC QB 7.76 7.760 7.76 Armed Forces - Trade (P) 6

26. 165. McNabb, Donovan MIN QB 7.76 7.760 7.76 Bohica - Trade (P) 9

27. 166. Gradkowski, Bruce CIN QB 7.68 7.680 7.68 Free Agent - Add 7

28. 167. Bradford, Sam STL QB 7.52 7.520 7.52 PR Mafia - Trade 5

29. 170. Dalton, Andy CIN QB ® 7.24 7.240 7.24 Free Agent - Add 7

30. 291. Feeley, A.J. STL QB 0.84 0.840 0.84 Free Agent - Add 5

 

And where they were drafted:

Pick Ovr Franchise

2.07 19. PR Mafia Vick, Michael PHI QB

2.12 24. Can't Remember SHAM WOW! Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB

3.03 27. El Valluco Brady, Tom NEP QB

3.04 28. Flat Tires Brees, Drew NOS QB

3.08 32. Bohica Rivers, Philip SDC QB

5.05 53. Pimp Juice Romo, Tony DAL QB

6.01 61. Spastic Amoebas Manning, Peyton IND QB

7.02 74. Cereal Killers Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB

7.10 82. Rolling Thunder Freeman, Josh TBB QB

7.12 84. Spastic Amoebas Schaub, Matt HOU QB

8.02 86. Gunther's Armada Ryan, Matt ATL QB

8.04 88. Armed Forces Flacco, Joe BAL QB

8.06 90. Child Please Manning, Eli NYG QB

10.07 115. PR Mafia Bradford, Sam STL QB

10.11 119. Cereal Killers Stafford, Matthew DET QB

13.01 145. Can't Remember SHAM WOW! Kolb, Kevin ARI QB

13.04 148. Flat Tires Cutler, Jay CHI QB

13.09 153. Armed Forces Cassel, Matt KCC QB

13.10 154. Rolling Thunder Fitzpatrick, Ryan BUF QB

13.11 155. Gunther's Armada McCoy, Colt CLE QB

13.12 156. Spastic Amoebas Sanchez, Mark NYJ QB

14.05 161. Bohica McNabb, Donovan MIN QB

14.06 162. Child Please Orton, Kyle DEN QB

14.08 164. Pimp Juice Garrard, David FA* QB

14.10 166. El Valluco Newton, Cam CAR QB ®

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Im sure they arent as well. But think about this.....Stafford is good I give the man props, but he damn near got taken out of the game yesterday cause he was limping around on a bum foot (injury prone.....great potential but cant seem to stay healthy). Now Flacco......I dont know where to begin on him. This almost has to be one of his top 3 games of his career. Take a look at his pedestrian career numbers and tell me you want this man as the QB on your team. I had Flacco 2 years ago on my FF team & he was the worst QB known to man (lost me 5 straight games with under 10 points per game)......I straight dumped him and found better QB's on the waiver wire. I may be wrong on this, but if I was a betting man I say he doesnt put up 1/2 of this weeks numbers next week.

Listen, I'm not the one who started a thread before week one is over saying, based on the fact that Brees and Rodgers and Vick put up nice numbers and Big Ben didn't that you have to have a stud QB. After all, if we're going on week 1, why can't I point out the litany of lower tiered QBs that also had good games?

 

Oh, and wasn't Flacco a rookie 2 years ago?

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Like someone else said, it's only week one. No need to hit the panic button yet. In my two locals, I started Big Ben & Matt Ryan this week. I left Fitzpatrick on the bench in both. Now if this trend continues, that's whole different story.

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Listen, I'm not the one who started a thread before week one is over saying, based on the fact that Brees and Rodgers and Vick put up nice numbers and Big Ben didn't that you have to have a stud QB. After all, if we're going on week 1, why can't I point out the litany of lower tiered QBs that also had good games?

 

Oh, and wasn't Flacco a rookie 2 years ago?

 

I am very cognizant of the fact that the 1st week is not over. Part of my thinking was predicated on the playoffs from last year.( when the season was over) with my team of Schaub, Nicks, R White, Foster, Blount..... it ended up in a tie because the other guy in the midst of a very pedestrian team got 44 points from Vick, thanks to the Giants D. Vick was the reason.He acted like he was the master at drafting a team. The only reason we tied and he went on to win the title was Vick! I am just thinking out loud and looking for input. On the other hand I won a title with Flacco. I just think in the majority of cases the winning teams have stud QB's. Just looking for input here.

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I am very cognizant of the fact that the 1st week is not over. Part of my thinking was predicated on the playoffs from last year.( when the season was over) with my team of Schaub, Nicks, R White, Foster, Blount..... it ended up in a tie because the other guy in the midst of a very pedestrian team got 44 points from Vick, thanks to the Giants D. Vick was the reason.He acted like he was the master at drafting a team. The only reason we tied and he went on to win the title was Vick! I am just thinking out loud and looking for input. On the other hand I won a title with Flacco. I just think in the majority of cases the winning teams have stud QB's. Just looking for input here.

The guy who beat you because he had Vick beat you because he had a stud QB despite not spending a high pick on one. So it's actually the exact opposite of the argument that says you need to go after Brady or Rodgers or Brees in the draft.

 

The whole argument about "you need a stud QB" or "you need a stud RB" is essentially an argument to spend high picks on them. Obviously, getting a stud anything either on the WW or late in the draft is a massive bonus and could help lead you to the FF title. These arguments are about what guys are worth spending a high pick or high auction $$ on.

 

So, the Vick argument makes about as much sense to the QB side as pointing to what Arian Foster did last year does to the RB/RB draft guy's theory.

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The guy who beat you because he had Vick beat you because he had a stud QB despite not spending a high pick on one. So it's actually the exact opposite of the argument that says you need to go after Brady or Rodgers or Brees in the draft.

 

The whole argument about "you need a stud QB" or "you need a stud RB" is essentially an argument to spend high picks on them. Obviously, getting a stud anything either on the WW or late in the draft is a massive bonus and could help lead you to the FF title. These arguments are about what guys are worth spending a high pick or high auction $$ on.

 

So, the Vick argument makes about as much sense to the QB side as pointing to what Arian Foster did last year does to the RB/RB draft guy's theory.

 

 

You have many good points here. This guy won with Yick, so regardless of where he took him he still won because of Vick. Hypothetically if he has Vick, and a pedestrian team, wouldn't that play out the same as taking a stud QB early?

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