MikesVikes Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I think you mean Casino. Yea, that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 How about when a kicker fakes getting killed when a rusher is close? Agree. Same concept. That's a terrible offence as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Agree. Same concept. That's a terrible offence as well. If the kicker really thinks there is any real danger they crap their pants. If they go down you check their pants for the crap. No crap = no fear = no contact = no foul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Obviously, you've got two things in play here. One is that the league is rightly taking strides to protect the players, so anything that makes someone "prove" their really injured may be a bit counter productive to that end. On the other hand, this tactic obviously works well, so something needs to be done. I agree with making a player who is allegedly injured enough to warrant a stoppage of play to have to sit out the entire possession and that no substitutions other than that player are to be allowed. Sort of like icing in hockey where the offending team can't sub but the other team can. During the stoppage, the replay guys can go back and do an inventory of players who were on the field for the last snap and compare that to who plays in the next play. They can buzz down if that's not the same batch and make the penalty stiff. 15 yards and automatic first down or something. Further, if teams start subbing in some scrub for a play to go down with an injury, that will be shown on film and the league can penalize accordingly. If a group of guys are not starters and routinely get subbed in, only to go down with an injury on the first play, only to be fine later in the game and repeat, the league could call BS and fine a team. Mind you, this tactic has a built-in disadvantage, if a guy is bad enough that you really don't care about not being able to use him for the entire series, he's going to be a liability on that play. So, you're not going to waste your nickle or dime back because you might actually need them at some point in the drive. It's really going to have to be some special teams hack. This really seems like the only realistic way to stop something that is bound to become as widespread as the kicker freeze once teams realize how useful it is. Anyone who watched New England v Miami saw how badly Miami was being torched by that offense and you can be damned sure they'll try this next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice717 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7000274/...faking-injuries I'm pretty sure hospitals are loving this cause now teams will be sending their fake injured players for fake MRI's and fake x-rays so they don't lose draft picks. I can't wait for the first enforcement of this to go down... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Obviously, you've got two things in play here. One is that the league is rightly taking strides to protect the players, so anything that makes someone "prove" their really injured may be a bit counter productive to that end. On the other hand, this tactic obviously works well, so something needs to be done. I agree with making a player who is allegedly injured enough to warrant a stoppage of play to have to sit out the entire possession and that no substitutions other than that player are to be allowed. Sort of like icing in hockey where the offending team can't sub but the other team can. During the stoppage, the replay guys can go back and do an inventory of players who were on the field for the last snap and compare that to who plays in the next play. They can buzz down if that's not the same batch and make the penalty stiff. 15 yards and automatic first down or something. Further, if teams start subbing in some scrub for a play to go down with an injury, that will be shown on film and the league can penalize accordingly. If a group of guys are not starters and routinely get subbed in, only to go down with an injury on the first play, only to be fine later in the game and repeat, the league could call BS and fine a team. Mind you, this tactic has a built-in disadvantage, if a guy is bad enough that you really don't care about not being able to use him for the entire series, he's going to be a liability on that play. So, you're not going to waste your nickle or dime back because you might actually need them at some point in the drive. It's really going to have to be some special teams hack. This really seems like the only realistic way to stop something that is bound to become as widespread as the kicker freeze once teams realize how useful it is. Anyone who watched New England v Miami saw how badly Miami was being torched by that offense and you can be damned sure they'll try this next time. Yup. Make the rule simple - when a defensive player is injured enough to cause a stoppage in play when the offense is running a no huddle: 1) The defensive player will be disqualified from play for the remainder of that series 2) The only substitution allowed is for the injured player, otherwise it is an illegal substitution penalty with a 15 yard penalty and an automatic 1st down 3) Defensive players on the field are not allowed to huddle up, any huddle results in a 15 yard penalty and an automatic 1st down 4) Defensive players that are routinely disqualified from play because of injuries sustained during no huddle will result in fines for the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 The defensive coach who taught this should be fired, and I mean like right now. Not for teaching this practice, but for teaching it so poorly that two guys went down instead of one thereby exposing the perfidy. This is a simple enough thing to teach. That they could not get this simple thing right warns me that this coach is not getting his playeers to listen and to learn. He needs to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 It is truly disturbing that the league of Butkus, Nitschke, Bednarik, Ham, Lambert et al has devolved into a bunch of panty-waste soccer/Ginobili imitators. Do players these days really have so little pride? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 It is truly disturbing that the league of Butkus, Nitschke, Bednarik, Ham, Lambert et al has devolved into a bunch of panty-waste soccer/Ginobili imitators. Do players these days really have so little pride? The correct order is Nitschke, Lambert, Bednarick, Butkus, Ham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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