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Haley on the chopping block.


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This may change your mind.

 

 

The Kansas City Chiefs are in a very dark place, having been outscored 89-10 in two games (including Sunday’s 48-3 thrashing by the Lions). They’ve lost arguably their best defensive and offensive players, safety Eric Berry(notes) and reportedly halfback Jamaal Charles, to season-ending knee injuries, in consecutive weeks. That surprising AFC West title from last season seems like it happened about 100 years ago. So what now? Naturally, coach Todd Haley is feeling his rear end burn (in a figurative sense only, I hope). While Haley on the hot seat will strike most fans as odd – he was a legitimate coach of the year candidate in 2010, his second season in K.C. – people who know what’s going on inside the organization are nodding their heads unremarkably. That there is a lot of tension between Haley and his boss, general manager Scott Pioli, is the worst kept secret in NFL circles. The fact that they get along like vegetarians and Gates Barbecue shouldn’t be enough to get Haley fired, but the combination of that and a season from hell could certainly do the trick. Haley’s deal is up after 2012, so the Chiefs have to do something at the end of the year – extend him, or get rid of him – unless they’re fans of the lame-duck thing, which always works sooooo well in the NFL (see: Fox, John, Carolina 2010). At this rate, I’m not loving Haley’s chances of survival. We know Pioli’s not going to take the fall himself, and unless owner Clark Hunt decides he wants to get rid of both of them (don’t hold your breath), Haley likely will be the one to go. That’s too bad, for a number of reasons: 1) I think Haley’s a very good coach, though he’s habitually dissed in the media, a sign (I suspect) that someone in his organization whose name rhymes with cannoli likes to go off the record with certain reporters. 2) That whole “he’s a lousy offensive coach without Charlie Weis” is a laughable load of crap. Weis, who left for the University of Florida after a single season as the Chiefs’ offensive coordinator, was completely unenthused about the prospect of coaching Matt Cassel(notes). Haley stepped in, took the lead and helped Cassel play at an alarmingly high level that resulted in a stunning Pro Bowl selection. Haley, by the way, was a pretty good offensive coach when he was Ken Whisenhunt’s coordinator in Arizona and the Cardinals nearly won the Super Bowl three seasons ago. 3) I believe that if Pioli fires Haley, he’ll try to hire his old New England colleague Josh McDaniels, he of the disastrous tenure as Broncos head coach that included dubious personnel moves too numerous to mention, a cheating scandal and five victories in his final 22 games. When McDaniels, currently the Rams’ offensive coordinator, becomes K.C.’s next head coach, count on two things: I’ll remind you that you heard it here first and you’re going to be treated to a real diatribe.
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Seriously - what the hell does one expect with the formerly great O-line being diminshed by age/retirement/defection and then putting up Cassel as your franchise QB?

 

With Charles hurt, all those flaws are exposed. Cassel is okay when he doesn't need to do more than throw enough to keep LBs honest, but like Orton he can't lift his team into being better - he can only manage them. The mediocre D is getting exposed as well now that they don't have the running game to keep them off the field for stretches.

 

If anyone needs to go, its Pioli. It didn't take much to shed light on just how flawed and thin this team really is. They caught magic in a bottle last season. Now it's ugly.

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Seriously - what the hell does one expect with the formerly great O-line being diminshed by age/retirement/defection and then putting up Cassel as your franchise QB?

 

With Charles hurt, all those flaws are exposed. Cassel is okay when he doesn't need to do more than throw enough to keep LBs honest, but like Orton he can't lift his team into being better - he can only manage them. The mediocre D is getting exposed as well now that they don't have the running game to keep them off the field for stretches.

 

If anyone needs to go, its Pioli. It didn't take much to shed light on just how flawed and thin this team really is. They caught magic in a bottle last season. Now it's ugly.

 

this...i'm goin ta KC at the end of the month, i may skip the game and shop with my wife or go to a petting zoo

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McDaniels? Really?

 

I swear if this happens I am done with the Chiefs for good. Time to get fitted for my Packers jersey. Maybe the 5 year old is on to something.

 

 

:elbow aside an old lady to make room for CD on the bandwagon:

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If anyone needs to go, its Pioli. It didn't take much to shed light on just how flawed and thin this team really is.

 

 

You can't be serious.

 

Haley sucks.

 

There's actually some truth to this. His drafting has been inconsistent, and he still hasn't really drafted anyone of value for the O-line and D-line. He DID hire Haley in the first place, and has done little to nothing on the FA market despite having tons of cap room.

 

He has provided Haley no depth at all. Now, you could argue that Haley is to blame for not going harder in training camp, but heck, he may have seen the writing on the wall early. Meaning, I have to try and keep these guys healthy because I have NO margin for error in terms of depth.

 

Which could explain the friction between Haley and Pioli. Just guessing here.

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... and he still hasn't really drafted anyone of value for the O-line and D-line.

 

I no explaination for this other than maybe he just whiffed. It happens.

 

...and has done little to nothing on the FA market despite having tons of cap room.

 

He has provided Haley no depth at all.

 

RE: Pioli ... I've been quite surprised at both of these points.

 

The only thought I have in response is that Lamar Hunt is no longer the owner. His son, Clark is.

 

:wacko:

 

Here's to hoping we don't have a 30yr run w/ our version of Bidwell / Brown ... :puke:

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He has provided Haley no depth at all. Now, you could argue that Haley is to blame for not going harder in training camp, but heck, he may have seen the writing on the wall early. Meaning, I have to try and keep these guys healthy because I have NO margin for error in terms of depth.

Isn't the word that Haley was brutal on them in camp? Something about tracking the weight loss of the whole team with some huge goal in mind? That's where the initial friction between Bowe and Haley came from in the first place? I know they are screaming holy hell over the Moeaki and Cassel injuries in PSW4 - isn't this more of the same?

 

I do agree Pioli is more to blame than Haley but I think Haley's style just wasn't received well. Some guys can pull this hardass act off but most can't in today's NFL - and Haley was wrong place/wrong time/wrong team.

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