P3R3 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 So in a friends league 10 team standard scoring a trade just went through that has me thinking its collusion. 5th place 2-2 team trades with dead last 0-4 team. They are buddies and live in NYC, far away from the rest of our group in LA. Give: Cam Newton Get: Roddy White Matt Ryan Brandon Jacobs I guess it didn't get vetoed and the 0-4 team is our commissioner. I know two of us vetoed the trade, but it still went through. Rosters (Post Trade): Team A: QB Michael Vick (Phi - QB) WR Greg Jennings (GB - WR) WR Hines Ward (Pit - WR) WR Roddy White (Atl - WR) RB Ahmad Bradshaw (NYG - RB) RB Michael Turner (Atl - RB) TE Owen Daniels (Hou - TE) W/R/T LeGarrette Blount (TB - RB) K Sebastian Janikowski (Oak - K) DEF New England (NE - DEF) Team B: QB Cam Newton (Car - QB) WR Mike Wallace (Pit - WR) WR Eric Decker (Den - WR) WR Denarius Moore (Oak - WR) RB James Starks (GB - RB) RB Stevan Ridley (NE - RB) TE Jermichael Finley (GB - TE) W/R/T Mike Williams (TB - WR) K Stephen Gostkowski (NE - K) DEF Philadelphia (Phi - DEF) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 not collusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Matt Ryan and Roddy White are not "lighting it up" so to speak...Brandon Jacobs is hurt and looks to be more of a handcuff. Cam Newton on the side of the trade...not much to say. I would say it's an even trade with no collusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 What makes you think collusion? The fact that you think it is unbalanced? We all have our own opinions of player values, yours is not 'better' than theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricrelish Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 There's really no way to call this one collusion. It seems like a fair trade to me. Some folks don't think you have to have a stud QB to win. You can get by with a serviceable QB like Matt Ryan. Roddy White has huge upside considering he was incredible last season. This trade is fair to me. A scenario like Cam Netwon for Kyle Orton - now that would make me suspicious. The 0-4 team is smart to try something new cause things aren't working now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delfamdelfam Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Newton: 30.9 ppg White:15.5 Jacobs:10.38 Ryan: 19.54 seems to me it's alittle unfair, something like Newton for White/Ryan would be more fair, but you can't say it's collusion. With all the hype Newton has some people would be willing to give up a lot(like in this case) to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 This is exactly why it's moronic to vote on trades or have commissioner veto powers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosGatosEnFuegos Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Redraft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otis29 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I think it's a stretch to call it collusion based on the trade itself. Seems a bit lopsided, but who knows? These guy's proximity and friendship could mean collusion, or it could mean they trust each other more to make a fair deal. /shrug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 What Would Cunning Do? He'd probably side with the commish here, because obviously anyone who's risen to the prestigous role of basically being league-bitch, must surely know better than the common peasants what's best for everyone else's teams. If they're colluding here, then they're not that good at it... Or maybe they're so good, they were able to make it look like they weren't doing it, by making a trade that looks acceptable. These could be some real shady characters you're dealing with to pull off a legitimately fair trade like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Newton: 30.9 ppg White:15.5 Jacobs:10.38 Ryan: 19.54 seems to me it's alittle unfair, something like Newton for White/Ryan would be more fair, but you can't say it's collusion. With all the hype Newton has some people would be willing to give up a lot(like in this case) to get him. You can not use ppg when comparing two different possessions !! If you are going to try and use them then you have to do it like this Newton's ppg is xx ppg above or below average QB White's ppg game is xx ppg above or below average WR that is not even correct but gives you a better gauge because in many leagues especially 6pts per passing TD 5th tier QB will out score the a 1st tier RB or WR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 If anybody here expects Newton to keep up this ridiculous pace, you are nuts. Perfect time to buy low on White/Ryan as Turner is averaging a measly 2.something Per Carry. I think the new Ryan/White owner is the smart one in this trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbass24 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 No Collusion. I just think, he gave up on Ryan and White to fast and is buying a ticket to the Newton Hype Train....Which I'm on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 If any trade I ever did got vetoed, I would leave the league immediately. Collusion does happen, but it looks A LOT worse than this trade does. If you let an owner play in your league, you have to let him run his team as he sees fit. Judge your own team, and leave him to judging his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I think the new Ryan/White owner is the smart one in this trade. I do too but to the point, it's ridiculous to assume this trade represents collusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I can't see the collusion here. I'd have some choice words for the message board if it were my league, but that's about where I'd leave it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I wish guys who start these threads were somehow obliged to share the "findings" with their league mates rather than only doing so when it fits their opinion. In other words, don't be a dooosh. If this is collusion, it's the kind that could so easily backfire. Sure, Newton is not likely to keep it up, but why not? They can't stop anyone and the kid is a freak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondString Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 What makes you think collusion? The fact that you think it is unbalanced? We all have our own opinions of player values, yours is not 'better' than theirs. This...nothing wrong with that trade. The only problem with anything you put forth is that two people vetoed it in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yilduz Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 (edited) Newton: 30.9 ppg White:15.5 Jacobs:10.38 Ryan: 19.54 seems to me it's alittle unfair, something like Newton for White/Ryan would be more fair, but you can't say it's collusion. With all the hype Newton has some people would be willing to give up a lot(like in this case) to get him. Well, I think giving up Newton for only White/Ryan based on those numbers would not be smart. You have to look at who he is benching/dropping for Jacobs and White, too. One player worth x is never the same value as two players combined worth x, because that one player worth x, plus pretty much any random player capable of scoring points (y) is more valuable on your roster than the two combined scoring x. x+y > x; unless y is a negative number, of course. :P Edited October 8, 2011 by yilduz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 x+y > x; unless y is a negative number, of course. :P Also when y=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yilduz Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Also when y=0 touche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboysDiehard Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I fail to see the problem here. An owner with a 3-1 record in one of my leagues put Cam on the block seeking RB/WR help (Brees is his other QB). I'm 0-4, and offered him Blount, Schaub, and Julio Jones in return. I have R White and would consider placing him in the mix, in place of Jones. I do this because I have Foster, and would like to pair Cam with him as my keeper for next season. Perhaps I may still make a little noise this year, too. We'll see what comes back (if anything). So, I think this deal is right in line with the one I'm considering. Maybe I'm giving a little more than I would if I'm 4-0, but with the keeper rules in my league, and in my current situation (would have to go 7-2 to get into the playoffs in all likelyhood), I'm doing the right thing IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 He'd probably side with the commish here, because obviously anyone who's risen to the prestigous role of basically being league-bitch, must surely know better than the common peasants what's best for everyone else's teams. You wanna piece of me? Is that it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winks Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 No Collusion. I just think, he gave up on Ryan and White to fast and is buying a ticket to the Newton Hype Train....Which I'm on... +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winks Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 If any trade I ever did got vetoed, I would leave the league immediately. +10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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