CurlyDumps Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Al Davis lives! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Al Davis lives! At least his legacy does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 He's an old 31, man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 A steep price to pay, but Palmer is a good fit for the Raiders. They already have a solid O-Line and strong running game to go along with dangerous, but young WRs. Palmer is a definite upgrade over Boller and very well could be an upgrade over Campbell. Probably not as prone to making the dumb mistake although not as mobile. Is his arm strength really that diminished? Seemed like he used to throw the deep ball pretty well during Ochocinco's prime. I know he had elbow surgery but at least in baseball, pitchers often come back just as strong or stronger after surgery. Any time a Charger fan thinks its a good move for the Raiders, we know it's going to stink.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 But he still managed over 3,000 yards & 20 TDs each of the past 2 years, in a bad situation. The '09 playoff team was centered around Benson Benson Benson and the offensive scheme called for Palmer to manage games, not win them with his arm. That's b/c he's not that good anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 for a #1 pick? likely to be a mid-teens selection...good to know the Raiders are doing what they can to win now and stay in the hunt, but that seems steep....especially on the news that Campbell is due back in 6 weeks'ish. Possibly evidence that those estiames on Campbell's return are overly optimistic, and that they don't have a lot of faith in Boller. Another interesting part of this is what happens in 2012? Who is the starer, who is the backup, are both (Palmer and Campbell) in the mix, or even with the Raiders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WashingtonD Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Palmer is under contract till 2014 I think....Campbell is a free agent next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 mentioned here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 What does this do for the Raider WR's, specifically DHB? He could be a legit # 2 going forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I don't disagree that his stock took a hit after the leg injury, but let's face it, their OL was terrible and for a non-mobile QB, he was getting killed. The Raiders OL is, in my biased opinion, the most improved in the NFL. And yes, Ochocinco & Owens & Housh were talented. WERE. They were also mostly awful people to have chirping in your ear every damned play. But he still managed over 3,000 yards & 20 TDs each of the past 2 years, in a bad situation. The '09 playoff team was centered around Benson Benson Benson and the offensive scheme called for Palmer to manage games, not win them with his arm. Wow. 1) Carson enjoyed some of the best pass protection in the league for most of his career. Look it up. 2) Housh was a class act who made headlines for playing hard. 3) Owens came to the Bengals largely based on Palmer's desire for him to be there. 4) And as has been mentioned, he lost a bit more of his edge after each injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgugs Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Wow. 1) Carson enjoyed some of the best pass protection in the league for most of his career. Look it up. 2) Housh was a class act who made headlines for playing hard. 3) Owens came to the Bengals largely based on Palmer's desire for him to be there. 4) And as has been mentioned, he lost a bit more of his edge after each injury. Wow. 1. for most of his career? you mean for his 1st 4 years. then he got hurt (granted, on a cheap late hit) and was never the same. but their OL in his last few years was NOT great 2. I didn't include Housh, who was gone by 2009, the 2 years we've been discussing here 3. that's all well & good, but Owens is a enchilada and it couldn't possibly have been easy for ANY QB to deal with both he & Chad 4. not disagreeing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBroncos Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 What does this do for the Raider WR's, specifically DHB? He could be a legit # 2 going forward? Personally, I think the receiver that gets the best boost is Ford with the deep ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 AFC West just got interesting for us Charger fans. Haven't had a prime name QB in the division since Cutler left. Sorry, but Cassel, Russell, Campbell, Orton, and Tebow don't scare anyone. Not that Carson scares anyone that much anymore, but at least he's more than a journeyman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Personally, I think the receiver that gets the best boost is Ford with the deep ball. Not crazy. I think they could both have upside. DHB has at least 82 yards and 7 targets in his last 3 games. I think both see a rise in value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Carson Palmer is TERRIBLE. He doesn't step into throws or play with any confidence whatsoever. At QB, that is more important than smarts or accuracy. I literally would not give a 4th rounder if it meant that Carson Palmer was my QB until 2014. Somebody with the Raiders made this trade based on name recognition and not from watching game tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Wow. 1. for most of his career? you mean for his 1st 4 years. then he got hurt (granted, on a cheap late hit) and was never the same. but their OL in his last few years was NOT great You Clearly didn't look it up. Based on sacks allowed, the Bengal line was consistently in the top 3rd for allowing the fewest sacks. This while playing the Steelers and Baltimore twice every year. He had great protection. 2. I didn't include Housh, who was gone by 2009, the 2 years we've been discussing here I don't disagree that his stock took a hit after the leg injury, but let's face it, their OL was terrible and for a non-mobile QB, he was getting killed. The Raiders OL is, in my biased opinion, the most improved in the NFL. And yes, Ochocinco & Owens & Housh were talented. WERE. They were also mostly awful people to have chirping in your ear every damned play. But he still managed over 3,000 yards & 20 TDs each of the past 2 years, in a bad situation. The '09 playoff team was centered around Benson Benson Benson and the offensive scheme called for Palmer to manage games, not win them with his arm. 3. that's all well & good, but Owens is a enchilada and it couldn't possibly have been easy for ANY QB to deal with both he & Chad Too bad he recruited him then. Any trouble Palmer had by having Owens on the team was his own fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nat559 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 The conditional pick in 2013 that the Bengals acquired in Tuesday's Carson Palmer trade will be a first-rounder if the Raiders win one playoff game. - Roto That's very, very conditional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgugs Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 - Roto That's very, very conditional. a playoff game when? in 2011? 2012? either/or? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I literally would not give a 4th rounder if it meant that Carson Palmer was my QB until 2014. I agree with this sentiment although we could argue the round of the pick. I just can't believe that Carson Palmer at this point in his career is worth a first round pick , let alone a 1st plus a conditional pick. It seems to me that the Raiders have overvalued their current standing and would have really benefited from a year or two more of building through the draft. Right now, if anything happens to McFadden this team is completely cooked. They need depth to continue the rebuilding - mortgaging high-value draft picks seems very shortsighted when you're clearly more than one puzzle piece away from a complete team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsosi Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 when they could've had Orton for one 5th. do we really believe the Broncos would have traded Orton inside their own division? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Hasn't been the same since he was injured. He had some decent players. Bengals made the playoffs a couple years ago. He has never been the same since those injuries. Arm strength and accuracy: gone. What a horrendous move by the Raiduhs. Nothing left of the 2012 draft and didn't even get Ricky Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Raiders overestimate their "win-now" chances. If anything, they should have made a deal withthe Patriots for Ryan Mallet. Better long term prospect and would have cost less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 a playoff game when? in 2011? 2012? either/or? This year according to Mort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 so if they don't win playoff game, it's 2012 1st round and 2013 2nd rounder? No other conditions? still way too steep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Raiders overestimate their "win-now" chances. If anything, they should have made a deal withthe Patriots for Ryan Mallet. Better long term prospect and would have cost less. u serious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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