MrTed46 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Ronnie Brown, RB PHI News: The Eagles announced at Tuesday's trade deadline that they traded RB Ronnie Brown to Detroit in exchange for a 2013 draft pick and RB Jerome Harrison. Brown could be in line for a decent role right away for Detroit with Jahvid Best dealing with a concussion. Per CBS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandslater Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I won Jahvid and was about to pick up Jerome when I saw on yahoo that they traded for Ronnie Brown. What do you guys think, should we consider Ronnie the immediate backup for Jahvid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Wow, welcome back to fantasy relevancy Ronnie Brown. Even if Best isn't out that long, I think he brings exactly what Detroit has been lacking in, and what they were hoping to get out of LeShoure: a guy who can run between the tackles, pick up short yardage and take advantage of the attention Calvin gets in the redzone. That huge rushing game from Best was definitely an anamoly, IMO, he's just not a between-the-tackles runner, and more of a specialist in the passing game a la Reggie Bush. Especially with the concussions likely to limit his touches, I think this could be a very good opportunity for Brown to have some RB3/flex/bye upside if not better. Maurice Morris and Williams aren't good enough to keep the ball out of his hands. Edited October 18, 2011 by delusions of granduer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Do people really expect the guy to come in, practice for a couple of days and then take over the starting job of Best is out? Sure Harrison is out of the pictures since he was traded to PHI (who had him last year in a trade with the Browns (think it was for Mike Bell). But I still expect Morris and Williams to get most of the work for this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Do people really expect the guy to come in, practice for a couple of days and then take over the starting job of Best is out? Sure Harrison is out of the pictures since he was traded to PHI (who had him last year in a trade with the Browns (think it was for Mike Bell). But I still expect Morris and Williams to get most of the work for this week. They are on bye this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) They are on bye this week. You sure about that, Lions, week 7 vs. Atlanta is what my NFL schedule shows. Detroit's bye is in week 9 Hmm I guess you were talking about Philly who is on BYE. But the question was about Brown and his value in Detroit. Edited October 18, 2011 by stevegrab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 You sure about that, Lions, week 7 vs. Atlanta is what my NFL schedule shows. Detroit's bye is in week 9 Hmm I guess you were talking about Philly who is on BYE. But the question was about Brown and his value in Detroit. Wow yeah that's bad, was just looking at my roster and had Buffalo on my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Do people really expect the guy to come in, practice for a couple of days and then take over the starting job of Best is out? Did'nt Brown play for Linehan in Miami? edit: not saying he's gonna be the guy there...actually not expecting him to do much. Just saying he should have a head start on the playbook Edited October 18, 2011 by HowboutthemCowboys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Am I really the only one who thinks Brown could do well in Detroit? Teams can't stack the box on him with their passing game and weapons, even in the redzone, so I'd expect to see his 3.0 average go up compared to a situation where teams leave a spy in for Vick and can't commit too much to coverage. Not saying he's going to end up near the top at RB from here on out, but rather than picking up lottery tickets you might never be able to cash in, I think you could do a lot worse on the WW than to take a safer flier to at least not put up a goose-egg now that byes have hit, and if he gets enough goal-line looks on a team that can score could be more than serviceable. Also honest question in regard to stevegrab's comments, does it really take that long to get a north-south type runner like him ready to play? I'd imagine there are plenty of easy plays that you can call up right away that wouldn't interfere with your offensive gameplan (i.e., "run this way" or "pick up the blitz"). Yeah, it might limit his snaps and he might be a poor play anyway this week vs the Falcons rush D that can be stingy at times, but going forward I think he's well worth the flier with little competition for a majority of meaningful snaps.. It's not like RBs with that chance grow on trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Am I really the only one who thinks Brown could do well in Detroit? Teams can't stack the box on him with their passing game and weapons, even in the redzone, so I'd expect to see his 3.0 average go up compared to a situation where teams leave a spy in for Vick and can't commit too much to coverage. Not saying he's going to end up near the top at RB from here on out, but rather than picking up lottery tickets you might never be able to cash in, I think you could do a lot worse on the WW than to take a safer flier to at least not put up a goose-egg now that byes have hit, and if he gets enough goal-line looks on a team that can score could be more than serviceable. Also honest question in regard to stevegrab's comments, does it really take that long to get a north-south type runner like him ready to play? I'd imagine there are plenty of easy plays that you can call up right away that wouldn't interfere with your offensive gameplan (i.e., "run this way" or "pick up the blitz"). Yeah, it might limit his snaps and he might be a poor play anyway this week vs the Falcons rush D that can be stingy at times, but going forward I think he's well worth the flier with little competition for a majority of meaningful snaps.. It's not like RBs with that chance grow on trees. You're talking like Best has been IRed. He's still the lead back, right? I understand he might miss a game or two, but I would still expect him to start for this team. RB would take some carries and possibly all GL carries, but Best is still the back to own. He just goes from a great #2 RB to a questionable #2 and more like a #3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 You're talking like Best has been IRed. He's still the lead back, right? I understand he might miss a game or two, but I would still expect him to start for this team. RB would take some carries and possibly all GL carries, but Best is still the back to own. He just goes from a great #2 RB to a questionable #2 and more like a #3. During bye week season, 6 teams at a time, 1 or 2 starts is pure gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 You're talking like Best has been IRed. He's still the lead back, right? I understand he might miss a game or two, but I would still expect him to start for this team. RB would take some carries and possibly all GL carries, but Best is still the back to own. He just goes from a great #2 RB to a questionable #2 and more like a #3. Like I said earlier, I expect that his touches will be scaled back and he'll be eased back in when he returns, and they use him more to his strengths in the passing game rather than trying to make him something he's not in a lead runner. Between his durability/concussion questions and the fact that he's never been able to run consistently between the tackles, I see him more like a Reggie Bush (perhaps even a poor man's Reggie Bush depending on workload) than a Darren Sproles right now. And that may even be conservative for all I know. The NFL is very serious about concussions, and 2 in a year for a guy who's had a history of them doesn't make me think they're going to push him anywhere near his limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I won Jahvid and was about to pick up Jerome when I saw on yahoo that they traded for Ronnie Brown. What do you guys think, should we consider Ronnie the immediate backup for Jahvid? No. Maurice Morris is the starting running back if Best cannot play. I don't know what Brown has left in the tank. It may be that he does supplant Morris as the #2 RB, but the Lions aren't just going to hand him the gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) No. Maurice Morris is the starting running back if Best cannot play. I don't know what Brown has left in the tank. It may be that he does supplant Morris as the #2 RB, but the Lions aren't just going to hand him the gig. How has Morris been in pass protection, because Brown pass-protects well (obviously important on that pass-first offense) and is familiar with Linehan's system. I haven't heard anything out of Detroit that suggests that you're excited about Morris, so is it not at very least Brown's for the taking at this point? Edited October 18, 2011 by delusions of granduer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 How has Morris been in pass protection, because Brown pass-protects well (obviously important on that pass-first offense) and is familiar with Linehan's system. I haven't heard anything out of Detroit that suggests that you're excited about Morris, so is it not at very least Brown's for the taking at this point? I don't think that anyone is overly excited by Morris, but the Lions are comfortable with him in the backfield. He has good pass protection skills and he is fairly versatile. I've not been paying much attention to the Eagles, but I don't think that Brown has shown much this year. I think that its Morris' job to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Really solid pick up for Detroit here. He's a good athlete that has lost a bit of a step obviously, but he gives them an all purpose threat that should do well with what they give him. His weeks running the Wildcat was pretty impressive in Miami. I've always liked him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Do people really think Morris starts in place of Best, should Best miss time? They might roll with Morris for week 7 to let Brown get familiar with the playbook. But don't fool yourselves here, Morris couldn't hold Brown's jock. Brown is the backup to Best now that he's a Lion without question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Couch Potatoe Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Meh...... ever since the lis franc injury he has never been the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gallagorilla Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Do people really think Morris starts in place of Best, should Best miss time? They might roll with Morris for week 7 to let Brown get familiar with the playbook. But don't fool yourselves here, Morris couldn't hold Brown's jock. Brown is the backup to Best now that he's a Lion without question. agreed. morris sucks donkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) Also honest question in regard to stevegrab's comments, does it really take that long to get a north-south type runner like him ready to play? I'd imagine there are plenty of easy plays that you can call up right away that wouldn't interfere with your offensive gameplan (i.e., "run this way" or "pick up the blitz"). Yeah, it might limit his snaps and he might be a poor play anyway this week vs the Falcons rush D that can be stingy at times, but going forward I think he's well worth the flier with little competition for a majority of meaningful snaps.. It's not like RBs with that chance grow on trees. It may not take a long time to learn the plays, but it will take some time. I cannot remember a RB being traded 6 weeks into the season and suddenly producing decent fantasy stats. Assuming Best is out this week, Morris starts, Brown gets a little work. Then maybe Best is out again week 8 and they have a 50/50 split. Week 9 is the bye, week 10 Best is back. Brown will not offer much value unless Best is out and he can move past Morris to be the replacement. I just don't see how that suddenly makes him fantasy relavent to use your words. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a look, monitor his progress, claim him an stash on deep rosters. But no way would I be expecting any sort of regular fantasy production and a possible fantasy starter in the coming weeks. (Unless it is a huge league, many byes/ijuries.) One more thing, on the bolded part, that statement makes it sound like Best is out for the year. Which doesn't seem likely. If you do believe it will happen I can see why you are so optimistic about Brown. Edited October 19, 2011 by stevegrab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes Like More Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 There is a reason why Leshoure was drafted when he was. This team would love to have a back run between the tackles back in a 2 TE set. Brown fits the bill. I like the trade. Best is still RB1, but Brown can and will contribute. Maybe not this week, but he will contribute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooomsday Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) Wasnt this Best's 2nd concussion this season.. and even more since college? I like Brown to play a decent roll here. And I think Best could miss more time than some may think. They wanted Brown for a reason. Edited October 19, 2011 by Dooomsday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanTheMan_5 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) Wasnt this Best's 2nd concussion this season.. and even more since college? I like Brown to play a decent roll here. And I think Best could miss more time than some may think. They wanted Brown for a reason. This is my concern as well, and I think Lions management agrees. Just the fact that they went after Ronnie Brown tells me that Best may be worse off than we all feared. I hope I'm wrong, but these concussions don't just stop. I still have 1995 nightmares of Rams QB Chris Miller showing such promise only to get a concussion every time a fly landed on his helmet. Edited October 19, 2011 by DanTheMan_5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 I still have 1995 nightmares of Rams QB Chris Miller showing such promise only to get a concussion every time a fly landed on his helmet. Best had his head driven into the ground by a defender pretty hard and more than once. I thought he showed toughness getting up from it. Looked like the kind of stuff that would concuss anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanTheMan_5 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) Best had his head driven into the ground by a defender pretty hard and more than once. I thought he showed toughness getting up from it. Looked like the kind of stuff that would concuss anyone. I understand that, and perhaps I should be more clear. It seems to me that once you start getting concussions, it seems to take less and less of a hit to deliver another one. I'm no expert on concussions, it just seems like everyone who has more than 2 or 3 never stops getting them. My concern with best is that he might start getting concussions with lesser hits. Edited October 19, 2011 by DanTheMan_5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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