vexco Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 (edited) Should rosters be locked at the start of the first sets of games each week? The issue arises from someone in my league dropping/adding a player at 7pm tonight when they haven't paid attention the entire week(note: I am not the commish). I call BS and I feel like I have the rest of the league against me except for the guy who's going against the guy in the situation, obviously. I just feel like you shouldn't be able to add/drop anyone after the games have started, regardless of if they've yet to play. Any other input? Flame away if you wish. I'm just genuinely curious about other peoples stance on this. edit: it changed the outcome of tonights game if that makes any difference Edited October 25, 2011 by vexco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 players should be locked at the start of their own games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 your league rules are your league rules....change them prior to the start of the season if you don't like them...and there are leagues that lock all starters at the start of the 1st game of the week...others that allow you to change players prior to their game starting (ie: MNF)...some that run waivers just once a week, some that have 1st come 1st serve up to kickoff of first game...some that keep it open thru all games...like I said, you play by the rules your league has and if you don't like them you lobby to change them prior to start of next season and if you still don't like it then you find another league to play in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsosi Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 All FAs should be placed on waivers at the start of the first game of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexco Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 your league rules are your league rules....change them prior to the start of the season if you don't like them...and there are leagues that lock all starters at the start of the 1st game of the week...others that allow you to change players prior to their game starting (ie: MNF)...some that run waivers just once a week, some that have 1st come 1st serve up to kickoff of first game...some that keep it open thru all games...like I said, you play by the rules your league has and if you don't like them you lobby to change them prior to start of next season and if you still don't like it then you find another league to play in. yes, this isn't an indictment of my leagues rules but i was just curious to see what others think about it. an issue i didn't see arising and all that taco but i have lobbied to have the rule changed for next season >.< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Couch Potatoe Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 (edited) your league rules are your league rules....change them prior to the start of the season if you don't like them...and there are leagues that lock all starters at the start of the 1st game of the week...others that allow you to change players prior to their game starting (ie: MNF)...some that run waivers just once a week, some that have 1st come 1st serve up to kickoff of first game...some that keep it open thru all games...like I said, you play by the rules your league has and if you don't like them you lobby to change them prior to start of next season and if you still don't like it then you find another league to play in. This and nothing else..... You don't like your rules lobby to have them changed next year. It does not matter what others think of YOUR rules that's why there's the old saying to each his own! Edited October 25, 2011 by Sunday Couch Potatoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosGatosEnFuegos Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 I'll say this, my local used to lock all FAs at the start of the first game of the week. With the onset of so many Thursday night games, I ran into a situation where one of my WRs was hurt in practice on Friday & I could not fill that spot in my lineup due to byes. We took a vote at the draft the next year & changed it so that FAs do not lock until their game starts. I think this is a better way of doing things. I don't really see what your complaint is. It doesn't matter how long he delayed to pick up a FA. He gains no unfair advantage by being able to pick up a player whose game had not yet started, whether it's at 12:59 on Sunday or 7pm on Monday. He missed out on the best FAs in waivers/blind bidding because he wasn't paying attention. If he truly wasn't making a move until Monday night because he forgot, he is punished by having only two teams to choose a FA from. Who cares whether he picks up his scraps on Sunday morning or Monday night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 What do your rules say? Personally I prefer the freedom to make roster moves until an individual player's game has started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 I don't understand what the big flaming burrito is wrong with the way you have it. Does it really matter if an owner picks up a 4th string WR on Sunday at noon vs. Sunday at 4:00? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slambo Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 (edited) Should rosters be locked at the start of the first sets of games each week? The issue arises from someone in my league dropping/adding a player at 7pm tonight when they haven't paid attention the entire week(note: I am not the commish). Did the waiver move involve players on the two teams playing Monday night and did ithe moves occur before the game started?. If so, I do not see a problem. Apparently he was paying attention tonight. Edited October 25, 2011 by slambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny2fngrs Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I am not a fan of any rule that can give another owner an unfair advantage. If your league doesn't allow you to drop a player that has played that could be completely unfair. For instance, in the late game in week 6 when Felix Jones gets hurt and Murray takes over. Chances are Murray was a FA in most leagues and I would have been chapped had all my players been finished and some owner with LT on their bench snags him up Sunday night and me never having an opportunity to get him. There are plenty of non standard rules in different leagues and if owners like them that is all that matters but I am not a fan of rules that can give one owner an unfair advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 All the posts saying "your rules are your rules" are right. If your post was merely to have a discussion of possible ways to handle this and the pros & cons you needed to be more clear. Because otherwise your post does sound like "these rules are unfair and we need to change them" without mentiong AFTER THIS SEASON. Personally I don't like allowing roster moves once the bulk of games have started. Line-ups lock 5 minutes before kickoff and add/drop are as follows (from our league rules) Add/Drop Deadline Transactions will lock five minutes before the first game on Sunday. Players whose teams play before Sunday will be locked for the remainder of the scoring period. So Thursday games do not lock the entire league and cause issues that some mention. Allowing a guy with a player who hasn't played yet (or on bye) to be dropped for add another player Sunday evening is giving some teams and unfair advantage, and allowing them to pickup somebody that could make a big difference all season. Of course having a decent waiver system can also help address those issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnLefty Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 All the posts saying "your rules are your rules" are right. If your post was merely to have a discussion of possible ways to handle this and the pros & cons you needed to be more clear. Because otherwise your post does sound like "these rules are unfair and we need to change them" without mentiong AFTER THIS SEASON. Personally I don't like allowing roster moves once the bulk of games have started. Line-ups lock 5 minutes before kickoff and add/drop are as follows (from our league rules) Add/Drop Deadline Transactions will lock five minutes before the first game on Sunday. Players whose teams play before Sunday will be locked for the remainder of the scoring period. So Thursday games do not lock the entire league and cause issues that some mention. Allowing a guy with a player who hasn't played yet (or on bye) to be dropped for add another player Sunday evening is giving some teams and unfair advantage, and allowing them to pickup somebody that could make a big difference all season. Of course having a decent waiver system can also help address those issues. This is how our league does it as well and I am satisfied with the system being fair for everyone. Blind bid waivers process Thursday 10am... First come first serve after that up until 5 min before first game Sunday. Thursday players lock through the scoring period. Everyone gets a shot this way at the flavor of the week through the blind bid system, and nobody gets screwed during the games... if you can't plan ahead by Sunday noon you don't deserve the leg up by making changes Sunday night or Monday. Lineups can be changed up until individual players game time, but no roster moves once the bulk of games start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddahj Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 players should be locked at the start of their own games. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 (edited) In my leagues, ALL transactions lock 5 mins prior to the first games on sunday. If an owner hasnt made a move by then, he is SOL for that week. ETA: players in thurs or sat games lock 5 mins prior to those games and stay locked through the remainder of the games that week. Edited October 26, 2011 by Delicious_bass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 (edited) All the posts saying "your rules are your rules" are right. If your post was merely to have a discussion of possible ways to handle this and the pros & cons you needed to be more clear. Because otherwise your post does sound like "these rules are unfair and we need to change them" without mentiong AFTER THIS SEASON. Personally I don't like allowing roster moves once the bulk of games have started. Line-ups lock 5 minutes before kickoff and add/drop are as follows (from our league rules) Add/Drop Deadline Transactions will lock five minutes before the first game on Sunday. Players whose teams play before Sunday will be locked for the remainder of the scoring period. So Thursday games do not lock the entire league and cause issues that some mention. Allowing a guy with a player who hasn't played yet (or on bye) to be dropped for add another player Sunday evening is giving some teams and unfair advantage, and allowing them to pickup somebody that could make a big difference all season. Of course having a decent waiver system can also help address those issues. We lock add/drops at 12:55pm on Sundays. On weeks with Thursday and/or Saturday games, only the players involved in those games are locked at their kickoffs. Thurdsay games are an annoyance, but the negatives of locking all players on Thursday far outweigh the positives. For one: Official injury reports are released by teams on Friday. It would be horrible to disallow add/drops before those reports are published. Two: Frankly, people simply have more time on Fridays and Saturdays to scour the waiver wire, negotiate trades and study their rosters and situation. Locking everything up on Thursday would simply remove a lot of the FUN of participating in fantasy football. How boring it would become. We are doing this for fun, correct? Finally, some people love to check the inactives and last minute updates on Sunday mornings. It has become a fall ritual in our house with me and my sons. Wouldn't it be sad to remove that element of the fun? Leagues that lock everything on Thurday nights are just no fun, too serious, have mangers have poles stuck up their arsses, etc., etc. Edited October 26, 2011 by Dcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan13 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 So Thursday games do not lock the entire league and cause issues that some mention. Allowing a guy with a player who hasn't played yet (or on bye) to be dropped for add another player Sunday evening is giving some teams and unfair advantage, and allowing them to pickup somebody that could make a big difference all season. Of course having a decent waiver system can also help address those issues. [/quote Counterpoint - If you don't allow anyone to be added or dropped after kickoff of the first game then you are creating an unfair advantage for east coast teams/players that play the bulk of their games at 1pm. Its much easier to handle Brandon Jacobs in a 1pm Sunday game as questionable when inactives come through 1 hour before add/drop lock then it would be for Beanie Wells playing at 4 when you won't know if his is active until after your rosters are locked. My big concern with allowing add/drops during the Sunday games would be if active players were allowed to be claimed during or after their game. I think it would be unfair/silly if you could put a clainm in for Murray during his 250 yard performance. However maintaining some degree of roster flexibility for late games is fair IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Money Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Should rosters be locked at the start of the first sets of games each week? The issue arises from someone in my league dropping/adding a player at 7pm tonight when they haven't paid attention the entire week(note: I am not the commish). I call BS and I feel like I have the rest of the league against me except for the guy who's going against the guy in the situation, obviously. I just feel like you shouldn't be able to add/drop anyone after the games have started, regardless of if they've yet to play. Any other input? Flame away if you wish. I'm just genuinely curious about other peoples stance on this. edit: it changed the outcome of tonights game if that makes any difference It seems that you have a issue between owners that pay attention and want to have the ability to add a player if an injury report comes through right before late games, and owners who just don't pay attention. My leagues all have their players lock at each players game times and I do feel that this is the fairest way to do lineups. If you are concerned that another owner isn't paying attention during bye weeks. I would ask the league to include a rule that when the first set of Sunday games start any player on a bye in the starting lineup would be locked for the week and not able to be changed for a bench position player. If an owner hasn't updated their lineup before the Sunday games start they should be penalized for not paying attention, but owners who want to change their lineups due to injuries would still be able to make that change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 So Thursday games do not lock the entire league and cause issues that some mention. Allowing a guy with a player who hasn't played yet (or on bye) to be dropped for add another player Sunday evening is giving some teams and unfair advantage, and allowing them to pickup somebody that could make a big difference all season. Of course having a decent waiver system can also help address those issues. Counterpoint - If you don't allow anyone to be added or dropped after kickoff of the first game then you are creating an unfair advantage for east coast teams/players that play the bulk of their games at 1pm. Its much easier to handle Brandon Jacobs in a 1pm Sunday game as questionable when inactives come through 1 hour before add/drop lock then it would be for Beanie Wells playing at 4 when you won't know if his is active until after your rosters are locked. My big concern with allowing add/drops during the Sunday games would be if active players were allowed to be claimed during or after their game. I think it would be unfair/silly if you could put a clainm in for Murray during his 250 yard performance. However maintaining some degree of roster flexibility for late games is fair IMO. I think some (not necessarrily you) may have misunderstood me. If there is a Thursday game all players are not locked at that point. As I stated in my previous post Add/Drop Deadline Transactions will lock five minutes before the first game on Sunday. Players whose teams play before Sunday will be locked for the remainder of the scoring period. When there are Thursday (or Saturday) games, only players involved in those games are locked before 12:55 on Sunday. As far as the issue with inactives for 4PM games vs. 1PM games, if you have a player that is in a 4PM and is a likely GTD, you have to be prepared with another player available at 4PM (or SNF/MNF) to swap with them. Or go with a safer option at 1PM. It isn't that hard to do, and our large rosters allow for the extra spots to deal with it. I'm not saying it is the best or only way to do it, just what we feel works for us and is fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Is your league one of the few left that still use a paper and pencil to record each win/loss each week or do you use a on-line commissioner service? If you have an on-line commissioner service such as myfantasyleague.com, then any owner wouldn't be permitted to do a waiver that they shouldn't be permitted to. Btw, if that player's game hasn't started, what's the problem with an owner changing a lineup? If the dude doesn't log in until the games begin or doesn't follow his team as much as the next guy doesn't seem to be the issue here. It may be an issue with you. There will always be some guy in your league that may not be near a computer on Sunday afternoon(s) for many reasons. Maybe he's visiting his grandmother in the hospital, or maybe he's at a football game. If a player's game hasn't started, I think it shouldn't be a problem if the player is added or dropped from a starting lineup. Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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