Scorcher Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) I was feeling like Jum said that Big Ben was going to see his last big game this past weekend. But after watching the game this weekend I am having second thoughts. He seemed real comfortable in the passing game and I thought all his receivers were outstanding. Keeping in mind how Az played against the Ravens, I think Ben will be okay the rest of the season and will have a great rest of the season.What do you guys think? Edited November 2, 2011 by Scorcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Rodgers Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I was feeling like Jum said that Big Ben was going to see his last big game this past weekend. But after watching the game this weekend I am having second thoughts. He seemed real comfortable in the passing game and I thought all his receivers were outstanding. Keeping in mind how Az played against the Ravens, I think Ben will be okay the rest of the season and will have a great rest of the season.What do you guys think? I think he is good for 250 and 2 TD's per game going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityOfChampions Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Ben has never had this much talent at the receiver position. No one expected Brown and Sanders to catch on to the system as fast as they have. Wallace, Brown and Sanders are so good, Ward has become an afterthought. If a defense wants to take away the deep threat by doubling up on Wallace, Ben focuses on Heath, Brown and/or Sanders. If they play a tight zone or man-to-man, Ben won't hesitate to go deep to Wallace. The key to Bens success is the offensive line. They did a good job protecting him last week. If they stay healthy and keep the sacks down, Ben is going to continue to put up great numbers. I think 250-270yds and 2TD's/game is very realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I agree that it's about protection, and I don't think the Steelers O line will provide that against the Ravens' rush. Roths will be a very solid #1 QB for the year, but in some games, as this one against the Ravens, I'm looking at starting my QB2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUMbotron Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) He's never been good for steady 270 & 2 TDs per game. Those are Brees/Rogers numbers. It's up and down for Ben. Sell high. Since 2008 Ben has 21 games <18 fp Brees has 10 games <18 fp Rogers has 7 games <18fp Ben has 21 games 24> fp Brees has 29 games 24> fp Rogers has 27 games 24> fp Next 5 weeks: Baltimore (ranked 2nd vs QBs), at Cincinnati (5th), bye week, at Kansas City (17th), and vs. Cincinnati (5th) again. Edited November 2, 2011 by JUMbotron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 He's not Brees/Rodgers good, but considering where he could be drafted (I got him consistently in the 7th-10th rounds this year), he's a steal. He was 4th in QB fantasy points per game last year, and 6th the year before. Not bad, considering he is drafted much later than the 4th-6th QB in most drafts. I'm sure he'll have a game or two against tougher defenses where he might struggle to put up 275/2, but I'm not worried about what his overall numbers will be. I'm not sure there is a better group of weapons in the league, than what Ben has to work with right now. Sure, GB and NO are loaded as well, but you can make an argument that PIT is right there with them. I just think Brees and Rodgers are simply better than Ben, which is why he's a tier below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUMbotron Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 He's not Brees/Rodgers good, but considering where he could be drafted (I got him consistently in the 7th-10th rounds this year), he's a steal. He was 4th in QB fantasy points per game last year, and 6th the year before. Not bad, considering he is drafted much later than the 4th-6th QB in most drafts. I'm sure he'll have a game or two against tougher defenses where he might struggle to put up 275/2, but I'm not worried about what his overall numbers will be. I'm not sure there is a better group of weapons in the league, than what Ben has to work with right now. Sure, GB and NO are loaded as well, but you can make an argument that PIT is right there with them. I just think Brees and Rodgers are simply better than Ben, which is why he's a tier below. 7th last year in ppg Nitpick Hijacking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 This is the 2nd time in 4 years I've owned Big Ben and I do not recall consistent production. Right now he's riding the pine for Cam Newton and I'm trying to trade the guy. I can tell you selling high is not proving to be that easy, because most other people in my leagues are aware of the variance around his numbers and just don't trust him. The o-line seems improved and the team still can't run consistently. My problem is not that his upcoming opposing defenses are so tough, it's that Pittsburgh plays some craptastic teams around playoff time and it's not clear to me he's going to have to throw that much for them to win. 250yds/2TDs consistently would be a great outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 He's never been good for steady 270 & 2 TDs per game. Those are Brees/Rogers numbers. It's up and down for Ben. Sell high. Since 2008 Ben has 21 games <18 fp Brees has 10 games <18 fp Rogers has 7 games <18fp Ben has 21 games 24> fp Brees has 29 games 24> fp Rogers has 27 games 24> fp Next 5 weeks: Baltimore (ranked 2nd vs QBs), at Cincinnati (5th), bye week, at Kansas City (17th), and vs. Cincinnati (5th) again. I'll caution on the sell high suggestion. Ben has never had as dangerous a group of receivers as he does now. The Steelers are going to continue to mix in the run, but, they won't be able to resist the fact that they now have a very dangerous passing game. If the offensive line continues to improve, I think Ben could finish the year very strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityOfChampions Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 He's never been good for steady 270 & 2 TDs per game. Those are Brees/Rogers numbers. It's up and down for Ben. Sell high. Since 2008 Ben has 21 games <18 fp Brees has 10 games <18 fp Rogers has 7 games <18fp Ben has 21 games 24> fp Brees has 29 games 24> fp Rogers has 27 games 24> fp Next 5 weeks: Baltimore (ranked 2nd vs QBs), at Cincinnati (5th), bye week, at Kansas City (17th), and vs. Cincinnati (5th) again. Rankings can be deceiving... QB's Baltimore faced so far: Roethlisberger, Hasselbeck, Bradford, Sanchez, Schaub (without Johnson), Gabbert, Kolb QB's Cincy's faced so far: McCoy, Orton, Smith (SF), Fitzpatrick, Gabbert, Painter, Jackson Aside from Roethlisberger and Schaub, the remaining QB's aren't exactly "gunslingers". They normally average around 200-230yds/gm. I'm not too worried about Baltimore or Cincy ... Ben 250yds, 2 TD's in each game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I agree that he's throwing more and has better talent than most of his career. But they are also having trouble running the ball and that could be a problem when the weather gets colder and the defenses are tougher. I think those expecting or hoping for 250yds & 2TDs a week are going to be disappointed a few times over the rest of the season. Heck he only had 3 TDs in his first 4 games this season, then one huge game vs TEN with 5TDs. Over his career he's only had one season where he averaged 2TDs/game (2007 26 in 15 starts, second best 09 with 26 in 15 starts). Hardly seems like a guy you can count on for 2TDs a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Rodgers Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) at Cincinnati (5th), bye week, at Kansas City (17th), and vs. Cincinnati (5th) again. Which defense listed above did Tavaris Jackson carve up last week for over 300 yards? Hint, it is listed twice... Just saying! Edited November 2, 2011 by Jolly Rodgers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montster Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I've got Newton on bye, so I just need Roethlisberger for this week. I have owned Roethlisberger in the past so I know how frustrating he can be, but this year seems different, probably because of the better receivers. I contemplated selling him, but 1) in case he maintains this production, I don't want him on someone else's roster, and 2) if he doesn't maintain this production, it doesn't really matter to me, because I'll likely start Newton the rest of the way anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 7th last year in ppgNitpick Hijacking Depends on scoring format, I guess... I just glanced at one of my leagues (with fairly typical QB scoring), and he was 4th (average per game, not total) last year. But, after looking at a few more of my leagues, I see him anywhere from 3rd to 8th. Still, he outperformed his average draft position last year, and will destroy it this year... he fell a lot further in drafts than he should have, in my opinion. I'm guessing some people just glanced at season totals (from last year), and forgot that he missed four games. Not sure how else to explain it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) He's never been good for steady 270 & 2 TDs per game. Those are Brees/Rogers numbers. It's up and down for Ben. Sell high. Since 2008 Ben has 21 games <18 fp Brees has 10 games <18 fp Rogers has 7 games <18fp Ben has 21 games 24> fp Brees has 29 games 24> fp Rogers has 27 games 24> fp Next 5 weeks: Baltimore (ranked 2nd vs QBs), at Cincinnati (5th), bye week, at Kansas City (17th), and vs. Cincinnati (5th) again. In 2011 Ben is the # 8 QB in average PPG In 2010 Ben was the # 7 QB in average PPG In 2009 he was the #3 QB in average PPG In 2008 he was the #22 QB in average PPG In 2007 he was the #5 QB in average PPG In 2006 he was the # 10 QB in average PPG Other than 2008, top 10 QB and on average if you discount that as an off year he averages 6.5. If you kill the high year and the low year he averages being the #7.5 QB. Sell high and get who? What more do you want out of a QB with an ADP of #10 QB? He's outperforming his draft position and the historic trend says this will continue. EDIT TO ADD: Also, with Ward being arguably his 4th best receiver instead of his best, he's never had offensive weapons anywhere near this good. I bough Ben in multiple dynasty leagues this offseason and slapped a long term deal on him and I would take him in a redraft if I could get my hands on him now. Edited November 3, 2011 by Caveman_Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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