archiebonker Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I"m a commish in our league and I've got a bit of fight on my hands for refusing a trade today. See what you think. I've asked 5 guys in our league and they are backing me up and don't like it. But I can't see this going smooth. Team B is new to FF by the way. Team A offered Nelson WR GB, O.Danials TE Hou, Sanders WR Pit and Addai RB Indy Team B would be giving up Jennings WR GB , Marshall WR Mia, Cook TE Ten, and J.Baldwin rookie KCC Like to hear what you guys have to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 It is a bland perfectly approvable trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) I would ask Team B why he's doing this and if he gives any logical reason I would process. i would boot him out of the league next yr eta: basically no collusion = any logical reason Edited November 3, 2011 by MrTed46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Sorry you didn't get the answer you were looking for in the advice forum, but you're probably not going to get it here either... For one thing, you can't just look at the trade at face value (though I really don't see much wrong with it at face value anyway)... Did the team getting Daniels need an upgrade at TE, and could he take a hit at WR? If so, the WRs he dealt aren't that much better than the ones he got to where the TE upgrade could easily be worth it. Moreover, as long as they can justify why they felt it was a good move, then it doesn't matter if you think it was a good trade. We've had a million of these threads with a million different reasons why vetoes suck, but it comes down to letting people manage their teams as they see fit.. Even if it is a matter of it being a newb, you learn through experience, and especially if he had a need for a better TE, he didn't even really get ripped off anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebonker Posted November 3, 2011 Author Share Posted November 3, 2011 I just think it's because he's new to FF.. I truly don't believe he's giving away his team on purpose. I made that he doesn't know better and mad that the other guy offered that and now is mad that I'm not pushing it through And for the other response. Why do you think this is a good deal in anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I just think it's because he's new to FF.. I truly don't believe he's giving away his team on purpose. I made that he doesn't know better and mad that the other guy offered that and now is mad that I'm not pushing it through And for the other response. Why do you think this is a good deal in anyway? he's being a fantasy GM who are you to tell him it's a bad move? If he's not doing anything illegal process and move on. We had a buddy of ours who did fantasy for 2-3 years making dumbass moves all the time we finally booted him out of the league because everyone got sick of him sucking but while he was in the league we le thim run his team as he wanted to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I just think it's because he's new to FF.. I truly don't believe he's giving away his team on purpose. I made that he doesn't know better and mad that the other guy offered that and now is mad that I'm not pushing it through You're not his babysitter, are you? If not, then being new to the game and making poor decisions is part of the game, not a reason to hold their hand... You shouldn't get a redo just because you're new, unless this is standard practice in your league (which it shouldn't be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebonker Posted November 3, 2011 Author Share Posted November 3, 2011 The whole thing about you learn by making horrible mistakes doesn't fly. Been playing FF for many years. And the leagues that allowed that (keeper leagues) have really turned bad. Too many guys giving up and and not liking the lopsided seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 What kind of league is it ? Redraft, Dynasty ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hitter Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) I personally like what Team B is getting as I think Daniels is nearly twice as good as Cook, Sanders is equal to or even better than Marshall in keeper leagues (I think Pitt throws a ton going forward & Big Ben crushes Moore), and Addai/Nelson is close enough to Jennings/Baldwin to even the deal out, ESPECIALLY if Team B needs a RB or depth at RB. Makes for a perfectly good trade IMHO, Edited November 3, 2011 by The Hitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) The whole thing about you learn by making horrible mistakes doesn't fly. Been playing FF for many years. And the leagues that allowed that (keeper leagues) have really turned bad. Too many guys giving up and and not liking the lopsided seasons. If you won't let a new person learn by managing a team as they see fit, why did you even let them in the league in the first place? You'd have been better of running the team by a vote of the other owners and not bringing in a real person, or at least a person new to FF. Edited November 3, 2011 by Fatman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebonker Posted November 3, 2011 Author Share Posted November 3, 2011 It's a 3 keeper league and I don't understand the whole Jennings in the deal thing. I could understand Nelson, Daniels and Addai for Marshal, Baldwin and Cook. But what does Jennings have in this one? He's a top 5 WR while Nelson in a 20 something one. And Team B would be giving pretty much all he has at WR in this one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 We had a guy in a certain league for a few years that was known to make some questionable trades. he'd often try to pry the hot hand from you, while offering up more proven players that would produce. It would often be a race to see who could get what from him. By mid-season, it was akin to a pack of vultures fighting over the carcass. But none of our trades were illegal, and we let him run his team as he saw fit.I can't remember the players involved, but one year he gave up a perceived "stud" that went down with a season-ending injury the next game. Stuff happens to make trades that may appear somewhat lopsided even out...not every time, but sometimes. And its those sometimes which are the reason why, barring collusion, trades should not be vetoed. Today, we have no idea if Nelson becomes the go-to WR for GB if Jennings suddenly gets double-teamed from here on out, or if Marshall continues to struggle with Moore at QB....or if Andre Johnson isn't the same player, and Owen Daniels takes on a much bigger role going forward. Point is, its not up to you or any of the other owners to decide. And lets be honest: are they mad about the trade, or are they mad they weren't smart enough to offer anything to get Jennings before Team A did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebonker Posted November 3, 2011 Author Share Posted November 3, 2011 I have to tell you, they are brother in laws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) If you let somebody pay their money to be in your league, you let him run his team as he sees fit, not as you see fit. You're the one that allowed him to play in a league. You knew his brother-in-law was in the league already. Not a viable excuse at this point unless you believe there is going to be a payoff on the back end. You should retire from being the commissioner of leagues if this is how you are going to choose to run it. Absolutely ridiculous. Edited November 3, 2011 by Seahawks21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I have to tell you, they are brother in laws With this information........If i was trading with a family member, I'd expect criticism and a veto on this deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) With this information........If i was trading with a family member, I'd expect criticism and a veto on this deal Why? We haven't even seen their rosters yet, and Daniels is a big upgrade over Cook, not to mention that Nelson and Sanders could conceivably be sneaky pickups, while Marshall in particular could fall off a cliff with Moore in there and Nelson has been pacing Jennings quite nicely alot of weeks... Isn't Addai getting back soon too? If so, that gives him RB help that is often hard to trade for... Might not be a great trade, but I really don't see enough wrong with it to raise red flags ( but again, we have no clue what these moves mean for their rosters)... While I think the fact that they're in-laws might contribute to a suspicion of collusion, I think that should be the one of last considerations in detecting a pattern of shadiness... Obviously, you can't just assume 2 people are cheating just because their in-laws making a trade (people discuss legitimate trades and make them with people the know well far more often than colluding with them, because frankly they probably talk often), so what else was so bad about that? Edited November 3, 2011 by delusions of granduer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I veto this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I usually don't post in these threads. I don't like trade vetoes just not my thing. A person should be able to run his team the way he/she see's fit. Collusion is a hard thing to prove and simply because there related in some way doesn't make it so. If your opinion is that it does. Then don't have family members in your league or friends for that matter. I see nothing wrong with this trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 So they are related big deal. Half our league works together, the rest are friends of one guy some of which are related. Is any of that grounds for overturning a trade. Some questions how long have you been playing ff, how long have you been commish, how many trades have you vetoed? my ansewrs, almost 20, almost 20, NONE! From now on these threads should include (much like the WDIS) - complete rosters of both teams befor trade - complete scoring rules - roster requirements - redraft/dynasty/keeper info - complete trade history of both teams - full medical history for both owners - full disclosure of both owners history (related, friends, grew up together, in each other's wedding etc.) Seriously every time somebody posts these all they want to hear is "Yep bad trade don't let it happen". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 refusing a trade today. I think I found your problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebonker Posted November 3, 2011 Author Share Posted November 3, 2011 Your right... first time I've put one of these type of posts up. Lets drop it and I'll figure it out. thanks for advice guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfan Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I have to tell you, they are brother in laws My brother and I are in a league together and we don't trade with each other. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I"m a commish in our league and I've got a bit of fight on my hands for refusing a trade today. See what you think. I've asked 5 guys in our league and they are backing me up and don't like it. But I can't see this going smooth. Team B is new to FF by the way. Team A offered Nelson WR GB, O.Danials TE Hou, Sanders WR Pit and Addai RB Indy Team B would be giving up Jennings WR GB , Marshall WR Mia, Cook TE Ten, and J.Baldwin rookie KCC Like to hear what you guys have to say. You're role as commissioner in no way gives you the right to veto trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkirc Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I asked this in your other thread and got no answer. Are you willing to refund their league fees if you are wrong? You might want to post it in the Tailgate. You might get the answer you seek there...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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