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I"m a commish in our league and I've got a bit of fight on my hands for refusing a trade today. See what you think. I've asked 5 guys in our league and they are backing me up and don't like it. But I can't see this going smooth.

 

Team B is new to FF by the way.

 

 

Team A offered Nelson WR GB, O.Danials TE Hou, Sanders WR Pit and Addai RB Indy

Team B would be giving up Jennings WR GB , Marshall WR Mia, Cook TE Ten, and J.Baldwin rookie KCC

 

Like to hear what you guys have to say.

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Sorry you didn't get the answer you were looking for in the advice forum, but you're probably not going to get it here either...

 

For one thing, you can't just look at the trade at face value (though I really don't see much wrong with it at face value anyway)... Did the team getting Daniels need an upgrade at TE, and could he take a hit at WR? If so, the WRs he dealt aren't that much better than the ones he got to where the TE upgrade could easily be worth it.

 

Moreover, as long as they can justify why they felt it was a good move, then it doesn't matter if you think it was a good trade. We've had a million of these threads with a million different reasons why vetoes suck, but it comes down to letting people manage their teams as they see fit.. Even if it is a matter of it being a newb, you learn through experience, and especially if he had a need for a better TE, he didn't even really get ripped off anyway...

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I just think it's because he's new to FF.. I truly don't believe he's giving away his team on purpose. I made that he doesn't know better and mad that the other guy offered that and now is mad that I'm not pushing it through

 

 

And for the other response. Why do you think this is a good deal in anyway?

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I just think it's because he's new to FF.. I truly don't believe he's giving away his team on purpose. I made that he doesn't know better and mad that the other guy offered that and now is mad that I'm not pushing it through

 

 

And for the other response. Why do you think this is a good deal in anyway?

 

he's being a fantasy GM who are you to tell him it's a bad move? If he's not doing anything illegal process and move on.

 

We had a buddy of ours who did fantasy for 2-3 years making dumbass moves all the time we finally booted him out of the league because everyone got sick of him sucking but while he was in the league we le thim run his team as he wanted to.

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I just think it's because he's new to FF.. I truly don't believe he's giving away his team on purpose. I made that he doesn't know better and mad that the other guy offered that and now is mad that I'm not pushing it through

You're not his babysitter, are you? If not, then being new to the game and making poor decisions is part of the game, not a reason to hold their hand... You shouldn't get a redo just because you're new, unless this is standard practice in your league (which it shouldn't be).

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I personally like what Team B is getting as I think Daniels is nearly twice as good as Cook, Sanders is equal to or even better than Marshall in keeper leagues (I think Pitt throws a ton going forward & Big Ben crushes Moore), and Addai/Nelson is close enough to Jennings/Baldwin to even the deal out, ESPECIALLY if Team B needs a RB or depth at RB.

 

Makes for a perfectly good trade IMHO,

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The whole thing about you learn by making horrible mistakes doesn't fly. Been playing FF for many years. And the leagues that allowed that (keeper leagues) have really turned bad. Too many guys giving up and and not liking the lopsided seasons.

 

If you won't let a new person learn by managing a team as they see fit, why did you even let them in the league in the first place? You'd have been better of running the team by a vote of the other owners and not bringing in a real person, or at least a person new to FF.

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It's a 3 keeper league and I don't understand the whole Jennings in the deal thing.

 

I could understand Nelson, Daniels and Addai for Marshal, Baldwin and Cook. But what does Jennings have in this one? He's a top 5 WR while Nelson in a 20 something one.

 

And Team B would be giving pretty much all he has at WR in this one too.

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We had a guy in a certain league for a few years that was known to make some questionable trades. he'd often try to pry the hot hand from you, while offering up more proven players that would produce. It would often be a race to see who could get what from him. By mid-season, it was akin to a pack of vultures fighting over the carcass.

 

But none of our trades were illegal, and we let him run his team as he saw fit.I can't remember the players involved, but one year he gave up a perceived "stud" that went down with a season-ending injury the next game. Stuff happens to make trades that may appear somewhat lopsided even out...not every time, but sometimes. And its those sometimes which are the reason why, barring collusion, trades should not be vetoed.

 

Today, we have no idea if Nelson becomes the go-to WR for GB if Jennings suddenly gets double-teamed from here on out, or if Marshall continues to struggle with Moore at QB....or if Andre Johnson isn't the same player, and Owen Daniels takes on a much bigger role going forward.

 

Point is, its not up to you or any of the other owners to decide. And lets be honest: are they mad about the trade, or are they mad they weren't smart enough to offer anything to get Jennings before Team A did?

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If you let somebody pay their money to be in your league, you let him run his team as he sees fit, not as you see fit. You're the one that allowed him to play in a league. You knew his brother-in-law was in the league already. Not a viable excuse at this point unless you believe there is going to be a payoff on the back end.

 

You should retire from being the commissioner of leagues if this is how you are going to choose to run it. Absolutely ridiculous.

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With this information........If i was trading with a family member, I'd expect criticism and a veto on this deal

Why? We haven't even seen their rosters yet, and Daniels is a big upgrade over Cook, not to mention that Nelson and Sanders could conceivably be sneaky pickups, while Marshall in particular could fall off a cliff with Moore in there and Nelson has been pacing Jennings quite nicely alot of weeks... Isn't Addai getting back soon too? If so, that gives him RB help that is often hard to trade for... Might not be a great trade, but I really don't see enough wrong with it to raise red flags ( but again, we have no clue what these moves mean for their rosters)...

 

While I think the fact that they're in-laws might contribute to a suspicion of collusion, I think that should be the one of last considerations in detecting a pattern of shadiness... Obviously, you can't just assume 2 people are cheating just because their in-laws making a trade (people discuss legitimate trades and make them with people the know well far more often than colluding with them, because frankly they probably talk often), so what else was so bad about that?

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I usually don't post in these threads. I don't like trade vetoes just not my thing. A person should be able to run his team the way he/she see's fit. Collusion is a hard thing to prove and simply because there related in some way doesn't make it so. If your opinion is that it does. Then don't have family members in your league or friends for that matter. I see nothing wrong with this trade.

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So they are related big deal. Half our league works together, the rest are friends of one guy some of which are related. Is any of that grounds for overturning a trade.

 

Some questions

how long have you been playing ff, how long have you been commish, how many trades have you vetoed?

my ansewrs, almost 20, almost 20, NONE!

 

From now on these threads should include (much like the WDIS)

- complete rosters of both teams befor trade

- complete scoring rules

- roster requirements

- redraft/dynasty/keeper info

- complete trade history of both teams

- full medical history for both owners

- full disclosure of both owners history (related, friends, grew up together, in each other's wedding etc.)

 

Seriously every time somebody posts these all they want to hear is "Yep bad trade don't let it happen".

 

:wacko:

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I"m a commish in our league and I've got a bit of fight on my hands for refusing a trade today. See what you think. I've asked 5 guys in our league and they are backing me up and don't like it. But I can't see this going smooth.

 

Team B is new to FF by the way.

 

 

Team A offered Nelson WR GB, O.Danials TE Hou, Sanders WR Pit and Addai RB Indy

Team B would be giving up Jennings WR GB , Marshall WR Mia, Cook TE Ten, and J.Baldwin rookie KCC

 

Like to hear what you guys have to say.

 

You're role as commissioner in no way gives you the right to veto trades.

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I asked this in your other thread and got no answer.

 

Are you willing to refund their league fees if you are wrong?

 

You might want to post it in the Tailgate. You might get the answer you seek there......

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