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Why would the Steelers and Packers not play these both more? Brown steps in for Ward and puts up solid numbers. Driver is 36 years old and hasn't posted more than 40 yards receiving in something 2 years.

 

Just doesn't make send to me.

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Why would the Steelers and Packers not play these both more? Brown steps in for Ward and puts up solid numbers. Driver is 36 years old and hasn't posted more than 40 yards receiving in something 2 years.

 

Just doesn't make send to me.

 

Answer : Greg Jennings, James Jones, Mike Wallace, Heath Miller (not to mention Driver and Ward)

 

edit: Oh, and Sanders

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GB is just loaded at WR. Driver isn't really the problem, it's JJones, Driver, Cobb and also Finley. I'm still surprised they resigned JJones. I figured when they drafted Cobb that meant the end to JJones. I love Jordy, but he's going to be inconsistent.

 

Ward is the leader of that offense. I think that, coupled with the fact that he's still the best blocking WR in the league, is why he's going to continue to be on the field. I could see this being Ward's last year though.

 

I think us Fantasy Footballers often lose grasp of the real football aspect of things.

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Answer : Greg Jennings, James Jones, Mike Wallace, Heath Miller (not to mention Driver and Ward)

 

edit: Oh, and Sanders

 

typically each team has 2 wr's on field so each of these guys can start on the other side of Jennings and Wallace. Many times in the NFL they will even have a 3rd receiver lined up in the slot.

 

BTH Sanders seems to be pretty average.

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Yeah, Green Bay has 3 of the top 20 WRs in the NFL and one of the top 3 TEs. Aaron Rodgers deserves all the love he gets, but folks still don't seem to understand just how good the Packers receiving corps is. The Saints have an elite WR and an elite TE plus a bunch of solid guys to compliment - GB has those elite guys plus excellent guys to compliment. It's sick how good those guys are.

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GB is just loaded at WR. Driver isn't really the problem, it's JJones, Driver, Cobb and also Finley. I'm still surprised they resigned JJones. I figured when they drafted Cobb that meant the end to JJones. I love Jordy, but he's going to be inconsistent.

 

Ward is the leader of that offense. I think that, coupled with the fact that he's still the best blocking WR in the league, is why he's going to continue to be on the field. I could see this being Ward's last year though.

 

I think us Fantasy Footballers often lose grasp of the real football aspect of things.

 

I agree with you, though if you look at Brown's production when inserted it would seem to overshadow Ward's abilities plus he can lead from the sideline. I don't have Brown on my squad, it just seems to me he is quite talented at the WR position.

 

Not the biggest fan of Jones, but GB runs some many different packages I am sure it strains the defense, but NFL teams at times I think out think themselves. Platooning RB's hurts runners to get a feel for the game and get in a groove. If they are worried about injury, well it only takes one play.

 

The NFL has structured the game around the passing game, so I doubt we will see a change from high powered passing attacks since db's can hardly touch a guy. I am not sure I like the direction the game is going really.

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I own both of them in my main league and for me it's not very difficult to understand why they don't see the field more often. I think most of their success can be attributed to being fresh and not having to run routes on every play. Not to mention, we're talking about arguably the two best teams in the NFL as if they're doing something wrong. Even though I own them both and would love for their production to be increased, I definitely believe they are being utilized appropriately to maximize the success of the team as a whole. I also believe that if they were in on every play, Nelson might see a few more targets, but I don't think Brown's production increases at all.

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This.

 

Did you watch football just 5 yrs ago, 10, 15? Most teams played their best players every snap. I think its because the NFL has hand cuffed the defense actually playing defense. Corners can't even close to a guy without being flagged, and safeties aren't sure exactly how they supposed to hit a player with out being flagged. Offenses just rotate guys and tire out the D. If a team has a top flight QB, they have a shot every game.

 

Remember guys like Shaun Alexander, Priest Holmes, Edge James, Terrell Owens in his prime, Randy Moss, Antonio Freeman, Shannon Sharpe, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Tiki Barber, Jamaal Lewis, Corey Dillon, Troy Brown, Tony G, Torri Holt, Issac Bruce. Going way back, Christian Okoye, Emmit Simth, Michael Irvin, Thurman Thomas, and so on. These guys never left the field.

 

Look at what Bradshaw did a few weeks ago when Jacobs was out, 3 tds, and a 100 yards?

 

 

Antonio Brown is clearly a better talent than Ward is right now, and a guy like Jordy measures 6'3" and can run. Just stating both these guys should see the field more. When they do, they just produce.

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Did you watch football just 5 yrs ago, 10, 15? Most teams played their best players every snap. I think its because the NFL has hand cuffed the defense actually playing defense. Corners can't even close to a guy without being flagged, and safeties aren't sure exactly how they supposed to hit a player with out being flagged. Offenses just rotate guys and tire out the D. If a team has a top flight QB, they have a shot every game.

 

Remember guys like Shaun Alexander, Priest Holmes, Edge James, Terrell Owens in his prime, Randy Moss, Antonio Freeman, Shannon Sharpe, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Tiki Barber, Jamaal Lewis, Corey Dillon, Troy Brown, Tony G, Torri Holt, Issac Bruce. Going way back, Christian Okoye, Emmit Simth, Michael Irvin, Thurman Thomas, and so on. These guys never left the field.

 

Look at what Bradshaw did a few weeks ago when Jacobs was out, 3 tds, and a 100 yards?

 

 

Antonio Brown is clearly a better talent than Ward is right now, and a guy like Jordy measures 6'3" and can run. Just stating both these guys should see the field more. When they do, they just produce.

 

And to your point, I would put Driver and Ward among the guys you mentioned above. They bring leadership to the field and can still be counted on to make plays. If you had to make just one play to win a championship, I would throw the ball to Ward or Driver over Brown and Nelson. This is not to say that next year they wont be the fulltime starter, their time will come.

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Did you watch football just 5 yrs ago, 10, 15? Most teams played their best players every snap. I think its because the NFL has hand cuffed the defense actually playing defense. Corners can't even close to a guy without being flagged, and safeties aren't sure exactly how they supposed to hit a player with out being flagged. Offenses just rotate guys and tire out the D. If a team has a top flight QB, they have a shot every game.

 

Remember guys like Shaun Alexander, Priest Holmes, Edge James, Terrell Owens in his prime, Randy Moss, Antonio Freeman, Shannon Sharpe, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Tiki Barber, Jamaal Lewis, Corey Dillon, Troy Brown, Tony G, Torri Holt, Issac Bruce. Going way back, Christian Okoye, Emmit Simth, Michael Irvin, Thurman Thomas, and so on. These guys never left the field.

 

Look at what Bradshaw did a few weeks ago when Jacobs was out, 3 tds, and a 100 yards?

 

 

Antonio Brown is clearly a better talent than Ward is right now, and a guy like Jordy measures 6'3" and can run. Just stating both these guys should see the field more. When they do, they just produce.

Damn you make me feel old.

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To put more of an emphasis on my point, here are the current 2011 WR catch percentages by team, minimum 15 passes (stats courtesy of Football Outsiders)

 

Player	Team	Passes	Yards	TD	Catch %L.Fitzgerald	ARI	58	603	2	59%E.Doucet	ARI	48	359	3	58%A.Roberts	ARI	30	133	0	43%J.Jones	ATL	42	358	0	60%H.Douglas	ATL	29	199	0	59%R.White	ATL	69	425	3	57%A.Boldin	BAL	62	539	2	55%T.Smith	BAL	33	326	3	45%D.Nelson	BUF	42	366	2	74%S.Johnson	BUF	62	470	4	63%D.Jones	BUF	31	174	1	52%B.LaFell	CAR	24	277	2	71%S.Smith	CAR	73	919	4	63%L.Naanee	CAR	45	255	0	49%R.Williams	CHI	19	190	1	68%D.Sanzenbacher	CHI	33	172	3	58%J.Knox	CHI	35	348	0	54%D.Hester	CHI	44	306	1	48%A.Caldwell	CIN	36	173	1	58%A.Green	CIN	59	532	5	56%J.Simpson	CIN	43	367	1	53%G.Little	CLE	52	268	0	56%J.Cribbs	CLE	34	248	2	50%M.Massoquoi	CLE	37	239	2	49%L.Robinson	DAL	28	336	1	68%M.Austin	DAL	42	350	4	62%D.Bryant	DAL	38	367	4	58%K.Ogletree	DAL	18	116	0	56%E.Decker	DEN	56	359	5	54%B.Lloyd	DEN	58	410	1	53%E.Royal	DEN	27	110	0	44%M.Willis	DEN	18	129	1	44%C.Johnson	DET	74	804	11	64%N.Burleson	DET	44	245	1	59%T.Young	DET	38	275	1	50%J.Jones	GB	25	326	3	76%G.Jennings	GB	58	677	5	72%J.Nelson	GB	35	465	4	69%D.Driver	GB	22	107	2	59%K.Walter	HOU	33	287	2	70%A.Johnson	HOU	37	352	2	68%D.Mason	HOU	29	154	0	62%J.Jones	HOU	37	265	1	49%P.Garcon	IND	70	606	4	53%R.Wayne	IND	71	487	1	49%A.Collie	IND	47	183	0	43%M.Thomas	JAC	59	326	1	53%J.Hill	JAC	43	313	3	44%M.Sims-Walker	JAC	33	150	0	36%S.Breaston	KC	33	335	2	67%D.Bowe	KC	63	559	4	52%D.Bess	MIA	46	323	0	59%B.Marshall	MIA	68	579	1	56%B.Hartline	MIA	33	257	1	55%M.Jenkins	MIN	40	362	3	73%P.Harvin	MIN	44	359	0	70%B.Berrian	MIN	23	91	0	30%D.Aromashodu	MIN	24	153	1	29%W.Welker	NE	83	824	6	69%D.Branch	NE	46	405	3	65%C.Ochocinco	NE	16	136	0	56%L.Moore	NO	41	338	2	73%R.Meachem	NO	38	290	3	71%M.Colston	NO	42	424	3	69%D.Henderson	NO	26	305	2	62%V.Cruz	NYG	42	497	4	67%H.Nicks	NYG	61	552	3	61%M.Manningham	NYG	45	290	1	53%J.Kerley	NYJ	15	82	1	60%S.Holmes	NYJ	41	311	3	54%P.Burress	NYJ	45	243	5	40%D.Heyward-Bey	OAK	49	434	1	55%D.Hagan	OAK	20	114	0	55%J.Ford	OAK	22	114	0	50%D.Moore	OAK	35	212	2	40%J.Maclin	PHI	54	543	4	74%J.Avant	PHI	43	413	0	72%D.Jackson	PHI	50	487	2	54%M.Wallace	PIT	59	839	5	73%H.Ward	PIT	39	258	2	67%A.Brown	PIT	63	431	1	54%E.Sanders	PIT	35	243	2	51%P.Crayton	SD	15	113	0	73%M.Floyd	SD	36	401	1	53%V.Jackson	SD	52	472	3	52%D.Baldwin	SEA	38	403	2	66%B.Obomanu	SEA	34	242	2	62%S.Rice	SEA	40	366	1	60%G.Tate	SEA	18	88	1	56%M.Williams	SEA	18	89	1	50%J.Morgan	SF	20	220	1	75%M.Crabtree	SF	46	263	1	54%G.Salas	STL	29	206	0	69%B.Gibson	STL	37	241	1	51%D.Alexander	STL	39	296	1	41%D.Briscoe	TB	20	196	1	80%P.Parker	TB	36	324	2	67%A.Benn	TB	25	243	2	60%M.Williams	TB	63	319	1	49%N.Washington	TEN	48	433	2	69%K.Britt	TEN	26	290	3	65%L.Hawkins	TEN	32	151	0	53%D.Williams	TEN	29	159	2	48%S.Moss	WAS	43	301	2	58%J.Gaffney	WAS	50	433	1	54%A.Armstrong	WAS	18	47	1	28%

 

 

Now, some of the numbers have to do with how the WR is used. A slot WR getting thrown shorter passes will have an advantage over WRs who get a much higher percentage of deep passes, since deep passes are more difficult to complete, but when it comes down to it coaches and QBs are going to give more love to WRs who are more reliable.

 

Look at some of the names on the list and look where they are on their respective teams. That helps to explain some of the woes this year of guys like Nelson and Brown, as well as both M Williams, Plax, etc

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