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Sounds awful. I haven't read any other accounts but this obviously sounds horrific. It sounds like JoPa knew of at least one allegation but simply reported it to the AD. Nothing further?

 

Menudo - I assume you can shed some light here. What the hell is going on?

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The sickening part of this story is this goes back until at least the year 2000, and the article says Paterno reported it back in 2002. Yet it sounds like Sandusky still had use of facilities there and was still able to run this organization.

 

They should all be fried.

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I read the entire Grand Jury report on Saturday, and I haven't been able to get it out of my head since then. I'm am ashamed and disgusted with the Penn State football program. Obviously, Sandusky is a sick man, and what he did to these children is beyond disgusting. What is also extremely disappointing is the acts of several to protect their precious program rather than to protect these innocent children. First, Mike McQueary, a guy who I played sports against all my life, and was even my teammate on several all star teams, walked in on Sandusky sodomizing a 10 year old boy in the shower, and HE WALKED AWAY, CALLED HIS DAD AND WENT HOME. What ????? He should have immediately pulled that sick bastard off of this kid and called the police. He eventually reported it to Paterno later that evening. Paterno then reported it to the AD Curley and a member of the administration. The big question is, what was told to Paterno ? He is claiming that he was just told that "something inappropriate" took place, which he reported to his superiors.

 

My opinion.....every single one of them should be gone, including Paterno. They put the reputation of their football program over protecting these children. Every single one of these people that knew what was going on should have reported what they knew to the police. I truly don't know how these men can sleep at night. If they had done the right thing immediately, they may have saved some other kids from this abuse.

 

Obviously, I'm not going to punish the players past or present, but, for the first time ever, I am embarrassed to be a Penn State football fan. This program was once thought to act with honor and dignity, but, they have done the exact opposite, and I am disgusted by all of it. I have seriously been sick to my stomach over this since Saturday. Regardless of what he actually did, this will definitely put a black mark on Paterno's legacy. In my opinion, he was too close to the situation not to know at least some of what was going on. In my mind, that makes his not reporting it to authorities unforgivable. This is tough, because this was a man that I had the utmost respect for. It is time to completely clean house of anyone who knew ANYTHING about these acts.

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The little bit I've heard is some crazy chit for sure. Typically everyone is trying to save some dumbass player who screws up, but messing with kids is so low I don't know if I've ever heard of it before in this type of scandal. :wacko: Like I said, don't know very many of the facts but I hope guilty parties get whatever they deserve.

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I wonder how the NCAA will treat this? I mean they come down extremely hard on programs that have individual athletes that take money, etc. So I'd like to see them step up and totally bring the hammer down on PSU for this crap (not just the sexual abuse, but the lack of action on the part of the people who knew).

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Heads must roll. A lot of heads must roll.

 

"Horse-play"? A 50 year old dude is in the shower with a kid and they call it "horse play"? Once the dude who wrecked the kids gets his dick severed, whomever called the action "horse play" should be next.

 

I would hope this large and revered institution handles this sort of thing better than an even larger and more revered institution that has been faced with the same allegations.

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Wow... the more I read on this story, the more I'm disgusted with all of those in charge at Penn State.

 

What I really can't comprehend other than the disgusting reports of child abuse themselves, is the "need" to cover them up in the first place. Many are saying that they were covered up to keep the program untarnished. Really?? I don't buy it.

 

You mean to tell me they were worried about their program falling "if" they reported and ultimately exposed a pedophile to the police? Again, I don't buy it. Did they really think any civil human or alumni would not accept firing a coach that was exposed as a scumbag??

 

If it was exposed and dealt with immediately, what major harm to the program would have come from it? I guess I just can't follow why the need to cover it up?

 

But now... now, Joe PA and the rest of the those that were told of any impropriety, need to be held accountable and let go!

 

Just disgusting!!

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Heads must roll. A lot of heads must roll.

 

"Horse-play"? A 50 year old dude is in the shower with a kid and they call it "horse play"? Once the dude who wrecked the kids gets his dick severed, whomever called the action "horse play" should be next.

 

I would hope this large and revered institution handles this sort of thing better than an even larger and more revered institution that has been faced with the same allegations.

 

Dan Patrick made some interesting points along these lines this afternoon...

 

When we hear breaking news regarding celebrities, professionals, etc... and the law - we always like to say "Well, let's wait until we have all of the details before we jump to any conclusions."

In this situation, with a 50 year old and a 10 year old in a shower, there's absolutely no shades of gray.

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If SMU got the Death Penalty for recruiting violations, Penn State needs to get a long death penalty for this.

 

There is no comparison between letting an athlete sell some memorobilia or a booster setting up some hookers for recruiting and letting little kids get sodomized by a coach.

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Dude, even worse still.

 

Driving into work and listening to Mike and Mike, they're interviewing a reporter who told the following story:

 

Apparently one of the mothers had a phone conversation with Sandusky with two cops in the room. Sandusky basically copped to everything, saying how he could not apologize enough and that he wished he was dead.

 

Cops take this to the DA who ultimately declines to press charges. Of course, this DA is not available for comment because he's been missing and presumed dead since 2005. :wacko: His lap top was found in the river and the hard drive was beaten to the point where nothing could be retrieved.

 

Of course, these could be unrelated. Apparently the DA was not known to be a supporter of Penn St. football and had tried other cases involving Penn St.

 

But it certainly doesn't look good.

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Dan Patrick made some interesting points along these lines this afternoon...

 

When we hear breaking news regarding celebrities, professionals, etc... and the law - we always like to say "Well, let's wait until we have all of the details before we jump to any conclusions."

In this situation, with a 50 year old and a 10 year old in a shower, there's absolutely no shades of gray.

The ironic thing, however, is that, at least as often as the press runs with something and blows it out of whack, we find that the initial reports are just the tip of the iceberg. The theory that the press always rushes to judgment isn't actually all that correct much of the time.

 

But, regardless, like you said. 50 year old dude alone in the shower with a kid leaves essentially nothing to interpret.

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Dude, even worse still.

 

Driving into work and listening to Mike and Mike, they're interviewing a reporter who told the following story:

 

Apparently one of the mothers had a phone conversation with Sandusky with two cops in the room. Sandusky basically copped to everything, saying how he could not apologize enough and that he wished he was dead.

 

Cops take this to the DA who ultimately declines to press charges. Of course, this DA is not available for comment because he's been missing and presumed dead since 2005. :wacko: His lap top was found in the river and the hard drive was beaten to the point where nothing could be retrieved.

 

Of course, these could be unrelated. Apparently the DA was not known to be a supporter of Penn St. football and had tried other cases involving Penn St.

 

But it certainly doesn't look good.

 

That's some pretty crazy f*cking sh*t right there.

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I admit I have not seen/heard everything about this. And if all this is true, I totally agree that Sandusky should be thrown in a cell with some very hungry rats and throw away the key. Similar for anyone who knew about it who had authority/ability to do something about this and didn't.

 

That all said, what is KNOWN right now? It sounds like a lot of accusations and unproven things and people looking to throw warm bodies in front of a firing squad to make themselves feel better about revenge w/o all the facts (repeat: facts). Sincere question, I'm not saying anyone is wrong per se. I just hope that in the heat of the moment with people lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks that they don't burn others at the stake without thinking it all through and giving appropriate punishment eg Paterno who it sounds very dicey as to what he did/didn't know vs accusations he heard but weren't confirmed etc etc. He heard accusations and reported them to the AD. Isn't that what the coach is supposed to do? They probably sounded so ridiculous and he tought he knew Sandusky well enough that he didn't see a need for more; hindsight now is 20/20.

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I admit I have not seen/heard everything about this. And if all this is true, I totally agree that Sandusky should be thrown in a cell with some very hungry rats and throw away the key. Similar for anyone who knew about it who had authority/ability to do something about this and didn't.

 

That all said, what is KNOWN right now? It sounds like a lot of accusations and unproven things and people looking to throw warm bodies in front of a firing squad to make themselves feel better about revenge w/o all the facts (repeat: facts). Sincere question, I'm not saying anyone is wrong per se. I just hope that in the heat of the moment with people lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks that they don't burn others at the stake without thinking it all through and giving appropriate punishment eg Paterno who it sounds very dicey as to what he did/didn't know vs accusations he heard but weren't confirmed etc etc. He heard accusations and reported them to the AD. Isn't that what the coach is supposed to do? They probably sounded so ridiculous and he tought he knew Sandusky well enough that he didn't see a need for more; hindsight now is 20/20.

Legally? Sure, that's what Paterno is supposed to do. Report it to his "boss". Which, btw, is a freaking joke. As if Paterno has a freaking boss at that school. Like Coach K answers to whomever is Duke's AD? So, sure, legally, he's fine. But as a human, as an icon in the community and the face of a proud institution that is in the business of molding young men into champions, blah, blah, blah. He owes it to someone to ask, "What ever came of that Sandusky deal? I notice he's still around campus and still in charge OF THE FREAKING YOUTH PROGRAM! Did we ever get to the bottom of that thing, because it's sort of a big deal."

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I'm not just talking about being technically "covered" legally. Again knowing the guy for as long as he did and THINKING he knew him very well, he probably figured it was a false accusation. They do happen yknow, esp towards high profile people. If someone accused someone you have known for a long time and feel highly about and trust about something like this and the accuser you didn't know at all and had no evidence, how much stock would you put into it? Like most people I'm betting probably none. Again it's easy to point fingers now. How many people thought OJ was the kind of guy who would go all psycho like he did? Basically nobody, he was considered a model guy and class act all the way. To try and rip to shreds anyone within the periphery like some witch hunt just sounds like overreaction to me due to the highly sensitive topic.

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I'm not just talking about being technically "covered" legally. Again knowing the guy for as long as he did and THINKING he knew him very well, he probably figured it was a false accusation. They do happen yknow, esp towards high profile people. If someone accused someone you have known for a long time and feel highly about and trust about something like this and the accuser you didn't know at all and had no evidence, how much stock would you put into it? Like most people I'm betting probably none. Again it's easy to point fingers now. How many people thought OJ was the kind of guy who would go all psycho like he did? Basically nobody, he was considered a model guy and class act all the way. To try and rip to shreds anyone within the periphery like some witch hunt just sounds like overreaction to me due to the highly sensitive topic.

 

With all due respect, giving anybody the benefit of the doubt at Penn State right now is a bullcrap argument.

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You're right. Let's throw the entire faculty in jail. Heck the students too. And anyone who holds season tickets.

 

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Yea, you realize these aren't just baseless accusations right? This was a Grand Jury investigation. So why don't you read a little more about what was presented to the Grand Jury (as in the investigation has pretty much already happened). So there is a great amount of corroborated information from police interviewed witnesses.

 

There is a link on this page to a .pdf of the attoorney general's presentation. :wacko:

 

Here is a timeline of what has been found in the Grand Jury Presentation.

 

Former Penn State defensive coordinator Gerald "Jerry" Sandusky has been charged with sexually abusing eight boys following a grand jury investigation that also led to charges against two university officials. Athletic director Tim Curley and a vice president, Gary Schultz, are accused of perjury and failing to report suspected child abuse. Both have stepped down from their posts.

 

The scandal has shocked the Penn State community, where legendary head football coach Joe Paterno has long been credited for running a successful by-the-rules program. Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says the investigation is ongoing but that Paterno is "not regarded as a target." However, pressure is mounting for the coach to step down.

 

Key Figures

 

Jerry Sandusky: The former Penn State defensive coordinator was charged with sexually abusing eight boys over a 15-year period. Sandusky, 67, maintains he is innocent. He played football at Penn State and was a coach there for 32 years 23 of them as the team's defensive coordinator. He and his wife, Dottie, raised six adopted children.

 

Tim Curley: The Penn State athletic director, 57, denies being told of sexual misconduct by Sandusky in 2002 but is accused of covering up allegations tied to the scandal. He was named athletic director on Dec. 30, 1993. Curley went on administrative leave the day before his Nov. 7 arraignment.

 

Gary Schultz: As Penn State's senior vice president for finance and business which gives him oversight of university police Schultz, 62, has been charged with covering up abuse allegations. He served as the school's senior vice president and treasurer from 1993 to 2009, when he retired. Schultz returned to the same job in 2011, on a temporary basis. In early 2010, the university named a campus child care center after Schultz, who retired again on Nov. 6.

 

Joe Paterno: "Joe Pa," 84, has been an assistant or head coach at Penn State University since 1950; in 2008, he signed a three-year contract extension. Law enforcement officials say he is not a target in their investigation. Paterno has five children, all of whom attended Penn State.

 

Graham Spanier: Spanier, 63, became the university's president in 1995, after serving at universities in Oregon, Nebraska, and New York. A faculty and staff member at Penn State from 1973 to 1982, Spanier's academic background is in sociology and family counseling.

 

Mike McQueary: In 2002, the then-graduate assistant told Paterno that he had witnessed Sandusky abusing a boy in a Penn State locker room shower. Paterno informed Curley, who later met with the graduate assistant and Schultz. McQueary, who is now an assistant coach at Penn State, reiterated his statement to the grand jury.

 

Jim Calhoun: A temporary worker whose job as a janitor at Penn State lasted only eight months, Calhoun told co-workers and a supervisor in 2000 that he witnessed Sandusky engaging in sexual activity with a boy in a campus locker-room shower. Several staff members later said that Calhoun, a veteran of the Korean War, was visibly shaken by what he reported seeing. He now resides in an assisted living facility and reportedly has dementia.

 

Ray Gricar: Declared legally dead in July, Gricar was the Centre County district attorney from 1985 to 2005, when he disappeared. He chose not to prosecute Sandusky in 1998 after allegations of inappropriate contact with young boys surfaced. The decision helped to end a police investigation into the report.

 

Wendell Courtney: The former general counsel for Penn State University is also the longtime lawyer for Sandusky's charity foundation, The Second Mile. He was working for both organizations when, according to Schultz, he reviewed the 1998 university police report about Sandusky's behavior with boys.

Timeline Of Events

 

1977: Jerry Sandusky establishes The Second Mile in State College, Pa., "as a group foster home devoted to helping troubled boys," according to the grand jury's findings. The program evolves into a statewide charity whose honorary board members include Paterno and other sports figures.

 

1993: Tim Curley becomes Penn State's athletic director. That same year, Gary Schultz is named the school's treasurer and senior vice president.

 

1994: A boy identified as Victim 7 in the grand jury report meets Sandusky through the Second Mile program. Now 26, Victim 7 says that after a couple of years in the program, he often spent Friday nights at Sandusky's house and attended football games with him the next day. He says Sandusky touched him in ways that made him uncomfortable, primarily during car rides and when the two showered after a workout.

 

1998: An 11-year-old boy returns home with wet hair after an outing with Sandusky. Victim 6 tells his mother he took a shower with Sandusky and that the coach hugged him several times. The boy's mother contacts university police, triggering an investigation.

 

On May 13 and May 19, Det. Ronald Shreffler records the boy's mother during a call with Sandusky. Court papers say Sandusky acknowledges that he showered with the boy, as well as with others. When the mother cuts off contact with Sandusky after a second call, he tells her, "I wish I were dead," according to court papers.

 

On June 1, Jerry Lauro, an investigator from the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, takes part in an interview of Sandusky by Shreffler. According to the grand jury report, Sandusky admits to hugging the boy in the shower, and says he will not shower with children again.

 

Shreffler speaks to another boy who reports similar treatment to that reported by Victim 6. But the investigation ends after District Attorney Ray Gricar decides the case warrants no criminal charges. Shreffler tells the grand jury that Thomas Harmon, who headed the campus police, told him to close the inquiry.

 

1999: Sandusky retires from Penn State's football program, but with an "emeritus" label that allows him continued access to campus facilities, including the locker room and an office in the Lasch Football Building. Schultz has testified that the timing of Sandusky's retirement was not related to the university police investigation a year earlier.

 

2000: Jim Calhoun, a janitor at the Lasch building, tells a co-worker and his supervisor that he saw Sandusky engaged in sexual activity with a boy in the assistant coaches' shower. The boy, referred to as Victim 8 in court papers, has never been identified.

 

Calhoun's colleague Ronald Petrosky, who reported seeing Sandusky's car in the parking lot later that night in the fall of 2000, says that members of the janitorial staff were concerned that they might lose their jobs if they spoke out about what had happened.

 

After Calhoun told his supervisor, Jay Witherite, what he had seen, Witherite told him whom he could report the incident to, if he chose to do so.

 

2002: A graduate assistant reports seeing Sandusky sexually assaulting a boy in the showers at Lasch Football Building on the Penn State campus, around 9:30 p.m. on Friday, March 1. The assault on the boy, who Kelly said "appeared to be about 10 years old," is reported to Paterno the next day. Paterno, in turn, passes the information to Curley one day later.

 

The graduate assistant, who has since been identified as current Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary, meets with Curley and Schultz, but not Paterno, some 10 days later. According to McQueary, he told them that he had seen Sandusky having sex with a boy in the showers. No report is made to police or to any child protection agency a breach of state law, prosecutors say.

 

Two weeks later, Curley tells McQueary that Sandusky's keys to the locker room have been taken away and that the incident was reported to The Second Mile charity.

 

Sandusky is banned from bringing children onto the Penn State campus in a decision reviewed and approved by Spanier, the university president.

 

2009: The mother of the boy identified by court papers as Victim 1 calls a high school in Clinton County to report that her son was sexually abused by Sandusky. The school district bans Sandusky from any of its campuses, and the police are notified.

 

2010: In December, the graduate assistant who had reported the 2002 assault testifies before a grand jury investigating Sandusky, detailing what he saw and what he told Paterno, Schultz and Curley.

 

And in 2010 or 2011, Victim 7 tells the grand jury that prior to his testimony, he received voice mails from Sandusky, his wife and a friend of Sandusky's. Victim 7 says he did not return any of the calls.

 

2011: In his Jan. 12 grand jury testimony, Curley says the graduate assistant reported only "inappropriate," not "sexual" conduct, calling the conduct "horsing around."

 

Also testifying on Jan. 12, Schultz says he met with Curley and Paterno about the abuse allegations. But he tells the grand jury that he was unsure about the details of what had happened and that he thought Sandusky and the boy might have been wrestling when the inappropriate contact occurred.

 

Saturday, Nov. 5: The investigation into Sandusky, Curley and Schultz becomes public, with prosecutors accusing the former assistant coach of making inappropriate sexual advances or assaults on eight boys, from 1994 to 2009.

 

Sunday, Nov. 6: Curley and Schultz vacate their university posts following an emergency meeting with school officials.

 

Monday, Nov. 7: Curley and Schultz are arraigned on charges of making false statements to the grand jury and failing to report the possible abuse of a child.

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