archiebonker Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) Hey guys, I know this might be a little bit early be asking this But as commish, I'm curious. We have a league thats been around for 8 years now and I'm always looking for new ideas to keep things fresh or keep the league running smooth We have a 16 team / 4 Division PPR league (3) keeper league. Have a starting lineup of 1 coach , 1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,1K,1Def. Can't wait to hear some of the ideas Thanks. Edited November 10, 2011 by archiebonker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugs3511 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 How does a coach score you points? That sound interesting and I am always looking for new ways to increase the scoring in my ppr league too..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Have a starting lineup of 1 coach , 1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,1K,1Def. How does a coach score in your league? 3 points for every correct challenge, -3 for every incorrect challenge? This i gotta hear.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delfamdelfam Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) 1 QB, 1 TE, 1RB, 1 WR, 3 FLEX(WR/RB/TE) how about something like that? could also implement a blind bidding system for free agents. Edited November 10, 2011 by delfamdelfam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebonker Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Good hearing from you guys. Always good to hear from other guys. Ya, we started that this year. And it was a trial run this year. You get +4 for a win and -4 for a loss. This might change next season or even get rid of it. But we'll see how everyone liked it after the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebonker Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 How does the blind bid thing work? We have a Waiver Wire now that runs from Sunday night till Wed afternoon. After the Waiver picks are handed out on wed. It's free for all to pickup before the games start. I would like to fix this up a bit next year though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delfamdelfam Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 How does the blind bid thing work? We have a Waiver Wire now that runs from Sunday night till Wed afternoon. After the Waiver picks are handed out on wed. It's free for all to pickup before the games start. I would like to fix this up a bit next year though everyone usually gets either $100 or $1000 fake dollars to spend each week on players. Who ever bids the highest gets that player. Usually bids go through on Wednesday and after that you can pick up any player that wasn't picked up for $1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebonker Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Right now the problem we are having is that we went with 16 teams this year and its been leaving less and less to pickup on Waivers. It's been a good season though, very competitive. But again, I think there is always alot of work to be done to make a perfect league and I like hearing all the new idea's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I like delfams ideas. Maybe not jump to 3 flex right away, but definitely include a flex. Also like the idea of going blind bidding over waiver wire, it adds a bit more strategy. Basically, each team starts with X amount of bid dollars, and that is their budget for the year. During the wiaver period (you can keep same period you have now, SUn-Wed, teams submit bids on players they want to pick up. They can bid between $1 up to their entire balance. Once they are out of cash, they are can;t pick up players, unless you decide to allow owners to trade for dollars. Our dynasty league does this and even has balances carry over from year to year, but I'm not sure I'd advocate that in a league that only keeps 3 players. Mentioned in an advice thread you were in about the idea of having keepers cost picks, that particular thread had them costing one round higher than they were drafted. A lot of the ideas will depends on how involved your owners are and if they want something a bit more complex (ie a dynasty league, IDP, doing contracts instead of keepers, etc.) or if they prefer keeping it a bit more low key like having the 3 keepers and just tweaking it a bit. Perhaps you could implement something where if you do have keepers cost a pick, have a variable number of keepers. There are a ton of options here with regards to handling keepers that there is no way to go into all of the options, but if there is something that your league is possibly interested in I'd be happy to go into the details of options I have either played in or seen in other leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Right now the problem we are having is that we went with 16 teams this year and its been leaving less and less to pickup on Waivers. It's been a good season though, very competitive. But again, I think there is always alot of work to be done to make a perfect league and I like hearing all the new idea's. Thin pickings on the wire makes trading all the more important. You will often find the opposite problem in smaller leagues where there is a lot of talent on the wire so trading is not as important and almost non-existent in some leagues. Obviusly the makeup of owners (ie do they like to trade) affects this. Finding the balance between some talent on the wire and making owners work the trade lines is difficult but certainly adds to the fun of the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papajohn Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I would consider a smaller league. I know it might be difficult if you have been playing together for years, I play in a very competitive 10 person league with the same number of starters as you and the WW is completely drained for talent. I think a waiver budget and auction is the way to go, and I assume that we are implementing that next year as well. It adds another strategic aspect of fantasy. It is kind of unfair/boring if you go 2-0 and are unable to pick up upcoming stars during the first weeks. It might be the way to go in the real NFL but not in fantasy (IMO) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 IDP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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archiebonker Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Hey Thanks for the help. I"m always good at listening and then trying to bring it in. We have a few guys that new this season, so I have to watch out how complicated Some of the ideas I have thought about was having 2 WR's instead of 3WR starters that we brought in this year. But bring in 1 flex position start. I was going to either have a limit of 5 RB and 6 WR on each team to open up the waivers, but maybe if I cut the lineup down from 17 to 15, I might not need it. I think the league is split on the Coach position. So we'll see in the new year if we bring that back. And another problem we are experiencing is that waiver wire has worked well, but the top teams are sitting and waiting for the waivers to be handed out and then taking gambles on guys after and picking them up with out using their waiver priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebonker Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 I kind of like that bid waivers, but how to do that after what we have now and how to implement it so that guys aren't just waiting till the free for all pickups happens after the waivers have been handed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 the day i draft a coach is the day i need to quit ff and admit i have a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Hey Thanks for the help. I"m always good at listening and then trying to bring it in. We have a few guys that new this season, so I have to watch out how complicated Some of the ideas I have thought about was having 2 WR's instead of 3WR starters that we brought in this year. But bring in 1 flex position start. I was going to either have a limit of 5 RB and 6 WR on each team to open up the waivers, but maybe if I cut the lineup down from 17 to 15, I might not need it. I think the league is split on the Coach position. So we'll see in the new year if we bring that back. And another problem we are experiencing is that waiver wire has worked well, but the top teams are sitting and waiting for the waivers to be handed out and then taking gambles on guys after and picking them up with out using their waiver priority. Probably good to ease into the flex - go with one initially then expand from there. Especially in larger leagues, greater flexibility is key. Being a 16 teamer, I'd strongly reccomend going to 1 required RB rather than 2. Perhaps go with 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE and 1 flex RB/WR/TE. Set roster at 16 spots. I personally am strongly oppossed to setting positional roster limits. Let your owners manage their teams as they see fit. If they stockpile RBs, they will be shallow elsewhere, just like if they stockpile WRs they will be weak elsewhere. Never been a fan of the coach position in FF, but go with what the league prefers. For waivers, you could just have waiver priority reset each week. Realistically though, what you are describing is just smart strategy by those owners given your setup. Again though, a blind bidding system would eliminate this entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebonker Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 It's actually not bad. We have alot of close games and it's changed the outcomes. But a few guys had a good point. They don't watch games to watch the coaches. And fair enough, we'll look to see if we use this again next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebonker Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Yup, I agree with you. I would like to stay away from limits. But at the moment, there isn't enough talent out there for teams to pickup when guys stock pile players like RB's on there lineups And I agree to slowly bring in a flex position and 1 for next year is a good idea. I'm new to the blind bidding idea. Just wonder how that would work and how could I use this to make sure everyone uses something each week, instead of waiting till they can get it for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I kind of like that bid waivers, but how to do that after what we have now and how to implement it so that guys aren't just waiting till the free for all pickups happens after the waivers have been handed out. It would be easy to implement next season as it has no affect now, and has no affect on the draft or draft strategy. One of those things that you can actually put in place and not have to worry about it affecting current rosters, etc. As for the waiting part, first come first serve/free for all pickups have a cost associated with them. Many leagues set it to the minimum bid price ($1 in most leagues) so there is no advantage to not submitting bids for players, and I have even seen leagues set the cost higher than the minimum bid price (i.e, if league is $100 cap with $1 min. bid, FCFS pickups cost $3 each) to make it a disadvantage to wait. I am not the biggest fan of the higher FCFS amount as many times the reason to wait is to see the injury report before having to decide if you really do need to replace the kicker (ie Hanson this week) or find a TE, things like that, so you are punishing owners for not wanting to make a potentially major roster decision with incomplete information, as injury reports don't come out until Friday. Another option would be to have two bid periods per week. One is processed say Wednesday evening, and the second is processed Saturday evening. As I mentioned above, kind of like with keeper rules, there are a ton of options for waiver rules, depending on league preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Yup, I agree with you. I would like to stay away from limits. But at the moment, there isn't enough talent out there for teams to pickup when guys stock pile players like RB's on there lineups That just makes trading all the more important, and, as I alludded to in an earlier post, especially in regards to RBs, this is more because you have 2 required RBs in a 16 team league than it is about stockpiling. If a team only had to come up with 1 RB each week, he can more easily find a serviceable WR or TE on the wire than an RB if he can;t pull off a trade for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebonker Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 True, we could make it two periods and I don't mind that higher cost for free pickups either. The reason I'm saying that is because the teams that have more talent usually wait for more news before using up any waiver cost or priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I kind of like that bid waivers, but how to do that after what we have now and how to implement it so that guys aren't just waiting till the free for all pickups happens after the waivers have been handed out. If they're able to wait until after waivers run to pick up a player, then the player obvioulsy wasn't coveted enough to have competition for bids.... Part of why you lock down players at gametime is so that people can't simply snag up a hot commodity as soon as he gets hot, and allow peopel until mid-week to make an informed decision.... But if you don't submit a waiver claim and just hope you can get him for almost free later, then yes, that may work, but if he's actually that coveted, then he should have already been bid on during the waiver period. If he's not that coveted, then that's what the FCFS period is for; to pick up scraps that no one else felt was valuable to spend big bucks on... Everyone still has equal opportunity during the waiver period, so after everyone has been given that same opportunity, then why would it be an issue for someone to scoop up a player no one bothered to bid on when they had the opportunity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 True, we could make it two periods and I don't mind that higher cost for free pickups either. The reason I'm saying that is because the teams that have more talent usually wait for more news before using up any waiver cost or priority. If you snooze, you lose... If you want a highly coveted player, then you base your decision on the info available on Wednesday, and decide if it's worth bidding on... If you decide that you want to wait until after waivers run, then you run the risk of missing out on the player entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebonker Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) Well one idea I had was to have a blackout period right after the Waivers have been handed out. So if you made the waivers handed out after everyone has bid for them on tues or wed. Then wait till friday for the free for all picks. This gives everyone time to look at who was picked up on waivers and it's not always the same guys hanging around after the waivers to pickup guys. Edited November 10, 2011 by archiebonker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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