Ditkaless Wonders Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 (edited) I'd have to say that the following Q.B.'s are not as good as Tebow, or at the least are in the discussion of not being as good. McNaab Sanchez Cassel Jackson Henne Painter Collins Grossman Beck Moore Kolb. To me Tebow is a young McNaab. Not as pretty a ball maybe, but no less accurate. Of course those guys should probably be out of the league in the next few years excepting maybe Kolb and Sanchez who might grow into the role. Edited November 20, 2011 by Ditkaless Wonders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 What could possibly go wrong with this thread? I think that's a pretty solid list, excepting that you mention Kolb later and don't put him on the initial list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted November 20, 2011 Author Share Posted November 20, 2011 (edited) What could possibly go wrong with this thread? I think that's a pretty solid list, excepting that you mention Kolb later and don't put him on the initial list. Thanks for catching the Kolb oversight. Of particular interest to me after seeing Sanchez the other night was realizing that he still cannot throw a crossing pattern, has no touch on flair outs, and that his arm is so week he cannot get the ball into the endzone on a hail mary when that play starts on the opponent's side of the 50 yard line. I left off Gabbert because he is young and still has tremendous upside. I did not want to push the argument by listing three others who have had poor games but are clearly advanced beyond Tebow. I probably should have looked too at Seattle and the Rams for the starts they have had by backups, but those are backups on injured teams and that just doesn't seem right. Oh, and what to do with Orton, the man Tebow replaced? Edited November 20, 2011 by Ditkaless Wonders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Tebow has more wins than Vick and less talent around him I'll hang-up and wait for Waterboy but its probably because Jesus only loves of of them. Racist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Painter is the only name on that list that I agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted November 20, 2011 Author Share Posted November 20, 2011 Painter is the only name on that list that I agree with. I think one can make arguments either way on the others. I'm just saying it is not clear. I'm saying it is debateable. I find that interesting. What it really tells me is that there remains a solid market for all the Rookies out there as well as for Matt Flynn. Earlier this year I made an argument that Q.B. play in the league was at an all-time high, now I wonder. It will be interesting to see if Leinart and Young can enter the market discussion with their opportunities today. Sort of interesting to me actually that Leinart and Young continue to have parallels in their careers. Also, I was just fascinated at how bad Sanchez was, and that was not the first time I saw him leave a turd on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Tebow has more wins than Vick and less talent around him I'll hang-up and wait for Waterboy but its probably because Jesus only loves of of them. Racist We've all ready talked about this. The Broncos have beat bottom barrel teams and have been stomped hard by the better teams. Looking at who the Eagles lost to, it seems those teams all have winning records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 As a Browns fan I'm happy that McCoy isn't on that list. I think he can succeed, but the team needs to give him a good running game, and some threats at WR (Little could be one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Looking at who the Eagles lost to, it seems those teams all have winning records. Yep, Cards are pretty stout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 We've all ready talked about this. The Broncos have beat bottom barrel teams and have been stomped hard by the better teams. Looking at who the Eagles lost to, it seems those teams all have winning records. Really, that's the best you got? Yep, Cards are pretty stout Besides Buffalo the other 4 teams probably make the playoffs. Of course if Vick could get his completion % above 65% it would help but that's probably because he lacks good WRs and a run game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 The question for Tebow is how quickly will the game slow down for him, or will it at all. Will he be able to go through progressions? Let's say he will be able to. Will he be able to make the throws? Wouldn't expect him to make them like Rodgers, but will he be able to accurately throw a ball? I haven't seen any evidence that he'll be a QB that can. It's a good story. His comebacks are fun, his resilency is impressive, there is no doubt about his heart and what that can do for the fellas around him. He really has a soft schedule for the rest of the year - the jury will still be out in the off season and this Tebow debate will be like picnic gnats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Couch Potatoe Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I'd have to say that the following Q.B.'s are not as good as Tebow, or at the least are in the discussion of not being as good. McNaab Sanchez Cassel Jackson Henne Painter Collins Grossman Beck Moore Kolb. To me Tebow is a young McNaab. Not as pretty a ball maybe, but no less accurate. Of course those guys should probably be out of the league in the next few years excepting maybe Kolb and Sanchez who might grow into the role. Yay another Teboner thread!! Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Yay another Teboner thread!! Really? You detest them so much that you just have to post in them, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunday Couch Potatoe Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 You detest them so much that you just have to post in them, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WareandTerr Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Are we talking in a real game or fantasy wise because Tebow is better then a lot MORE QBs if its solely fantasy wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I'd have to say that the following Q.B.'s are not as good as Tebow, or at the least are in the discussion of not being as good. McNaab-OLD BUT WAS BETTER THAN TEBOW WILL EVER BE Sanchez-BETTER THAN TEBOW...AND HE SUCKS Cassel-FLAT OUT BETTER THAN TEBOW Jackson-HORRIBLE-NO BUSINESS IN THE LEAGUE Henne-HORRIBLE-NO BUSINESS IN THE LEAGUE Painter-HORRIBLE-NO BUSINESS IN THE LEAGUE Collins-OLD BUT WAS BETTER THAN TEBOW WILL EVER BE Grossman-HORRIBLE-NO BUSINESS IN THE LEAGUE Beck-HORRIBLE-NO BUSINESS IN THE LEAGUE MooreHORRIBLE-NO BUSINESS IN THE LEAGUE Kolb.BETTER THAN TEBOW To me Tebow is a young McNaab. Not as pretty a ball maybe, but no less accurate. Of course those guys should probably be out of the league in the next few years excepting maybe Kolb and Sanchez who might grow into the role. So you have picked most of the terrible qbs that have played this year. Some some are uglier as a plaer than Tebow. What's the point? That the league has terrible players at the qb position? Sure they do. Is every one one those teams looking for a better QB? Sure they are. Silly thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted November 20, 2011 Author Share Posted November 20, 2011 As a Browns fan I'm happy that McCoy isn't on that list. I think he can succeed, but the team needs to give him a good running game, and some threats at WR (Little could be one). He seems to be making progress in a less than ideal situation so I could not put him on the list. Right now he is, to me, clearly a tier up on the list of schlubs above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted November 20, 2011 Author Share Posted November 20, 2011 Yay another Teboner thread!! Really? Just trying to cast some bait. No reaal harm intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted November 20, 2011 Author Share Posted November 20, 2011 So you have picked most of the terrible qbs that have played this year. Some some are uglier as a plaer than Tebow. What's the point? That the league has terrible players at the qb position? Sure they do. Is every one one those teams looking for a better QB? Sure they are. Silly thread. It was an observation, not an argument for Tebow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 DW, your list won't really be a basis of comparison for many years...so it is decent enough. All of these guys are marginal QB's in the league at present. If you are stating that Tebow is a marginal QB in the NFL as a thesis (so to speak), I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donutrun Jellies Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Tebow is a poor man's young Vick on the Falcons (without the dogs and criminal activity). Flawed as a thrower, dynamic as a runner, enough wins to make folks wonder what could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 And yet all of those QBs (who no one thought could be quality NFL starters besides the few "Sanchize" believers) have much better completion percentages and have as much as twice the passing yards per game as the guy who supposedly shows so much promise... It is actually supposed to be easier to have a higher completion % with less weight, and teams keying in on the run should also inflate a completion % if you're a competent enough passer. So not only is it completely pointless to compare Tebow to "those guys (that) should probably be out of the league in the next few years", they're all actually better passers (and that's not including the rookies and the latest example Locker, who all are sporting better passing numbers without even the luxury of 1 offseason); Unless of course your point is that in his second year in the NFL he's slightly better (but still not even close to as good of a passer) than guys who are virtually guaranteed to not be starting in a few years without vast improvement. If so, I resoundingly agree. There are always ways to be worse as a QB, but he couldn't get any worse as an NFL passer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondString Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Vick? McNabb? LMAO. Hard to believe that those names would even come up in any comparison to Tebow arguement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWBOUND33 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Some people have a lot of time on their hands and Tebow lust in their hearts. Lock this muthertrucker right now. It will be nothing but another 25 pages of crap and arguments. Before it's too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otis29 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Interestingly enough, watching the Eagles-Giants game tonight, I realized who Tebow reminds me of - perhaps a slightly less talented Vince Young? Not sure, but I remember Vince getting some hype for "winning ugly" during his rookie year. Of course, Vince turned out to be a knucklehead, obviously that's not the case with Tebow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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