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Colts' lingering hope to win a game


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I personally feel its a mistake putting Manning out there right now, why even do it? What if he just gets hurt right off the bat and it may even be worse?

 

The season is done, i think they need to just take this time and worth on other areas of the field and let Manning prepare for next year and he will be probably more than 100% by then.

 

I really dont think they need to risk putting him on the field after how serious this neck injury has seemed to be.

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If he is healthy enough to play and wants to play, he should play. I'm sure the Colts want to see what he's like to help make long term decisions.

 

While it would be silly to rush him back if he's not ready, it would be equally silly to not let him play and just assume he'll be the same guy (or 90-95%) as in the past.

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Disagree. This is his neck, not his throwing arm or knee.

 

And problems with his neck couldn't affect his ability to play QB? To do all the things he does that make him so successful?

 

I'm not advocating they rush him back, but there's plenty of good reason to see how this injury and all these surgeries impacted your franchise player before you hand over the next big pile of cash. (Not to mention drafting plans, free agency, trades, etc.)

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He's either better or he's not. My guess is that he's not and that more time would do him good, but I'm not a doctor, so I won't speculate. That said, if he is truly better, not "good enough" but actually better? Why not?

 

The last thing I would suggest is that they rush him back the way you might with a less serious injury when your team still has a chance. But if he is, in fact, better, why not?

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If he's healthy and there's no risk beyond the standard being a QB in the NFL type risk, then he should play. The team needs to know how to handle him contract-wise and other teams that might be interested in him need to see how he has progressed. More importantly, though, Manning needs to know how he's going to feel going out there. If he's in fear on every play and bailing out then he needs to retire and if he's not he needs to discuss what's going to happen with Indy.

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And problems with his neck couldn't affect his ability to play QB? To do all the things he does that make him so successful?
Not saying no effect but I don't think that dramatically. Not sure tho.

 

before you hand over the next big pile of cash.
Too late, did that earlier this year.

 

 

The last thing I would suggest is that they rush him back the way you might with a less serious injury when your team still has a chance. But if he is, in fact, better, why not?

Because it's tons of risk for no gain? Only thing I can see is to avoid the 0-16 thing. Otherwise who cares if you're 2-14 vs 1-15 (etc)?

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Because it's tons of risk for no gain? Only thing I can see is to avoid the 0-16 thing. Otherwise who cares if you're 2-14 vs 1-15 (etc)?

By that logic, every team should stop playing any important starter once they've been eliminated from the play-off hunt. Because my entire post is based on the fact that he is, in fact, better. As in, completely fine and no worse off than any other guy heading out on the field on any given Sunday. No threat of major injury above and beyond the threat that every player faces when he goes on the field.

 

So, what's the difference between playing a completely healthy Manning and any other crappy team playing any other major starter?

 

ETA: I forgot to include this in my quote, but they do have a big pile of cash that they'll need to hand over before next year, so that is very much in play.

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5 games left. Baltimore, NE and Houston are pretty much locks for losses. That leaves Tennessee and Jacksonville as the only realistic possibilities for a W.

 

Andrew Luck is on the way

 

as a Seahawk fan, I am jealous of such a fine 0-16 campaign. Luck makes it all worthwhile

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By that logic, every team should stop playing any important starter once they've been eliminated from the play-off hunt. Because my entire post is based on the fact that he is, in fact, better. As in, completely fine and no worse off than any other guy heading out on the field on any given Sunday. No threat of major injury above and beyond the threat that every player faces when he goes on the field.

 

So, what's the difference between playing a completely healthy Manning and any other crappy team playing any other major starter?

 

ETA: I forgot to include this in my quote, but they do have a big pile of cash that they'll need to hand over before next year, so that is very much in play.

 

I don't think BeeR gets that or will agree. I guess he just thinks Manning should sit there, and then the team pay him his bonuses and salary heading into 2012 season and see if he's ready in Sept. And if he's not, well they can have another terrible year and figure out their future after that.

 

If they play Manning it isn't to avoid going 0-16, it is to evaluate where he's at in his recovery and what the Colts need to do long term.

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Too late, did that earlier this year.

 

Once again, wrong. They will have to make a decision on whether or not to pay him his roster bonus this spring. If they don't, they can effectively walk away from his contract.

 

Because it's tons of risk for no gain? Only thing I can see is to avoid the 0-16 thing. Otherwise who cares if you're 2-14 vs 1-15 (etc)?

 

Guys listen. He's not going to play this year. He wants to practice. The Colts want to see him practice. That's the whole reason they haven't put him on IR. If he goes on IR, he cannot practice with the team. He's never going to play a down in a game this year.

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captainhook,

 

So your belief is they only want to see him practice and will decide on next year based on that alone, not actually playing in a game?

 

Thanks for pointing out the bonuses in the spring, that is exactly what I was getting at, plus the 2012 pay, and the whole Colts QB of the future discussion.

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This is all posturing by the colts to pretend that they're not tanking the season. What do they care if he's taking up a roster spot? They're not trying to win anyway. Manning won't play another down for the Colts this year or any other year. They're drafting Luck and there's no sense paying a less than 100% Manning all that dough so he can play one season while he tutors Luck. He may play for another team but wouldn't shock me if he just retired.

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This is all posturing by the colts to pretend that they're not tanking the season. What do they care if he's taking up a roster spot? They're not trying to win anyway. Manning won't play another down for the Colts this year or any other year. They're drafting Luck and there's no sense paying a less than 100% Manning all that dough so he can play one season while he tutors Luck. He may play for another team but wouldn't shock me if he just retired.

His retiring is a distinct possibility. He brought his infant twins into the locker room after the game yesterday. He has been intensely private with his children up to this point. It makes me wonder why he chose now to show them off to the media.

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By that logic, every team should stop playing any important starter once they've been eliminated from the play-off hunt. Because my entire post is based on the fact that he is, in fact, better. As in, completely fine and no worse off than any other guy heading out on the field on any given Sunday. No threat of major injury above and beyond the threat that every player faces when he goes on the field.

 

So, what's the difference between playing a completely healthy Manning and any other crappy team playing any other major starter?

 

ETA: I forgot to include this in my quote, but they do have a big pile of cash that they'll need to hand over before next year, so that is very much in play.

Because this is not the slippery slope you're trying to make it out to be. Manning is not simply "any major starter" on the team, basically HE IS the team. That has been made glaringly clear. And as the franchise and a rather unique case it should be treated as such. That said, I can see the team wanting to get a look at him in action, and thx for info on the contact thing.

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His retiring is a distinct possibility. He brought his infant twins into the locker room after the game yesterday. He has been intensely private with his children up to this point. It makes me wonder why he chose now to show them off to the media.
Harrison was in town for the Ring of Honor, so maybe Peyton was showing him off. They were also baptized earlier in the day so maybe that changed things up a little.
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Because this is not the slippery slope you're trying to make it out to be. Manning is not simply "any major starter" on the team, basically HE IS the team. That has been made glaringly clear. And as the franchise and a rather unique case it should be treated as such. That said, I can see the team wanting to get a look at him in action, and thx for info on the contact thing.

Dude, why are you always implying some nefarious agenda?

 

Sure, Manning has meant more to the Colts than any player has meant to his team. That doesn't mean that other teams would be cavalier with major starters on their team. And, frankly, it makes more sense for Indy to have Manning play than it does for some other teams who are out of contention to play their key starters.

 

Like others have pointed out and you got wrong, they're going to have to scratch a big check to him next spring. Assuming he's not in any more danger than any other player on the field, why not have a look? It's not likely to change whether or not they take Luck, but it may change whether or not they pay Manning a ton of money to start in front of him for a couple of years.

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It's not likely to change whether or not they take Luck, but it may change whether or not they pay Manning a ton of money to start in front of him for a couple of years.

 

 

7/30/2011: Signed five-year, $90 million contract. The deal contains $54.4 million guaranteed, including a $20 million signing bonus and $28 million option bonus to be paid on an undisclosed date. 2011: $3.4 million (+ $3 million roster bonus) , 2012: $7.4 million, 2013: $8.4 million, 2014: $9.4 million, 2015: $10.4 million, 2016: Free Agent

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7/30/2011: Signed five-year, $90 million contract. The deal contains $54.4 million guaranteed, including a $20 million signing bonus and $28 million option bonus to be paid on an undisclosed date. 2011: $3.4 million (+ $3 million roster bonus) , 2012: $7.4 million, 2013: $8.4 million, 2014: $9.4 million, 2015: $10.4 million, 2016: Free Agent

I think you missed something. The $28 million, I believe, is the amount they've got to pay him between now and next year if they want to keep him.

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I think you missed something. The $28 million, I believe, is the amount they've got to pay him between now and next year if they want to keep him.

That is correct. They can cut him in the spring and walk away from the rest of the contract with a minimal cap hit.

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