GReatONE Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 In one of my leagues, one of the managers has, on the surface, thrown in the towel. Over the last 5 weeks he has not changed his roster, which has included players on bye and injured. The commish spoke w/ him a few weeks back and he said he would "pay more attention". He hasn't. I don't know if his poor start to the season had something to do with this or other personal affairs, but it has had a major effect on the league heading towards the playoffs. This guy has always been competitive in the league, which I must add, has been around for many years and is not a free league. The commish has already stated that this guy will not be invited back to the league next year, which I believe all of the league members are in agreement. My main question, is has this happened in any of your leagues and do you have any rules in effect if this happens? I know that sometimes things come up and you may not be able to get to your lineups before kickoff, but for something long term, what do you do? I was going to recommend that the players with the highest projections, as provided by the league website, be placed in lineup by the commish. Again, just curious how your league rules handle such a situation. Hopefully this hasn't happened to any of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 We have a loser's bracket for the bottom teams. The winner of the loser's bracket gets the #1 pick the following season. Oh, and only play in money leagues, free league's suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanTheMan_5 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 In one of my leagues, one of the managers has, on the surface, thrown in the towel. Over the last 5 weeks he has not changed his roster, which has included players on bye and injured. The commish spoke w/ him a few weeks back and he said he would "pay more attention". He hasn't. I don't know if his poor start to the season had something to do with this or other personal affairs, but it has had a major effect on the league heading towards the playoffs. This guy has always been competitive in the league, which I must add, has been around for many years and is not a free league. The commish has already stated that this guy will not be invited back to the league next year, which I believe all of the league members are in agreement. My main question, is has this happened in any of your leagues and do you have any rules in effect if this happens? I know that sometimes things come up and you may not be able to get to your lineups before kickoff, but for something long term, what do you do? I was going to recommend that the players with the highest projections, as provided by the league website, be placed in lineup by the commish. Again, just curious how your league rules handle such a situation. Hopefully this hasn't happened to any of you. I run a sportsline league where this happened last year. I gave the guy a warning, he did it again and I kicked him out immediately. I set his lineup weekly for rest of season based on guru predictions, and he forfeited his league fee. The agreement was that his team was not playoff eligeable, regardless of final record. That went over fine with my league mates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 We have a loser's bracket for the bottom teams. The winner of the loser's bracket gets the #1 pick the following season. Oh, and only play in money leagues, free league's suck. OP said it wasn't a free league. While there is nothing you can do to force someone to set a lineup, etc., some rule ideas: Weekly prizes - high points for example. One league I was in had a different prize each week for a different feat, between highest points, team lowest in standings with a win and some categories, especially later on, were things like biggest upset (based on standings rank, so if the 7th ranked team beat the #1 team it was a 6, and if the #11 team beat the #3 team, it was worth 8 and they'd get the weekly prize that week). Things like that encourage teams that are ranked low to put up their best effort to get a win and get some money back. Combine that with a draft lottery so that there is no guarantee of the 1st pick the following year (for keeper leagues) for finishing last and there is no compelling reason for a team to not compete to it's fullest each week. Regarding the above, the main reason, especially later on, to not just reward most points scored is because that is not much encouragement for teams in lower standings that may have no realistic shot at getting that prize. Other categories to scatter in throughout the season are things like most points in a losing effort, lowest point winner, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanTheMan_5 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 OP said it wasn't a free league. "While there is nothing you can do to force someone to set a lineup, etc., some rule ideas: Weekly prizes - high points for example. " We also do weekly prizes. It does make it fun and keep people interested. Every week is different. Some examples Most receptions by a WR Most passing yards by a QB Team that beats opponent my most points (should be a non-bye week prize) etc etc I think the whole weekly prize thing could be an interesting thread of it's own. We also have a Toilet Bowl that the bottom teams play for to keep them involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 We have a loser's bracket for the bottom teams. The winner of the loser's bracket gets the #1 pick the following season. Oh, and only play in money leagues, free league's suck. Loser bracket as well. They actually play for their money back. We did this to keep everyone interested. I am taking the loser bracket bowl this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 We have awards for individual position competitions every week. And we also have a high/low competition through the last 6 weeks. High score for the week gets X while Low score for the week pays X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSupe4You Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 We had a rule in a league that I used to be in that if you didn't submit a line up and lost there was a $5 fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 We have a no-tanking/apathy rule in my dynasty leagues (you agree to play out all 13 games), but it is only really enforceable in the way you mentioned, by not inviting them back next year. You cannot start changing his lineup now if you haven't been doing that since you first noticed it (and really need a rule that says you will/can, and what it will be based on). It is not fair to the owner who would have to face him full-strength, while the last 5 got easy wins (unless of course he sets it himself). It is not your place to decide at this arbitrary point that you're going to do something about it, when nothing was done before... Honestly, try as you may, it's going to happen nearly every season with someone, so I don't have any recommendation other than to keep replacing owners until you hopefully Josh Gordon out all the bad ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GReatONE Posted December 1, 2011 Author Share Posted December 1, 2011 I appreciate the advise on weekly prizes and a toilet bowl, which we do have weekly prizes. I'm more concerned about what rules to put in place to address this situation. I like the $5 rule, but if the guy quits, I doubt he is going to pay up. Again, I believe this is that rare situation, so I'm not sure if any of you guys have further advise so we can incorporate a rule for the future. Thanks again for the advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 We take less money from the Championship bucket and spread it out over many different areas, which forces teams to stay interested. Each week, the high point team and the 2nd highest gets cash. Each week, the team that slaughters a team by the most points gets cash and the slaughteree PAYS cash. We have a running total for the highest team point total (1/2/3) for the year We have a running total for the highest individual player point total (1/2/3) for the year So...if someone throws in the towel, they have a higher chance of getting slaughtered, and they have to pay cash. If in fact this is brought to my attention, I'll warn the team, and if they don't stay active, I will set their lineup for them. The commish needs to take control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 We take less money from the Championship bucket and spread it out over many different areas, which forces teams to stay interested. Each week, the high point team and the 2nd highest gets cash. Each week, the team that slaughters a team by the most points gets cash and the slaughteree PAYS cash. We have a running total for the highest team point total (1/2/3) for the year We have a running total for the highest individual player point total (1/2/3) for the year So...if someone throws in the towel, they have a higher chance of getting slaughtered, and they have to pay cash. If in fact this is brought to my attention, I'll warn the team, and if they don't stay active, I will set their lineup for them. The commish needs to take control. My big money local is a $300 by in, but the high scoring team every week gets $100, and the championship is for US$1500.00. With two weeks to go, not only am I fighting for a 7-7 record, but both of the final $100 prizes. That, along with a Week 12 kickoff trading deadline keeps everyone involved, unless they have a team that has cratered through injuries at this point in the year. And payout ratio like that is doable: 1/3 of any by in can be paid out each week. That is strong incentive to keep playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 We had a rule in a league that I used to be in that if you didn't submit a line up and lost there was a $5 fee. I presume league management software reset the starting line-up each week so you had to go in and set a line-up? I thought I heard some people saying that MFL does (or can do) that. I prefer letting line-ups carry over from week to week, if you're busy and haven't seen anything to require a change you can just let it go. delusions makes a great point about not being able to start setting "best line-up" now after this went on and was noticed for several week, as it gives an unfair advantage to teams that faced the inactive owner earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 We had a rule in a league that I used to be in that if you didn't submit a line up and lost there was a $5 fee. Interesting. But what if an owner simply wantedto carry over his previous week's lineup this did not "submit" anything? I know MFL has several settings, one of which automatically submits the previous week's lineup at the start of each week so that a lineup is present. I appreciate the advise on weekly prizes and a toilet bowl, which we do have weekly prizes. I'm more concerned about what rules to put in place to address this situation. I like the $5 rule, but if the guy quits, I doubt he is going to pay up. Again, I believe this is that rare situation, so I'm not sure if any of you guys have further advise so we can incorporate a rule for the future. Thanks again for the advice. In the first league I played in, we had a rule in place that each loss cost $2 plus 10 cents per point that you lost by. (Irrelevant side note is that FA pickups were via blind bid and cost real money - so bid $10 on a player, you paid $10 cash - this was eventually eliminated as at the time we were a mix of college students and some recent graduates leading to very different economic means) When I commished the league, every owner paid up a deposit that was essentially a debit account against loss and transaction costs. When that account got close to being drained, they were asked to deposit more. If their balance reached $0, they could not make FA moves until topping up the account. This real financial incentive to not lose ceretainly kept teams from losing interest or tanking, and kept them trying to improve their team every week even if they were eliminated from playoff contention to reduce how much they owed. The only very minor headache was distributing remaining balances to everyone, but that is a lot easier than trying to collect from people after the fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 The only very minor headache was distributing remaining balances to everyone, but that is a lot easier than trying to collect from people after the fact. No doubt, trying to collect from people after the season is over is a pain. We have to do that for roster moves made, unless you win money then it comes out of there. We had an owner one year that was taking forever to pay up (small amount but commish already paid all winners, so he was out the money). And when he'd be reminded and asked to send a check he always had some lame excuse. Of course if they win they want their money right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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