Upgrade VJax?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[keggerz]

https://twitter.com/#/JohnOehser/status/142994870569676800

 

Jaguars have put starting CB William Middleton on IR...move pretty much came out of the blue...in case you weren't keeping track...

11/14 Starting CB Rashean Mathis goes on IR

11/25 Starting CB Derek Cox goes on IR

12/3 Starting CB William MIddleton goes on IR

 

On 11/22 they also put Clint Session on IR

 

Chargers OL is fubared, and the Jags D has been hit hard by injuries...could cancel each other out...but if I had to guess I think that VJax and company are in line for a big game.

[CowboyGal2011]

Youboty will catch more balls that Vjax.

[nuke'em ttg]

Not as juicy as Brady ta T.O. that's why i shop at the huddle

[Furd]

Upgrade him from turd to turd burglar?

 

Or is it from turd burglar to turd?

[Chargerz]

Hmmmm....

 

I have to pick between VJax and Wallace. I wonder....

[Sunday Couch Potatoe]

Youboty will catch more balls that Vjax.

Huh.. ?

 

Morning involving Coffee and Vodka?

[CowboyGal2011]

Huh.. ?

 

Morning involving Coffee and Vodka?

 

Shame on you!

[Sunday Couch Potatoe]

Shame on you!

[buddahj]

I'll be staring him because I have nobody better.

[TitleTown]

The last 3 weeks, Jacksonville has played Indy, Houston, and Cleveland. They've hardly been tested.

[giantsfan]

Isn't this game essentially does SD come to play or not?

 

Are they fired up to maybe try and save some season for themselves and maybe try and save Norv's job?

OR

Have they packed it in. Don't care about Norv. And think their season is over and flying across the country for a Monday night road game is the last thing they care about.

 

To me that is the question. Because if they truly come in fired up and ready to play I find it hard o believe that all the SD players aren't good starts, from their D to Mathews.

 

Jacks is beat up, lost a ton of players on D, just fired their coach, and are just bad. And while SD meets some of those comments also, they still have talent on O and on D that Jacks can't come close to. This is NOT the same Jacks team/D that shut down Balt 6 weeks ago on Monday night.

 

Personally, I think SD comes to play a good game and tries to salvage something. I might give VJax and their D a run this weekend.

[stevegrab]

Great one more thing to consider when deciding if I play Rivers this week or go with Matt Moore who I just picked up to replace Kolb for the stretch run (hopefully making the playoffs).

[buddahj]

Great one more thing to consider when deciding if I play Rivers this week or go with Matt Moore who I just picked up to replace Kolb for the stretch run (hopefully making the playoffs).

If it helps make your decision easier, I'm starting Moore over Rothlisberger today.

[BA Baracus]

Upgrade him from turd to turd burglar?

 

Or is it from turd burglar to turd?

 

 

I think it's from turd to dry fart...what the hell, I'll start the bastard.

[stevegrab]

If it helps make your decision easier, I'm starting Moore over Rothlisberger today.

 

Thanks. JUM also recommended/advised going with Moore over Rivers. I think I'm rolling with Moore now.

 

But I have that old fantasy manager's feeling, if I finally bench Rivers he'll go off for 300,3.

 

Like many people big week with playoffs on the line. Win and I'm in, win with some help I win my division. Lose and may chances of making the playoffs go down a lot.

[CowboyGal2011]

When it's close, I would always start players in prime time, I can easily see SD walking away with this one, and Rivers has a huge day. Knighton is back, there will be very little room to run. The secondary is starting an undrafted rookie free agent, and a guy whose been on the team for a few weeks. SD should shred them.

[i_am_the_swammi]

When it's close, I would always start players in prime time, I can easily see SD walking away with this one, and Rivers has a huge day. Knighton is back, there will be very little room to run. The secondary is starting an undrafted rookie free agent, and a guy whose been on the team for a few weeks. SD should shred them.

 

I'd agree with all of this....except the SD OL is still in pass-protection shambles, and there shouldn't really be a ton of reason for them to throw a bunch, as I don't see a shootout. Oh, and they are coached by Norv Turner.

 

I'm rolling with Marshall and AJ Green over VJax this week...may regret it if Vjax has a hugh first half, but I just don't see them needing to throw a bunch in the 2nd-half in this one, other than short possession passes to keep drives alive. I'll take the others in 60 minutes of potential passing than 30 minutes with Jackson.

[Brentastic]

Wait, people are really starting Moore over Rivers

 

Good luck with that. I realize Rivers isn't having his best season but

A. He's still an elite QB, imo and

B. Mean reversion

C. Rivers is waaaayyyy better than Moore and has better weapons and has O-Coordinator who loves to pass

[stevegrab]

Wait, people are really starting Moore over Rivers

 

Good luck with that. I realize Rivers isn't having his best season but

A. He's still an elite QB, imo and

B. Mean reversion

C. Rivers is waaaayyyy better than Moore and has better weapons and has O-Coordinator who loves to pass

 

I've been struggling with this decision for the last couple of days, currently Moore is in my line-up over Rivers and will probably stay that way.

 

You raise some good points, but ignore most of what swammi says (bad OL, may not need to pass a lot, etc) plus the fact that you have a SD team in shambles, traveling east to play in primetime (where Rivers has embarrassed himself regularly this year).

 

Rivers may be way better than Moore, but he hasn't produced like it, and certainly not a stud or elite QB this year.

[Balzac]

Good info - strange it hasn't been reported elsewhere. Struggling with Stevie J v VJax, but this might tilt me in the latter's favor.

Edited December 4, 2011 by Balzac

[Brentastic]

I've been struggling with this decision for the last couple of days, currently Moore is in my line-up over Rivers and will probably stay that way.

 

You raise some good points, but ignore most of what swammi says (bad OL, may not need to pass a lot, etc) plus the fact that you have a SD team in shambles, traveling east to play in primetime (where Rivers has embarrassed himself regularly this year).

 

Rivers may be way better than Moore, but he hasn't produced like it, and certainly not a stud or elite QB this year.

JAX has a stout run defense and I'm not buying the argument that the Chargers may not need to pass a lot. They will pass a lot becasue it will be the only way they can score. Matt Moore has done better than expected but he doesn't have near the weapons as Rivers and he's still Matt Moore at the end of the day. Playing the hot hand isn't a good strategy in FF UNLESS, it's between guys who are mediocre or long-shots. I think starting Moore over Rivers is over-analyzing the situ. I'm the type of owner who drafts a starting lineup and rolls with it every week unless injury or some other unforeseen event. I'm guessing you drafted Rivers early enough to be your starter and not Matt Moore.

Edited December 4, 2011 by Brentastic

[stevegrab]

JAX has a stout run defense and I'm not buying the argument that the Chargers may not need to pass a lot. They will pass a lot becasue it will be the only way they can score. Matt Moore has done better than expected but he doesn't have near the weapons as Rivers and he's still Matt Moore at the end of the day. Playing the hot hand isn't a good strategy in FF UNLESS, it's between guys who are mediocre or long-shots. I think starting Moore over Rivers is over-analyzing the situ. I'm the type of owner who drafts a starting lineup and rolls with it every week unless injury or some other unforeseen event. I'm guessing you drafted Rivers early enough to be your starter and not Matt Moore.

Rivers was one of my 5 keepers, and has been a big part of my franchise for years. But I don't start guys based on where I drafted them, or how high up my keeper list they were. I also had DWill as a keeper and he's only recently gotten into my starting line-up.

 

You make good points about the Jags D, and I know their secondary is decimated (what this thread started with). But I'm afraid Rivers has one of his bad weeks again and it costs me. Last 6 games are 9-9-17-17-31-9 (may be out of order but those are the scores). I cannot afford that risk, just as I cannot afford the risk that the Giants D scores a zero again, so I picked up the Broncos and are playing them.

 

Contrast that with Moore over the last 6 has scoring 9-11-22-5-21-11, more consistent scoring. Oh, well 1PM has come, and my line-up is set, we'll see how it goes.

 

You can call it overanalyzing if you want. But it sounds like your view is more based on OLD historical performance, player ability and talent around them, as well as draft position. IMO not a great way to run a fantasy squad ignoring recent trends.

[keggerz]

I've been struggling with this decision for the last couple of days, currently Moore is in my line-up over Rivers and will probably stay that way.

 

You raise some good points, but ignore most of what swammi says (bad OL, may not need to pass a lot, etc) plus the fact that you have a SD team in shambles, traveling east to play in primetime (where Rivers has embarrassed himself regularly this year).

 

Rivers may be way better than Moore, but he hasn't produced like it, and certainly not a stud or elite QB this year.

I picked up Moore back in early October mainly because his end of year schedule looked so appealing.

[stevegrab]

I picked up Moore back in early October mainly because his end of year schedule looked so appealing.

 

Yep, a big part of why I picked him up to replace Kolb (even though he's back from the injury). He won't be an automatic starter over Rivers, but will get strong consideration. Last few years the way Rivers was playing I mostly ignored my backup QB.

 

Thanks to all the huddlers for their feedback, even Brentastic who I don't totally agree with. Sorry if I turned this thread into a WDIS, didn't intend that.

[Brentastic]

Rivers was one of my 5 keepers, and has been a big part of my franchise for years. But I don't start guys based on where I drafted them, or how high up my keeper list they were. I also had DWill as a keeper and he's only recently gotten into my starting line-up.

 

You make good points about the Jags D, and I know their secondary is decimated (what this thread started with). But I'm afraid Rivers has one of his bad weeks again and it costs me. Last 6 games are 9-9-17-17-31-9 (may be out of order but those are the scores). I cannot afford that risk, just as I cannot afford the risk that the Giants D scores a zero again, so I picked up the Broncos and are playing them.

 

Contrast that with Moore over the last 6 has scoring 9-11-22-5-21-11, more consistent scoring. Oh, well 1PM has come, and my line-up is set, we'll see how it goes.

 

You can call it overanalyzing if you want. But it sounds like your view is more based on OLD historical performance, player ability and talent around them, as well as draft position. IMO not a great way to run a fantasy squad ignoring recent trends.

It's your team, I'm just trying to nudge you in what I think is the "right" direction. Of the points you posted above, I see 2 start-worthy games from Moore and 3 from Rivers. Moore also has the lowest with a 5 point stinker. I just think Rivers is a no-brainer. He's having a down year but there are still 5 games left - mean regression. Rivers is still playing, still in his prime and still has his weapons. That's my only point. There's nothing glaringly off to suggest starting Moore. It's not like Moore has a super high celing. I just can't see the justification in your case. Best of luck though.