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Curious about people's opinions of Tate for the rest of this season. I've been a big fan of this kid since he was at ND, drafting him in 2 different rookie drafts. I see a Steve Smith type of guy who has a knack for grabbing the ball at it's highest point, despite his smaller RB frame (which is part of why he came in so raw and developmental, BTW, he used to be a RB).

 

Lots have been waiting for a breakout from him, and in dynasty, he could be an even bigger prospect if SEA does what we all expect, and trade or draft a better QB next year.... But as for this year, he has Baldwin, Lynch and T. Jackson all standing to limit his upside, even with Sidney Rice out.... He has had 2 TDs the last two weeks, however, and the coaches are absolutely raving about him (also keep in mind that Carroll saw what Tate was capable of when he was at USC facing ND)...

 

So whatcha think? Is he as high-risk as many think this year, or is this just the opportunity he needs to break out into the playmaker his dynasty owners have been waiting for? (BTW, not really looking for a definitive answer, just opinions from those who've watched and studied him).

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Well he now considered the #1 in Seattle so I can definitely see him putting up some numbers.

He's actually still the #4 WR, but they feature him in most of the specialty sets (mostly 1 WR sets). He's still Baldwin's backup at the slot and plays in 4 WR sets, but he does have a few packages designed for him. Obomanu actually gets the start at the X in Rice's place. There is little question that he has a higher top-end than Baldwin, but Baldwin is a smart, consistent player, and Tate hasn't shown that quite yet. For example, he finally got that TD two weeks ago, and then in Golden Tate fashion, got a 15-yarder for the celebration. At least now he is taking 2 steps forward and one step back, rather than the other way around. 4 receptions in a game is still his career high, so unless he scores a TD, he isn't going to get you much. I love the talent. The kid has a real juice about him. He plays with explosiveness and you're right, he does go catch the ball at it's highest point, but he is only 5'9", so you can't exactly chuck it up to him. They're working him in more and more, so I do think you're going to see some big plays from him, but I don't think he has evolved in the offense far enough to where a 1 or 2 catch performance for 15 yards won't happen fairly often. Baldwin has totally killed his value. Baldwin just keeps making plays. Tate has looked promising, but Baldwin is already seemingly a legit slot receiver. Tate is still going up the hill.

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Here is the snap count for the Eagles game:

 

Tate: 51 snaps

Williams: 27

Baldwin: 12

Butler: 10

Obomanu: 8

 

Not arguing with you as you have a better finger on the pulse of the SeaChickens than I....but numbers don't lie.

 

 

And the depth charts list Obomanu as the #1, Tate as the #2 and Baldwin the #3/slot.

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He has been sitting on my taxi squad in 3 dynasty leagues and I can't start him this year but sure hoping he shows enough signs of life the rest of the way to move him to active roster next year in a couple of my leagues ,,, I think he has plenty of upside next year and forward

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Here is the snap count for the Eagles game:

 

Tate: 51 snaps

Williams: 27

Baldwin: 12

Butler: 10

Obomanu: 8

 

Not arguing with you as you have a better finger on the pulse of the SeaChickens than I....but numbers don't lie.

 

 

And the depth charts list Obomanu as the #1, Tate as the #2 and Baldwin the #3/slot.

Tarvaris only threw the ball 16 times last week. The Seahawks spent all night in their 2 TE sets, pouding Marshawn, with Tate as the single receiver to block. I would bet a list of targets wouldn't be nearly as lopsided. Also, Williams and Obomanu both were dinged and sat out for large stretches, and Tate played the Y for a few quarters. I don't think Tate has passed Williams yet as the #2 WR, but there are questions about Williams' attitude, so that may well be the case, but typically in 3 WR sets, Tate isn't on the field.

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Ok I dug a little and here are some of the numbers I found:

 

Tate was involved in 51 plays. 1 run play, 20 pass plays and 30 passing blocks (wow) ProfootballFocus gave him a +1.9 as a pass block WR. That is telling about his blocking ability downfield. I wish more WR's could/would do that. Not a bad trait to have as a WR IMO.

 

As far as targets goes: He was thrown at 4 times (led all WR's in targets) and had 4 receptions for 47yds. Thats a 11.8 avg....not bad.

 

So he's holding onto the ball when its thrown his way at least. Obomanu and Baldwin each had 2 targets while Williams had 1.

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I'm guessing a lot of owners will overpay for him just based on this this week. Given their current roster and the fact that they will be getting Rice back next year I think he's a hugh long shot to pan out. He may be worth stashing away, but when he's got gouys like Rice, Baldwin & even Mike Williams to contend with then I can't imagine he'll be much more than a hit-or-miss backup on any dynasty squad

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Curious about people's opinions of Tate for the rest of this season. I've been a big fan of this kid since he was at ND, drafting him in 2 different rookie drafts. I see a Steve Smith type of guy who has a knack for grabbing the ball at it's highest point, despite his smaller RB frame (which is part of why he came in so raw and developmental, BTW, he used to be a RB).

 

Really? He doesn't strike me as being particularly tough or "smart" or have a nose for the football whatsoever. Doug Baldwin, a UDFA came in to play the same position this season and schooled him from day one. It's taken injuries to Sidney Rice and Mike WIlliams for Tate to step into an opportunity.

 

As a Seahawks fan, I hope he develops his physical skills into football skills on the field in a way that allows him to flourish, but as a fantasy option, I'd be a little hesitant to add him as anything other than a deep flex.

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Really? He doesn't strike me as being particularly tough or "smart" or have a nose for the football whatsoever. Doug Baldwin, a UDFA came in to play the same position this season and schooled him from day one. It's taken injuries to Sidney Rice and Mike WIlliams for Tate to step into an opportunity.

 

As a Seahawks fan, I hope he develops his physical skills into football skills on the field in a way that allows him to flourish, but as a fantasy option, I'd be a little hesitant to add him as anything other than a deep flex.

Just because Baldwin came in as a far more NFL-ready player than Tate doesn't mean that he has the upside of Golden, who has great hands and a knack for getting up and catching the ball at it's highest point, as he showed on a TD in the last game... So just because he hasn't been ready (he did come in as a project guy who was extremely raw in things like route-running, which probably contributed to him being a 2nd rounder, not first), does not mean that he can't easily continue this rise on the depth chart like many guys do in their 2nd or 3rd year (how long it typiclally takes most WRs to start achieving their upside). Baldwin might have earned a spot in the slot regardless, but I don't see who's going to push Tate out of the #2 role if not #1 if Rice still can't stay healthy.

 

Other than Rice, Tate is more talented than every single one of the other recievers the Seahawks have on roster... As for a fantasy option this year, I tend to agree he may not be worth starting outside of this great matchup this week agianst St. Louis, but as a dynasty prospect, I think we're all just now getting to see what he's really capable of... Go back and watch film of the guy at ND. He's a playmaker...

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Just because Baldwin came in as a far more NFL-ready player than Tate doesn't mean that he has the upside of Golden, who has great hands and a knack for getting up and catching the ball at it's highest point, as he showed on a TD in the last game... So just because he hasn't been ready (he did come in as a project guy who was extremely raw in things like route-running, which probably contributed to him being a 2nd rounder, not first), does not mean that he can't easily continue this rise on the depth chart like many guys do in their 2nd or 3rd year (how long it typiclally takes most WRs to start achieving their upside). Baldwin might have earned a spot in the slot regardless, but I don't see who's going to push Tate out of the #2 role if not #1 if Rice still can't stay healthy.

 

Other than Rice, Tate is more talented than every single one of the other recievers the Seahawks have on roster... As for a fantasy option this year, I tend to agree he may not be worth starting outside of this great matchup this week agianst St. Louis, but as a dynasty prospect, I think we're all just now getting to see what he's really capable of... Go back and watch film of the guy at ND. He's a playmaker...

 

 

Add the fact that he getting DOUBLE the snaps of any other WR, be it for blocking purposes, gets him on the field and game time experience. I'm no Tate homer by any stretch of the imagination, but when I dove into his snap count, those pass blocking snaps really jumped out at me.

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Add the fact that he getting DOUBLE the snaps of any other WR, be it for blocking purposes, gets him on the field and game time experience. I'm no Tate homer by any stretch of the imagination, but when I dove into his snap count, those pass blocking snaps really jumped out at me.

 

He also claims that Pete is too tough on him. :wacko:

 

He almost missed the first snap of the game last Thursday because he was too busy watching Bill Russell raise the 12th man flag. He is going to get a ton of opportunities these last couple of weeks so we will see if he can show some of the talent people say he has.

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I have heard (and occasionally bought into) the hype about Golden Tate for about three years now, and thus I am skeptical. I have to admit when I saw this thread's subtitle ("ready to break out?") I instinctively started working up a Clearasil joke.

 

This says more about my jaded perspective than Tate's abilities and opportunities, but he is one of those players who has burned me too many times in the past to trust.

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I have heard (and occasionally bought into) the hype about Golden Tate for about three years now, and thus I am skeptical. I have to admit when I saw this thread's subtitle ("ready to break out?") I instinctively started working up a Clearasil joke.

 

This says more about my jaded perspective than Tate's abilities and opportunities, but he is one of those players who has burned me too many times in the past to trust.

:wacko:

 

You sure you're not thinking about Brandon Tate? Golden was a rookie last year, and either way, I don't really see how either of those guys could burn you, other than maybe burning like a 15th round pick or FA claim, and roster spot until you had enough reason to drop them. They (were in Brandon's case) guys you stash in hopes, but no expectation, that they could break out some time soon... I don't even think I was high enough on Tate to get burned by him, particularly in Seattle, where most guys disappear off the radar until they emerge....

 

Not trying to dispute you, but care to elaborate on how he burned you before he even appeared to break out?

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A second round pick on a team that looked to be empty of playmakers? :wacko:

 

I know of quite a few people that were burned in dynasty leagues drafting him based on his performance thus far . . .

Well, if you're talking dynasty, then yes I suppose, but didn't most people fairly quickly realize that he was a work in progress, and purely a DTS stash?

 

I still don't see how having too high of expectations too early for the guy who needed time to polish, is the same as getting burned by a guy (at a position that frankly usually takes time to develop, particularly for the raw Greg Littles of the world).

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Well, if you're talking dynasty, then yes I suppose, but didn't most people fairly quickly realize that he was a work in progress, and purely a DTS stash?

 

I still don't see how having too high of expectations too early for the guy who needed time to polish, is the same as getting burned by a guy (at a position that frankly usually takes time to develop, particularly for the raw Greg Littles of the world).

 

It depends on when your rookie draft was held. :wacko:

 

It seems you are hung up on the term "burned". If it wazs changed to "disappointed that he has been almost invisible for almost 2 years on a team that needs playmakers" better?

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It depends on when your rookie draft was held. :wacko:

 

It seems you are hung up on the term "burned". If it wazs changed to "disappointed that he has been almost invisible for almost 2 years on a team that needs playmakers" better?

It's not the "burned" part that gets me, it's using it in association with a raw rookie and now 2nd year WR. Yes, it's taken even longer than many expected to show progress in any meaningful way, but he's certainly not behind schedule in how long you expect it to be before they're a safe start. Expecting your 1.06 rookie pick (or late round pick in a redraft) to be an immediate contributor in his first year and a half is a bit over-optimistic, don't you think?

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Just because Baldwin came in as a far more NFL-ready player than Tate doesn't mean that he has the upside of Golden, who has great hands and a knack for getting up and catching the ball at it's highest point, as he showed on a TD in the last game... So just because he hasn't been ready (he did come in as a project guy who was extremely raw in things like route-running, which probably contributed to him being a 2nd rounder, not first), does not mean that he can't easily continue this rise on the depth chart like many guys do in their 2nd or 3rd year (how long it typiclally takes most WRs to start achieving their upside). Baldwin might have earned a spot in the slot regardless, but I don't see who's going to push Tate out of the #2 role if not #1 if Rice still can't stay healthy.

 

Other than Rice, Tate is more talented than every single one of the other recievers the Seahawks have on roster... As for a fantasy option this year, I tend to agree he may not be worth starting outside of this great matchup this week agianst St. Louis, but as a dynasty prospect, I think we're all just now getting to see what he's really capable of... Go back and watch film of the guy at ND. He's a playmaker...

 

 

For all your unwarranted praise of Tate, you seem oblivious to the likelihood he is also on the razor's edge of possibly ending his career as a Seahawk, if not a career in the NFL., if he doesn't make some plays in the next few weeks.

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For all your unwarranted praise of Tate, you seem oblivious to the likelihood he is also on the razor's edge of possibly ending his career as a Seahawk, if not a career in the NFL., if he doesn't make some plays in the next few weeks.

:wacko:

 

I don't follow the Seahawks, but I watched a ton of ND football. That's where I'm drawing my "unwarranted" evaluation from, and you're starting to see some of those same skills emerge... You make it sound like he's done nothing now that he's gotten his chance, but in his first start he scored his 2nd TD in 2 games, played vastly more snaps than anyone else, and caught all 4 of his 4 team-leading targets.

 

Yes, just like anyone else he's gotta perform when he's gottne his chance, but after reading how Carrol keeps raving about him after the game, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to draw that he's just going to do nothing, and risk getting released by the team.... I don't know where you're getting that from. Past production has little to do with present results, when we're talking about a young developmental player who needed polishing...

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I have heard (and occasionally bought into) the hype about Golden Tate for about three years now, and thus I am skeptical. I have to admit when I saw this thread's subtitle ("ready to break out?") I instinctively started working up a Clearasil joke.

 

This says more about my jaded perspective than Tate's abilities and opportunities, but he is one of those players who has burned me too many times in the past to trust.

 

For 3 years? He's only in his 2nd NFL year, so were you scouting him in college? :wacko:

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For all your unwarranted praise of Tate, you seem oblivious to the likelihood he is also on the razor's edge of possibly ending his career as a Seahawk, if not a career in the NFL., if he doesn't make some plays in the next few weeks.

Whatever happened to the 3-year rule for WR's?

 

Look, Ramses Barden is finally making a contribution in his 3rd year. The Giants waited on him. Now, I don't know if it's too little too late for Barden, but I think for Tate to have his best game at this point in his career is not a bad place for him to be. Of course, we would like to see for this output to continue, but remember, his QB is Tavaris Jackson, who only threw the ball 16 times last week. At least, Tate caught all of 4 of his targets, which means he's starting to make the most of his opportunities.

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This is an example of the hype associated with Golden Tate: "He'll[Golden Tate] be in position to take over a huge role for us." (Pete Carroll, June 2011)

 

In addition, I have been hearing for years (yes, about three, as the hype started while he was still in college) that Tate is destined for greatness. Consider this as an additional example of Tate-hoopla. Granted, I am also surrounded by a lot of Notre Dame alum and fans in my life, so perhaps I have been hearing Tate's name getting pumped (pimped?) at a higher level of frequency than the average Jacques, but as a FF owner I have several times picked him up after reading some knowledgeable insider tout Golden Tate as a breakout WR.

 

Perhaps "burned" was too strong of a term, as I never stuck Tate in a lineup. "Wasted my time" is perhaps more accurate.

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