next year first round ppr

[budweiser]

mine goes something like this:

 

1. Rodgers

2. McCoy

3. Foster

4. Brady

5. Forte

6. A.P.

7. Welker

8. Ray Rice

9. Brees

10. Charles

11. Calvin Johnson

12. Fred Jackson or McFadden

 

obviously it depends on scoring formats but this is what ours would look like because it's QB friendly

Edited December 9, 2011 by budweiser

[jrobertz]

1. Foster

2. Peterson

3. Rodgers

4.Mccoy

5. Rice

6. Forte

7. Calvin Johnson

8. Brady

9.Welker

10. Fred Jackson

11.Brees

12. Cam Newton/Jamaal Charles/Jimmy Graham.... The first list ever that I would consider a tight end, but he might be the best ppr recepient of the group even over calvin johnson in my opinion because he doesnt have an injury history like Johnson and welker has taken a beating the last few years.

[The 13ers]

I'm wondering if the 'Vick' factor will drop Rodgers a few spots. Or perhaps being on Madden. I really hope he isn't on Madden.

[BadDawg]

A BIG change in my main League where a Qb (Rodgers) wasn't taken until the 7th pick and the next Qb taken (Brady) wasn't until the 2nd rd.

 

No doubt in my mind that Rodgers will be #1, with a couple of other Qbs ... Newton & Brady ... not far behind. ( Unless Rodgers would just happen to get another concussion at the end of this season/pre-season which would be his 3rd following the couple last yr making him a bigger health risk )

 

 

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[bostonsoxandy]

Lots of good QBs for next year make me think the elites like Rodgers will go closer to the 2nd round than the 1st. No question Rodgers is a first rounder, but I see him more as a late-first than #1 overall.

Here are my tiers for next season...

#1 Tier---Elites

A Rodgers

D Brees

T Brady

C Newton

#2 Tier --- High-end Starters

M Vick

E Manning

M Stafford

T Romo

P Rivers

#3 Tier --- Quality #1 QB

M Ryan

T Tebow

B Roethlisberger

P Rivers

J Cutler

P Manning (assuming he can play)

A Luck (assuming he starts somewhere)

M Schaub

#4 Tier --- Could-be #1's, have questions

M Sanchez

R Fitzpatrick

J Flacco

R Griffin III (assuming he starts somewhere)

J Freeman

M Cassel

C Palmer

S Bradford

A Smith

#5 Tier --- Fantasy back-ups but have upside

M Hasselbeck

C Ponder

L Jones (assuming he starts somewhere)

C Henne

C McCoy

 

So that's 4 elites, 5 high-end starters, 7 quality #1's, 9 possible fantasy #1's, 5 solid fantasy #2's with some upside

So I don't see the point in wasting a 1st round pick on a QB, when, for a 12 team league, there are 4 true studs at QB, 5 near studs, and 7 good starters. That's 16 QB's I wouldn't mind having as my #1 QB....So you could probably wait quite a while and still get a good starter.

 

I would target waiting on QB while securing some good RBs/WRs next year and let someone else take Rodgers...I mean he has to come back down to Earth at some point right?

[Henry Muto]

mine goes something like this:

 

1. Rodgers

2. McCoy

3. Foster

4. Brady

5. Forte

6. A.P.

7. Welker

8. Ray Rice

9. Brees

10. Charles

11. Calvin Johnson

12. Fred Jackson or McFadden

 

obviously it depends on scoring formats but this is what ours would look like because it's QB friendly

Unless you are getting something like 18 points per QB TD pass why in the world would you take a QB at #1 overall ?

 

99 times out of 100 that is not the way to go.

[electricrelish]

Unless you are getting something like 18 points per QB TD pass why in the world would you take a QB at #1 overall ?

 

99 times out of 100 that is not the way to go.

 

Aaron Rodgers is currently the #1fantasy player with 365.10 points in most leagues. The next closest player that plays a different position is LeSean McCoy at #5 with 276.10 points. That's a 89 point difference. Most likely, Rodgers is not going to be there by the time the guy with the #1 pick gets to pick again, so I can see why someone would do that if they think Rodgers will repeat as the #1 fantasy player in 2012.

 

I've never done anything like that, but da times are a changin, and Rodgers has been one of the ultimate 2011difference makers.

Edited December 10, 2011 by electricrelish

[BadDawg]

Aaron Rodgers is currently the #1fantasy player with 365.10 points in most leagues. The next closest player that plays a different position is LeSean McCoy at #5 with 276.10 points. That's a 89 point difference. Most likely, Rodgers is not going to be there by the time the guy with the #1 pick gets to pick again, so I can see why someone would do that if they think Rodgers will repeat as the #1 fantasy player in 2012.

 

I've never done anything like that, but da times are a changin, and Rodgers has been one of the ultimate 2011difference makers.

I concur ..... for most typical scoring leagues, you'd find Rodgers with a very comfortable points advantage.

 

Edited December 10, 2011 by BadDawg

[piratesownninjas]

but da times are a changin, and Rodgers has been one of the ultimate 2011difference makers.

This

[piratesownninjas]

mine goes something like this:

 

1. Rodgers

2. McCoy

3. Foster

4. Brady

5. Forte

6. A.P.

7. Welker

8. Ray Rice

9. Brees

10. Charles

11. Calvin Johnson

12. Fred Jackson or McFadden

 

obviously it depends on scoring formats but this is what ours would look like because it's QB friendly

I wouldn't have Jamaal Charles or Fred Jackson on the list. I think Fred Jackson caught magic in a bottle this year, and Charles was a speed guy who's going to be returning from a busted knee. I think MJD deserves to be on this list for sure.

[bushwacked]

I wouldn't have Jamaal Charles or Fred Jackson on the list. I think Fred Jackson caught magic in a bottle this year, and Charles was a speed guy who's going to be returning from a busted knee. I think MJD deserves to be on this list for sure.

 

Agree with Fred Jackson but Jamaal Charles is going to have a big window for recovery time as he tore his ACL in Week 2. I would have to do some research on typical recovery time of that injury before I draft him in the first round though.

[piratesownninjas]

Agree with Fred Jackson but Jamaal Charles is going to have a big window for recovery time as he tore his ACL in Week 2. I would have to do some research on typical recovery time of that injury before I draft him in the first round though.

Just too much risk for me. I think it's somewhere around 1 1/2 years to be close, with no certainty of getting back to where he was.

[bostonsoxandy]

Just too much risk for me. I think it's somewhere around 1 1/2 years to be close, with no certainty of getting back to where he was.

 

Varies from player to player. No reason to expect it to take 18 months. Wes Welker tore his ACL AND MCL in Jan 2010 and practiced in OTA's in June and didn't miss one game. His first game back he went right back to where he was (I couldn't decipher a difference between pre-injury and post-injury); he scored 2 TD's on 5 catches for around 80 yards first game back...so don't just assume Charles will be iffy for next season. It depends on each individual player and their own recovery process

[bostonsoxandy]

da times are a changin, and Rodgers Vick has been one of the ultimate 2011 2010 difference makers.

 

Funny how quickly people forget less than a year ago.

[Henry Muto]

Ok go ahead take Rodgers #1 overall enjoy that Peyton Hillis type RB at pick 24.

 

What would your rather have this year the Foster/Stafford combo from the #1 slot or would you rather have the Rodgers/Ryan Grant or a similar RB taken in round 9.

 

Give me Foster/Stafford 100 times out of 100

[Henry Muto]

Funny how quickly people forget less than a year ago.

Exactly !!!

 

How many people took Vick in the 1st round this year ? Forget #1 overall but just the 1st round...now how did your season go ?

 

I will take a stud RB over a stud QB 100 times out of 100 #1 overall.

 

It was hard for me to take Rodgers in the 2nd round of a draft I did this year and it worked out great I went 10-3 because of him but also because I took McCoy in round 1. Had I taken Rodgers in round 1 I probably would have been stuck with a guy like S-Jackson in round 2 and I certainly would not have won 10 games with him.

 

If you pass on Rodgers #1 you can probably still get Brees or Brady or Newton in round 3...if you pass on Foster/McCoy type then good luck finding a RB in round 3 ...just look at the RB's that went at end of round 2 or in round 3 this year and your stomach will turn.

 

Peyton Hillis, J-Best, F-Jones, L-Blount, N-Moreno, T-Hightower, S-Greene, M-Ingram to name a few.

 

Screw that I want a stud RB and a stud QB not just a stud QB and a RB that will miss 75% of the time.

 

I seen guys like Brees and Brady fall to round 5 this year and it wasn't like they sucked last year.

 

Heck in 1 of my drafts Rodgers fell to round 5

[bushwacked]

Aaron Rodgers is currently the #1fantasy player with 365.10 points in most leagues. The next closest player that plays a different position is LeSean McCoy at #5 with 276.10 points. That's a 89 point difference.

 

Although I'm becoming more convinced to spend an early draft pick on a stud QB than in previous years, positional scarcity and comparing points position to position also has to be taken into account.

 

In FFPC we drafted Cam Newton late and that was basically a wasted sleeper pick because we were starting Rodgers every week except his bye. Unique circumstances, but we would have better off taking and RB or WR in the 3rd instead of Rodgers, especially with losing Jamaal Charles in week 2.

Edited December 10, 2011 by bushwacked

[bostonsoxandy]

Exactly !!!

 

How many people took Vick in the 1st round this year ? Forget #1 overall but just the 1st round...now how did your season go ?

 

I will take a stud RB over a stud QB 100 times out of 100 #1 overall.

 

It was hard for me to take Rodgers in the 2nd round of a draft I did this year and it worked out great I went 10-3 because of him but also because I took McCoy in round 1. Had I taken Rodgers in round 1 I probably would have been stuck with a guy like S-Jackson in round 2 and I certainly would not have won 10 games with him.

 

If you pass on Rodgers #1 you can probably still get Brees or Brady or Newton in round 3...if you pass on Foster/McCoy type then good luck finding a RB in round 3 ...just look at the RB's that went at end of round 2 or in round 3 this year and your stomach will turn.

 

Peyton Hillis, J-Best, F-Jones, L-Blount, N-Moreno, T-Hightower, S-Greene, M-Ingram to name a few.

 

Screw that I want a stud RB and a stud QB not just a stud QB and a RB that will miss 75% of the time.

 

I seen guys like Brees and Brady fall to round 5 this year and it wasn't like they sucked last year.

 

Heck in 1 of my drafts Rodgers fell to round 5

 

Yup. I'm expecting for next year Rodgers goes first half of the first round (pass), Brady/Brees/Newton all go late 1st-late 2nd (if the price is right I'd buy into one of those), then Vick, Eli, Stafford, Romo, and Rivers go from 4-7 (I'd target this range as ideal to snag my QB), and even past that Ryan, Tebow, Big Ben, Rivers, Cutler, P Manning, and A Luck are all still available and should go from 7-14 or so....

[electricrelish]

Funny how quickly people forget less than a year ago.

In 2010, Aaron Rodgers finished as the #2 fantasy player with 343.70 points. After 13 weeks in 2011, he's the #1 fantasy player with 363.10 points.

 

Drew Brees finished 2010 with 318.30 fantasy points after 17 weeks and as the #7 fantasy player. In 2011, he's already racked up 315.95 points after 13 weeks and is the #3 fantasy player. QB's are scoring a lot more this season.

 

Michael Vick's game is to run a lot, so IMHO, he was a known risk going into the season, so I couldn't see spending a high pick on him.

 

I've always been of the opinion to not draft a QB early. This year I typically waited until the 8th or 9th round on Stafford cause I thought I could get high QB production w/out having to spend a high pick. Still, if you got burned on Jamaal Charles, then I can see with wanting to go with what you might think is a sure thing in Rodgers. Of course, it's hard for a player to repeat that kind of performance the next season, but Rodgers was the #2 last year, and it looks like he might finish as #1 this year.

 

With more passing yards than ever in the NFL, I may need to rework my drafting strategy. At the same time, the whole league is passing more, so you probably still can wait on an "elite" QB like Eli Manning.

Edited December 11, 2011 by electricrelish

[bostonsoxandy]

In 2010, he finished as the #2 fantasy player with 343.70 points. After 13 weeks in 2011, he's the #1 fantasy player with 363.10 points.

 

Drew Brees finished 2010 with 318.30 fantasy points after 17 weeks and as the #7 fantasy player. In 2011, he's already racked up 315.95 points after 13 weeks and is the #3 fantasy player. QB's are scoring a lot more this season.

 

Michael Vick's game is to run a lot, so IMHO, he was a known risk going into the season, so I couldn't see spending a high pick on him.

 

I've always been of the opinion to not draft a QB early. This year I typically waited until the 8th or 9th round on Stafford cause I thought I could get high QB production w/out having to spend a high pick. Still, if you got burned on Jamaal Charles, then I can see with wanting to go with what you might think is a sure thing in Rodgers. Of course, it's hard for a player to repeat that kind of performance the next season, but #2 last year, and it looks like he might finish as #1 this year.

 

With more passing yards than ever in the NFL, I may need to rework my drafting strategy. At the same time, the whole league is passing more, so you probably still can wait on an "elite" QB like Eli Manning.

 

I don't buy the using Jamaal Charles as justification for drafting a QB first round. Tom Brady who was a unanimous first round pick in '08 when he went down first week. That also debunks the idea that because Vick is a scrambler QB his fantasy production will vary much more than a traditional QB. Brady's a traditional QB. He went down first week.

 

If I had the choice between Rodgers or Foster next year, I take Foster and never look back

[bostonsoxandy]

At the same time, the whole league is passing more, so you probably still can wait on an "elite" QB like Eli Manning.

 

If this is a shot at me ranking Eli in the second tier of my rankings I posted, maybe you should read a lil closer. I called him "high-end" not elite....And if you don't think Eli from a fantasy perspective is close to elite this season, come on man!

 

He's the 6th best QB this year in most scoring systems and has had to deal with Nicks and Manningham suffering from nagging injuries throughout the year, and incorporating unknown Victor Cruz into the offense virtually seamlessly. I hate Eli in real-life, but fantasy wise I would be more than comfortable with him as my number 1 next season.

[electricrelish]

If this is a shot at me ranking Eli in the second tier of my rankings I posted, maybe you should read a lil closer. I called him "high-end" not elite....And if you don't think Eli from a fantasy perspective is close to elite this season, come on man!

 

He's the 6th best QB this year in most scoring systems and has had to deal with Nicks and Manningham suffering from nagging injuries throughout the year, and incorporating unknown Victor Cruz into the offense virtually seamlessly. I hate Eli in real-life, but fantasy wise I would be more than comfortable with him as my number 1 next season.

 

I was calling Eli "elite" because of that interview he did in the pre-season. I was not referencing you. I think Eli was tremendous value for where he went this year. When he struggled early on, someone actually dropped him in one of my leagues, so I was thrilled to grab him. I would also be comfortable with him as my #1 next year. I was this year as well. He's winning games for me.

Edited December 11, 2011 by electricrelish

[Scooby's Hubby]

I won;t take a QB in the first, therefore Jimmy Graham is borderline and should get some consideration, although he would be a good 2nd round pick. I see Graham as great timing in his career for fantasy, should be the beginning of his career years.

[General Itals]

I have far fewer qualms about Rodgers since he does it with his arm and not so much his legs, like Vick did a year ago. Imo, the comparable player to Vick is Newton, who will have a hard time replicating his points on the ground. I think he will get overdrafted.

 

Graham isn't even the #1 TE in my leagues. Gronk is.

[TitleTown]

I'll agree with the sentiments of others that despite Rodgers being the highest scorer, his position has plenty of value to go around. Most leagues only start 1 QB but 2-3 backs and 2-3 receivers so it's just not comparable. Also, if Finley does not return that would allow defenses to key on the receivers instead. I would not take him until the sure-thing backs are gone.

 

1. Foster

2. Peterson

3. Rice

4. McCoy

5. Jones-Drew

6. Forte

7. Chris Johnson

8. Calvin Johnson

9. Rodgers

10. Andre Johnson

11. Brees

12. Brady

 

In the second round a run on top receivers would follow, but it would be hard to pass on Murray, McFadden or Jamaal Charles. I think Graham and Gronkowski have to garner consideration then too.