BeeR Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Would you SHUT UP? Manning and now McCoy. Cmon kids reel in the dads: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824e..._headline_stack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 I agree on Manning - his opinion is beyond irrelevant. I disagree on McCoy - not only did the Browns unnecessarily risk Colt's health, but their stupidity might have cost them the game when he threw that interception. Calling out a moron when your kid can't really protect himself seems like a legit dad activity to me. As a general rule, if you get knocked the f' out after someone hits you in the head, you've got a concussion. Don't get cute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted December 10, 2011 Author Share Posted December 10, 2011 He couldn't protect himself? What they put a gun to his head and told him to play? Sorry but Colt is a big boy. At least keep the rants private, don't go to the fn press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 I agree on Manning - his opinion is beyond irrelevant. I disagree on McCoy - not only did the Browns unnecessarily risk Colt's health, but their stupidity might have cost them the game when he threw that interception. Calling out a moron when your kid can't really protect himself seems like a legit dad activity to me. As a general rule, if you get knocked the f' out after someone hits you in the head, you've got a concussion. Don't get cute. Agree 100%. If that was my kid I'd have been pissed too. And would have talked to anyone who will listen. The only way this kind of stuff will stop will be people consistently pointing it out and talking about it. You just cannot put a kid in harms way when his brain is scrambled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 I agree on Manning - his opinion is beyond irrelevant. I disagree on McCoy - not only did the Browns unnecessarily risk Colt's health, but their stupidity might have cost them the game when he threw that interception. Calling out a moron when your kid can't really protect himself seems like a legit dad activity to me. As a general rule, if you get knocked the f' out after someone hits you in the head, you've got a concussion. Don't get cute. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Agent Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 He couldn't protect himself? What they put a gun to his head and told him to play? I'm guessing you've never had a concussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Sorry but Colt is a big boy. At least keep the rants private, don't go to the fn press. Yea, it's kind of a puzzy move to narc them out like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 He couldn't protect himself? What they put a gun to his head and told him to play? Sorry but Colt is a big boy. At least keep the rants private, don't go to the fn press. He says he doesn't even remember it. I think the argument here is that he couldn't protect himself because he HAD A FREAKIN CONCUSSION. Clearly he wasn't thinking correctly, if at all. The union should file a grievance with the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 OK I'll buy that. I would have thought if he's coherent enough to run an offense he would realize he isn't right in the head, but hear what you're saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWBOUND33 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I'm guessing you've never had a concussion. At least not a severe one. I've had 7 in my life. The first serious one was in H.S. playing a pick up game on a weekend and got a knee straight to the head. Within 2 minutes I lost vision in one eye and tunnel vision started in the other. If lasted about 20 minures......I think.????? I kept playing because I was a stupid 15 y.o. Now you know what's wrong with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) Has anybody seen an actual report that McCoy had a concussion? The local Cleveland news was implying that, but it sounded like the normal media sensationalism. Shurmur says he did not have a concussion after the hit McCoy's father reports that Colt called him after the game and told him he didn't remember anything that happened after the hit. Is it possible he was ok, tested fine at the game, and then later exhibited systems. (Stories also claim a teammate gave him a ride home after returning to the Browns facility, and that he was sent home from team activities on Friday. I'm trying to make sense of this, and understand whether the team (their doctor's, trainers, etc) screwed up, Colt was ok or at least thought he was ok (or told them he was ok). I also thought that every NFL team had an independent doctor (not hired & paid by them) to exam players for these issues. Something was part of one of the recent changes by the NFL in how they deal with concussions. One last thought, he hurt his hand on that play. Is it possible the trainers/doctors were focused on that, took care of it (they showed them working on it on the sideline) and then forgot to check out the possible concussion? From an article in the Akron paper yesterday --- "Shurmur said quarterback Colt McCoy began to exhibit symptoms of a concussion after the game. After the Browns flew back to Cleveland early this morning, a team spokesman said McCoy did not have a concussion." The NFL will be talking to the Browns to make sure they handled it properly. Shurmur basically says that they did, and that he would not have sent him back in otherwise. In fact it would be out of his hands, because trainers would say "he can't go back in." Two other players (TE Watson & FB Marecic) suffered concussions in the game and were held out. To me it seems like Colt's dad is overreacting and saying that the Browns mishandled. If that is the case the NFL will find out and the Browns will be punished. I understand a parents concern, but he's obviously biased and basing his view on what Colt told him "after the game" when he was exhibiting concussion systems. ABJ Shurmur press conference info Edited December 11, 2011 by stevegrab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Steve, I like what you bring here in terms of looking at things almost Big John-like logically. I really don't think McCoy should have been back in the game. I'm sure you watched the game and I'm sure you saw the same sideline highlights, newscast after newscast. He didn't look right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Steve, I like what you bring here in terms of looking at things almost Big John-like logically. I really don't think McCoy should have been back in the game. I'm sure you watched the game and I'm sure you saw the same sideline highlights, newscast after newscast. He didn't look right. Thanks for the compliment. I agree he didn't look right. I'm just questioning the attempt by some to crucify Shurmur and the staff. I guess we'll wait to see what the NFL finds out. I'd like to think that Shurmur and the trainers took the proper steps, and aren't just part of the ongoing laughing stock that the Browns have become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaquita Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I don't blame his dad for being pissed. Shurmer isn't a medical professional who's qualified to decide whether or not McCoy had a concussion. Besides that there's no way that we really think that playing in the NFL is healthy, right? Any kind of head injury whether it seems serious to us or not is cause for concern. But I guess if we really considered the dangers of the game it would take some of the fun out of it for us fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Has anybody seen an actual report that McCoy had a concussion? Yes: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7336211/...osed-concussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Yes: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7336211/...osed-concussion Harrison's an ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 shaquita, No, Shurmur is not a doctor, neither is any other HC in the league. They all have medical staffs that examine the players and make these decisions. According to the story that stelhant post (thanks I hadn't seen that), it says "Shurmur said McCoy did not say he felt sick and passed all the necessary tests to be allowed to return to the game." As I said, we'll see what the NFL says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 They all have medical staffs that examine the players and make these decisions. While this may be true, name me one NFL team that employs a full time neurologist that is on the sidelines to examine possible concussions. That. Is the problem IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 While this may be true, name me one NFL team that employs a full time neurologist that is on the sidelines to examine possible concussions. That. Is the problem IMO. The problem is they need medical staff employed by the NFL and not the teams. This would solve the concussion issue. Of course, they would need 75 man rosters to get through the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 While this may be true, name me one NFL team that employs a full time neurologist that is on the sidelines to examine possible concussions. That. Is the problem IMO. I don't know if any team does that, but I thought new guidelines from the NFL recently (2009) addressed these thngs. CD is right, NFL employed doctors would solve it, but you'd have 10-20 or more players removed from every game after some wicked hit. From the link below Based on the 2009 statement, a player who suffers a concussion should not return to play or practice on the same day if any of the following symptoms or signs is identified based on the initial medical evaluation of the player: - Loss of consciousness; - Confusion as evidenced by disorientation to person, time or place; inability to respond appropriately to questions; or inability to remember assignments or plays; - Amnesia as evidenced by a gap in memory for events occurring just prior to the injury; inability to learn and retain new information; or a gap in memory for events that occurred after the injury; - Abnormal neurological examination, such as abnormal pupillary response, persistent dizziness or vertigo, or abnormal balance on sideline testing. - New and persistent headache, particularly if accompanied by photosensitivity, nausea, vomiting or dizziness; - Any other persistent signs or symptoms of concussion NFL stricter concussion guidelines I find it hard to believe that the medical staff didn't conduct the proper tests, but I suppose it is possible. The NFL will have plenty of film to view, players, staff and bystanders to question regarding this. Reading another article (below), McCoy was out of the game for about 4 minutes actual time, and Shurmur says they did the proper tests. McCoy's father says "There were a lot of easy symptoms that should've told them he had a concussion. He was nauseated, and he didn't know who he was. From what I could see, they didn't test him for a concussion on the sidelines. They looked at his (left) hand." That is based on what he saw on TV and what Colt told him AFTER the game. more info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I'm guessing you've never had a concussion. I just figured he was still suffering from the effects of one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Harrison's an ass. Indeed. That was a cheap shot he laid on Colt. It's a shame too, because I thought Colt didn't look half bad out there running for his life and creating plays out of nothing. If his team didn't suck so hard, he'd be a decent NFL QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) I'm guessing you've never had a concussion. THIS. I was the tackler on a helmet to helmet hit to take a WR out of bounds in a game my senior year. Neither of us intended to collide helmets, but it's football and things happen. He was out the rest of the game with headaches and concussion symptoms, as was I. In addition I threw up from it(This was the worst). Overall, It's surprisingly fatiguing. Having only had one in my whole life and seeing how bad it sucked, I don't understand the guys who keep playing when they have several in a season. I was so damn disoriented from just one. I am all about big hits, tough players, and a bad ass sport like football. Nevertheless, concussions are one of the few injuries you should never even try to play with. it's not like you might re-aggravate your ankle sprain or possibly break a bone. It's your head for christ sakes.\ EDIT: just read the article. "I certainly didn't think he'd be out only a play. It would've taken my high school trainer longer than that to determine if he was OK after a hit like that. ” -- Colt McCoy's father, Brad, regarding the Browns' staff It's very bothersome to read things like this. Edited December 11, 2011 by Infinity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.K.Trey Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Harrison's an ass. + 1,000,000,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I remember this thread while reading this article. pretty silly stuff. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/...s-early-doucet/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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