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They should throw the book at Harrison. That was a text-book example of going helmet to helmet. And, yes, prior issues absolutely have to play a part. There's plenty of very effective and hard hitting LBs out there who managed to not hit dudes in the head all the time, so apparently it can be done.

 

They were talking about this on the radio yesterday like it's impossible to police without going the other way and penalizing legal hits. Just back off on the flags during games in this regard and penalize through suspensions without pay based on a points system, like driving offenses. That way, your actions will hurt your team competitively (which seems like a much better way to get the point across than fining). Meanwhile, you have the luxury of looking at the tape before you penalize someone. That way, a perfectly legal hit doesn't result in a penalty that could alter the result of a game.

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AFAIK the rules dictate that helmet to helmet hits are not allowed on the QB. McCoy may have "tucked the ball and ran" but he was still the QB or passer, particularly until he passes the line of scrimmage (at which time he technically is not a passer any more since he cannot legally pass the ball). So Harrison either doesn't know the rules or chose to ignore them. And now he's acting like a tool saying basically "I didn't do anything wrong."

 

 

As far as the hit, it was certainly not legal. (I think soon we'll see all helmet to helmet hits being illegal, to further protect the players and make it more consistent, instead of QBs getting special treatment.) It derserved the penalty, and a fine, possibly a short (1-2 game suspension). But still far from guys like Suh and Haynesworth stomping on a player after the player is over. Somebody on a Sunday pre game show was saying the fine may be 6 digits, wow.

 

I was talking to a Steeler fan I work with on Friday, and he agreed the hit was nasty, and probably deserves punishment. He also thinks some of the guys like Harrison should just keep their mouth shut, instead of talking and making the whole team look bad.

 

Detlef you talked about this idea of a points system and fines before, I think it is a great idea. Hopefully the NFL can do it, but they'll probably go overboard instead.

 

PS Regarding McCoy and the concussion, I'm starting to think maybe the Browns did screw up. While they previously claimed to have done all the tests, yesterday I caught a piece of an interview with Shurmur where they asked the question again "Did your staff give him the proper tests and did he pass them?" He seemed to evade the question and was basically saying "they told me he could play" Instead of "Yes we did everything we were supposed to." Sounds like somebody in a court case that doesn't want to say to much because it could be used against them. McCoy did not participate in any activities again yesterday.

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Because its a super, super fast game...think about it...these guys got to react instantly almost.

 

Im sure none of the big time hitters are preplanning to plow you with their helmet, but it happens. But this is part of what these guys signed up for, back in the day the more brutal you were the better...and now its getting to the point where people point fingers the second someones helmet touches another.

 

I understand its not something you "want" people to do, and I could understand if every single hit Harrison did was an absolute plow to someones face. Im sure many of the guys do not thoughtfully try and explode someones face with their helmet but its just the nature of the beast.

 

But so many of these players no matter how busted up they get, they want back out there...im sure McCoy can laugh and say "he lit me up!"..but he loves the sport, he wants to get back in there.

 

I dont get condemning players for making hits, its just unfortunately sometimes in the heat of battle, in the heat of such a SUPER fast game...you just dont make the right position for a hit.

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He was perfectly justified for hitting McCoy.

 

But the helmet to helmet crap is not OK. Harrison has been around long enough to know that. Lead with your shoulder, and NOT with your head. Hell, McCoy actually stood UP straighter to throw the ball, so the helmet to helmet could have even been worse if he tucked down into the hit.

 

Nothing wrong with a good, hard hit, but you have to keep the head hunting out of it now . . .

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Because its a super, super fast game...think about it...these guys got to react instantly almost.

 

Im sure none of the big time hitters are preplanning to plow you with their helmet, but it happens.

It seems to happen with guys like Harrison more than others. And there are plenty of guys who are quite effective at the LB position who manage to keep it clean. So that's a BS excuse.

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But it happens, thats my point...how can you expect every single hit in a game to always lineup perfectly with leading your shoulders?

 

I mean heres my question, honestly...you guys expect 100% of every hit to be a perfectly lead shoulder hit at all times?

 

I understand Harrison is guilty of some helmet hits but I dont think the man is doing it on purpose with clear intent, I think its heat of the moment...but I dont feel when guys like him do this they are setting out to purposely utilize their helmet, its just how they grew up hitting.

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But it happens, thats my point...how can you expect every single hit in a game to always lineup perfectly with leading your shoulders?

 

I mean heres my question, honestly...you guys expect 100% of every hit to be a perfectly lead shoulder hit at all times?

 

I understand Harrison is guilty of some helmet hits but I dont think the man is doing it on purpose with clear intent, I think its heat of the moment...but I dont feel when guys like him do this they are setting out to purposely utilize their helmet, its just how they grew up hitting.

No, we're calling BS when the few guys who keep doing the wrong thing keep complaining about how hard it is to avoid it. I get it, you're a Steelers fan. But you are obviously not looking at this objectively. How is it that so many other hard hitting players aren't constantly getting caught doing this?

 

And, I don't care if he's actually trying to hit a guy in the head. But he's obviously not trying hard enough not to. And that's the problem. If you run a red light and take out some old lady in the process, we're not going to assume you were trying to kill an old lady. But you were reckless none-the-less and because of your reckless actions, an old lady is dead. And that's why it's illegal to run a red light. Because you might kill someone.

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I guess in a sport that went decades without such pansy rules, im not used to how offended people get over strong hits that sometimes include helmet to helmet.

 

I must be a thug as well.

Step 1: Call everyone a Rosie O'Donnell (damned language filter) because they don't need guys to get brain damage playing a game for their entertainment

Step 2: Make a bunch of lame arguments that are quickly and entirely shot down.

Step 3: Repeat step 1

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These guys know the game they are playing, they see that it can cause issues down the road...do you think that for a second any one of them would stop this game and or want the hard hits to stop?

 

Not at all. They all know what theyve signed up, just like if you sign up to be a UFC fighter...youre going to get your face beat in, but that obviously isnt something that bothers UFC fighters, its what they do.

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#1 - Harrison's biggest problem is that he never keeps his damn mouth shut. He is a great player, but, he has said a lot of stupid things to the press over the last several years.

 

#2 - Harrison needs to continue to learn to play differently, because the rules state that he must. It has been a long time since he had a helmet to helmet, prior to this one, so, maybe he is making an effort, but, he needs to continue to do so.

 

#3 - Harrison is a repeat offender who deserves a fine, and I'd be o.k. with a suspension, if that is what they choose to do. I fear that he will then lash out with several stupid comments to make the matter worse.

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These guys know the game they are playing, they see that it can cause issues down the road...do you think that for a second any one of them would stop this game and or want the hard hits to stop?

 

Not at all. They all know what theyve signed up, just like if you sign up to be a UFC fighter...youre going to get your face beat in, but that obviously isnt something that bothers UFC fighters, its what they do.

 

Yes, they know what they signed up for. To play a game within the rules established by the league. I definitely see both sides of the argument. It is hard to stop yourself sometimes, because you are in mid-air and body positions change. I also like hard hitting football. However, there have been too many players whose careers and lives have been cut short due to brain injuries. I think that the health of the players is more important. So, all of that said, the rules are that you cannot hit a defenseless receiver or a passing QB with a helmet to helmet hit. Whether he is intentionally doing it or not, Harrison continues to break the rules that have been established, so, he deserves whatever punishment he receives. My only hope is that he accepts the penalty and keeps his mouth shut.

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I think this is my main point, this rule is brand new...its newly established. Think about all the years some guys have played the way they played, when there were no set helmet to helmet rules, I feel to adapt to that would be quite difficult.

 

And like you said Menudo, its been awhile for Harrison...and the couple he did have in the past i feel werent exactly his fault. Like Cribbs, if i remember correctly he was going down and Cribbs sort of leaned forward into it, stuff like that i feel was purely accidental. But overall its been quiet on the front of Harrison but since he has a target on his back, now every time it does happen hes a criminal. He could go 15 games without a helmet to helmet, but the instant he does on the 16th game....hes automatically a thug to people.

 

But i also agree, the man and steelers in general NEED to keep their mouths shut. Way to many big mouths lately on the Steelers, and I hate that.

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