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Hakeem Nicks, was an utter disaster these last two weeks. 3 TD drops, and I don't care he was some stupid Revis Island phrase. He cost me a title matchup.

 

The Giants I believe lead the league in drops and your truly tops the list. Instead an undrafted WR Victor Cruz blows him out of the water. I have to question Hakeem's work ethic.

 

Can you tell I am bitter?

 

Nicks officially made my never draft again list.

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Hakeem Nicks, was an utter disaster these last two weeks. 3 TD drops, and I don't care he was some stupid Revis Island phrase. He cost me a title matchup.

 

The Giants I believe lead the league in drops and your truly tops the list. Instead an undrafted WR Victor Cruz blows him out of the water. I have to question Hakeem's work ethic.

 

Can you tell I am bitter?

 

Nicks officially made my never draft again list.

 

Actually, Greg Little leads the league in drops with 14. Nicks has 8 while Cruz has 11. As far as the league leader in terms of teams go, that title belongs to the Giants AND the Packers with 29.

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Are you REALLY going to pass him up if Nicks is available in the third, fourth, or fifth round next year? Really?

 

Nicks won't last until the 4th or 5th rounds of too many quaility leagues. That said he probably won't be drafted as early as he was this year especially with the emergence of Cruz.

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Nicks won't last until the 4th or 5th rounds of too many quaility leagues. That said he probably won't be drafted as early as he was this year especially with the emergence of Cruz.

Yeah, chalk him up as one of those that I won't get because he will be drafted too high for my taste.

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:wacko:

 

8-163

5-73

1-20

 

By the stats, which is what FF is all about, Nicks had one great game, one mediocre game, and one bad game. I don't call that an utter disaster; especially considering he was covered by Revis on the one catch week-you should've seen that one coming.

 

The dude finished as a top-10 WR in my PPR league. I'll draft him next year right around the 13th WR spot.

 

And don't question the man's work ethic. He had nagging injuries throughout the season and played through them. Most games I watched of the Giants I saw Nicks playing injured and grimacing through it. You can call him injury-prone, sure, but his work ethic is not in question.

 

And he does not lead the league in dropped passes either. I don't know where you get your stats but the Washington Post doesn't list him in the top-20 for dropped passes. He has five drops this season which is the same as Calvin Johnson or Jimmy Graham or Mike Wallace. I know taz stated this already but I felt like it completes my point that your post here is absolute garbage. Please never post something this low-quality again.

 

Thank You.

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To put this into perspective as to weather or not Nicks belongs on ANY 10ft pole list, here are the obvious numbers:

 

Nicks is 6th in Targets with 121. Megatron is 4th with 129 while R.White leads the league with 152

 

Nicks is 10th in Receptions with 70 for for a 57.9% rate. Fitz and R.White both are behind Nicks in %

 

Nicks has 6 TD, tied for 19th while the emerging Cruz has accounted for 8.

 

Nicks is 7th in yardage with 1,107yds while posting a surprising 14th with 327 YAC

 

Nicks is the 10th overall valued WR with an accumulative grade of 9.6 (Megatron blows away the competition with a 21.1 :rollseyes:)

 

I already gave you the drop stats. Nicks will be a top 10 WR next year regardless of the emergence of Cruz. He is on a team with a QB who is throwing the ball more than at any other time in his career and will likely trend upwards with a mediocre running game. Teams will adjust to Cruz just like they do everybody else. Cruz has speed but is not overwhelming in frame @ 6'1/200lbs and neither is Nicks who might have eaten a few more plates of Biscuits and Gravy. To have him on your 10ft pole list because of anything else but just plain ole "It's FF" is over-reacting IMO. I don't see any team in the NFC East blowing away the division next year and despite this years mediocre FF playoff showing, he should be counted on deep into FF playoffs in 2012.

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The only reason that anyone should not and probably will not consider Nicks within the top 10 to 15 WR next year is his injury history but again the guy has shown resilience and has played through multipal injuries at a time. I'm thinking most people were just loving Nicks weeks 13 and 14 when he put up great numbers. Revis should have at least tempered expectations yes? no ?

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:wacko:

 

8-163

5-73

1-20

 

By the stats, which is what FF is all about, Nicks had one great game, one mediocre game, and one bad game. I don't call that an utter disaster; especially considering he was covered by Revis on the one catch week-you should've seen that one coming.

 

The dude finished as a top-10 WR in my PPR league. I'll draft him next year right around the 13th WR spot.

 

And don't question the man's work ethic. He had nagging injuries throughout the season and played through them. Most games I watched of the Giants I saw Nicks playing injured and grimacing through it. You can call him injury-prone, sure, but his work ethic is not in question.

 

And he does not lead the league in dropped passes either. I don't know where you get your stats but the Washington Post doesn't list him in the top-20 for dropped passes. He has five drops this season which is the same as Calvin Johnson or Jimmy Graham or Mike Wallace. I know taz stated this already but I felt like it completes my point that your post here is absolute garbage. Please never post something this low-quality again.

 

Thank You.

 

I think you being a little dramatic.

I read any article saying the Giants led the league in drops. Watching Nicks play this, I am certain he had more than 11 drops. He had more than 5 drops LOL!!

 

He had 3 or 4 drops alone in his 5-73 game.

 

TWO bad games with 3 TD drops and one was for 54 yards right in his hands. The rest of the season he had a handful of poor games.

 

I am sorry but Revis is not God, if Nicks was elite he would not let a guy who did not defend him the whole game hold him to 1 catch!!! Come on. Dropping TD's and being paid Millions is sad. I am not certain about his work ethic, ijnury prone guys are likely not conditioning properly. Chris Jenkins, the former DT for Carolina said most players in the NFL don't workout properly nor hydrate. Nicks always has a nagging injury? No kidding. The Jenkins article is really really good, I recommend any football fan to read it.

 

I don't play in lame PPR leagues, so I could care less about top 10 whatever. TD's should be the bench mark for fantasy. All this 1pt 10 yards, 1pt per catch, half point this half point that. The NFL is played to score TD's, that is how fantasy should be played.

 

Again fantasy football is about TOUCHDOWNS!!!!!

 

Simply put, I will let someone else draft him next year. He would never last into the 4th round in the league I play in.

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I read any article saying the Giants led the league in drops.

 

I don't care what article, by what author that wrote it, tells you that the Giants lead the league in drops. I just dove further into the stats and the Packers lead the league in drops with 40. Who knows how it shakes out by next week. The Lions are tied with them as well. The Giants are 3rd in the league with 38. And that is with the starting QB's Rodgers/Stafford and Eli. Thats not even counting the sub QB's that have had a few drop passes here and there. If you wanna question my stat provider, be my guest, but I can tell you ahead of time it is one of, if not THE, most reputable stat provider on the web. A web site that most, if not all, teams use for there statistics in certain situations.

 

Are you really relying on the Washington Post for your FF stat material? :tup: Just ask'n. :wacko:

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I really looked into this cause you're mention of an article boasting that NY led the league in drops intrigued me. I'm not trying to bust your balls here...I don't do that. What I will do is give you some factual statistical information. I think you are kinda pist cause Nicks fizzled during your playoff week. Totally understandable. I have players I have on my 10ft pole list as well but they are for personal reasons, not statistical ones.

 

Let's look at some numbers:

 

The top 10 QB's that are the subject of the most drops , as of week 16 and NOT including tonight's game are as follows:

 

1. Mathew Stafford - 40

2. Aaron Rodgers - 40

3. Eli Manning - 38

4. Matt Ryan - 38

5. Colt McCoy - 36

6. Josh Freeman - 33

7. Sam Bradford- 31

3 tied at #8

Brees

Flacco

A.Smith

 

 

You can add 1 more drop to the Packers with Matt Flynn - 1 Drop

 

 

Eli is tied for 4th in the league (Rivers) with 556 pass attempts. Out of those 38 drops (WR's/TE's/RB's combined), Nicks has accounted for 8. What those newspaper beat writers fail to comprehend are throw aways, tipped passes, passes thrown behind the receiver and a number of other variables. What I am giving you are plain and simple, in the bread basket/hands, drops. Nicks is not even the worst of the bunch in NY. That crown belongs on Cruz' head. I'm just saying....don't let a down FF playoff stat line and a misconstrued article sway your opinion on what will surely be a top 10 WR next year.

 

 

 

ETA: I just found out the source of your anger. I took the privilege of going into the game by game stats from weeks 14-16.

 

Week 14:

Targerts: 10

Receptions: 7

Drops: 1

Yards: 154

TD: 0

 

 

Week 15:

Targers: 10

Receptions: 5

Drops: 2

Yards: 73

TD: 0

 

Week 16:

Targets: 6

Receptions: 1

Drops: 2

Yards: 20

TD: 0

 

Yikes!!!! Not what I would call a good FF playoff stretch by any means. But that's what happens in FF. I certainly am not gonna hold against him next year and if I can get him as my WR #2 in the 3rd, I'll take it.

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I started Nicks over Harin lost my chance at winning back to back dynasty championships in the leagues 1st 2 years.

 

Something I got to live with for the rest of my life

 

Dude, it's fantasy football. A lineup decision mistake shouldn't be a "rest of your life" type of mistake. Taking this stuff too seriously is a recipe for unhappiness.

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I started Nicks over Harin lost my chance at winning back to back dynasty championships in the leagues 1st 2 years.

 

Something I got to live with for the rest of my life

 

We have a Henry Muto sighting!!!!!

 

Where the hell have you been all season long?????? :wacko:

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I think you being a little dramatic.

I read any article saying the Giants led the league in drops. Watching Nicks play this, I am certain he had more than 11 drops. He had more than 5 drops LOL!!

 

He had 3 or 4 drops alone in his 5-73 game.

 

TWO bad games with 3 TD drops and one was for 54 yards right in his hands. The rest of the season he had a handful of poor games.

 

I am sorry but Revis is not God, if Nicks was elite he would not let a guy who did not defend him the whole game hold him to 1 catch!!! Come on. Dropping TD's and being paid Millions is sad. I am not certain about his work ethic, ijnury prone guys are likely not conditioning properly. Chris Jenkins, the former DT for Carolina said most players in the NFL don't workout properly nor hydrate. Nicks always has a nagging injury? No kidding. The Jenkins article is really really good, I recommend any football fan to read it.

 

I don't play in lame PPR leagues, so I could care less about top 10 whatever. TD's should be the bench mark for fantasy. All this 1pt 10 yards, 1pt per catch, half point this half point that. The NFL is played to score TD's, that is how fantasy should be played.

 

Again fantasy football is about TOUCHDOWNS!!!!!

 

Simply put, I will let someone else draft him next year. He would never last into the 4th round in the league I play in.

Nicks only had 6 TD's on the season going into the playoffs so it's your own damn fault if you expect much. If you're in a TD only league I'm not sure how you can count three weeks without a TD a meltdown.

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I think you being a little dramatic.

I read any article saying the Giants led the league in drops. Watching Nicks play this, I am certain he had more than 11 drops. He had more than 5 drops LOL!!

 

He had 3 or 4 drops alone in his 5-73 game.

 

TWO bad games with 3 TD drops and one was for 54 yards right in his hands. The rest of the season he had a handful of poor games.

 

I am sorry but Revis is not God, if Nicks was elite he would not let a guy who did not defend him the whole game hold him to 1 catch!!! Come on. Dropping TD's and being paid Millions is sad. I am not certain about his work ethic, ijnury prone guys are likely not conditioning properly. Chris Jenkins, the former DT for Carolina said most players in the NFL don't workout properly nor hydrate. Nicks always has a nagging injury? No kidding. The Jenkins article is really really good, I recommend any football fan to read it.

 

I don't play in lame PPR leagues, so I could care less about top 10 whatever. TD's should be the bench mark for fantasy. All this 1pt 10 yards, 1pt per catch, half point this half point that. The NFL is played to score TD's, that is how fantasy should be played.

 

Again fantasy football is about TOUCHDOWNS!!!!!

 

Simply put, I will let someone else draft him next year. He would never last into the 4th round in the league I play in.

 

Sigh. Your argument is so flawed it pains to me read. You can't be "certain" that Nicks had more than 11 drops. Show me ANYTHING saying so and I won't question that again. You are so fixated on drops as well. I don't care if he had 3 or 4 drops in week 15 (which is probably not true, I'm too lazy to look it up though) he still got me 7 in a standard league or 12 in ppr. I look at those #'s and I say "meh, he did ok".

 

Again, he was injured for most of this year. He was a game-time decision for a lot of games this year. That explains the "poor games" you are talking about. And as far as Revis goes, he has been pretty good this season:

Miles Austin: 5-90-1 (Revis did switch between Dez and Miles in this game, so the numbers may be inflated)

Mike Thomas: 3-29

Denarius Moore: 4-34

Anquan Boldin: 1-28

Wes Welker: 5-124

Brandon Marshall: 6-109

Vincent Jackson: 1-15

Stevie Johnson: 3-84

Wes Welker: 6-46

Eric Decker: 0-0

Stevie Johnson: 8-75-1

Santana Moss: 5-42

Dwayne Bowe: 6-69

DeSean Jackson: 2-28

Hakeem Nicks: 1-20

 

So overall he has allowed 48 catches, 793 yards, and 2 touchdowns. (Your analysis of this must be he IS a god, as he has allowed a mere 2 TD's and you did say it is all about the TD's)

 

That's an average of 3 catches, 53 yards, and 0.13 TD's per game for the team's #1 WR when facing the Jets. And he gets no safety help, no double coverage on the guys he faces pretty much ever.

 

And what the hell would a fat defensive tackle know about proper conditioning. He is paid to be huge and clog the middle. You really shouldn't be blaming Nicks for your fantasy loss, you should blame yourself for starting him when he goes against Revis. ESPECIALLY considering you are all about the TD's and Revis very rarely allows TD's against him.

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Sigh. Your argument is so flawed it pains to me read. You can't be "certain" that Nicks had more than 11 drops. Show me ANYTHING saying so and I won't question that again. You are so fixated on drops as well. I don't care if he had 3 or 4 drops in week 15 (which is probably not true, I'm too lazy to look it up though) he still got me 7 in a standard league or 12 in ppr. I look at those #'s and I say "meh, he did ok".

 

Again, he was injured for most of this year. He was a game-time decision for a lot of games this year. That explains the "poor games" you are talking about. And as far as Revis goes, he has been pretty good this season:

Miles Austin: 5-90-1 (Revis did switch between Dez and Miles in this game, so the numbers may be inflated)

Mike Thomas: 3-29

Denarius Moore: 4-34

Anquan Boldin: 1-28

Wes Welker: 5-124

Brandon Marshall: 6-109

Vincent Jackson: 1-15

Stevie Johnson: 3-84

Wes Welker: 6-46

Eric Decker: 0-0

Stevie Johnson: 8-75-1

Santana Moss: 5-42

Dwayne Bowe: 6-69

DeSean Jackson: 2-28

Hakeem Nicks: 1-20

 

So overall he has allowed 48 catches, 793 yards, and 2 touchdowns. (Your analysis of this must be he IS a god, as he has allowed a mere 2 TD's and you did say it is all about the TD's)

 

That's an average of 3 catches, 53 yards, and 0.13 TD's per game for the team's #1 WR when facing the Jets. And he gets no safety help, no double coverage on the guys he faces pretty much ever.

 

And what the hell would a fat defensive tackle know about proper conditioning. He is paid to be huge and clog the middle. You really shouldn't be blaming Nicks for your fantasy loss, you should blame yourself for starting him when he goes against Revis. ESPECIALLY considering you are all about the TD's and Revis very rarely allows TD's against him.

 

I was wrong about Nicks being an elite receiver. I made the wrong decision starting him. I had to watch Jordy and Juilo win it for me had only started both of them instead, I had Nicks/Julio. As I pointed out in my original post, I am bitter. Went from #1 seed to no money in 2 weeks. Nick's dropped to 2td's which I would have won both easy grabs. Then totally shut down against the Jets. I watched NIcks all year, he had a numerous drops. Not certain how drops are ruled on but the football and his hands are not the closest of friends.

 

I guess Revis is God. Though Nicks dropped a 2yd TD against the Jets. Not certain if Revis covered him on that play.

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I was wrong about Nicks being an elite receiver. I made the wrong decision starting him. I had to watch Jordy and Juilo win it for me had only started both of them instead, I had Nicks/Julio. As I pointed out in my original post, I am bitter. Went from #1 seed to no money in 2 weeks. Nick's dropped to 2td's which I would have won both easy grabs. Then totally shut down against the Jets. I watched NIcks all year, he had a numerous drops. Not certain how drops are ruled on but the football and his hands are not the closest of friends.

 

I guess Revis is God. Though Nicks dropped a 2yd TD against the Jets. Not certain if Revis covered him on that play.

Too bad for me Julio came up a little short lost 178-172 I needed him to stay inbound on what would have been his 2nd TD catch.

 

Sitting Harvin for Nicks and Hernandez (who blew up the week before on my bench for 31) and worst of all I have played C-Campbell the last 7 weeks straight read some article by razball that said "Campbelll has a poor match up this week" so I went into the waiver wire and piked up Mark Anderson least to say Mark Anderson is now dead to me 0 Fn points while Campbell had 10 and what would have been a win.

 

And no I am not bitter at all...

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Dude, it's fantasy football. A lineup decision mistake shouldn't be a "rest of your life" type of mistake. Taking this stuff too seriously is a recipe for unhappiness.

You ever seen Phil Helmuth playing poker and one time some dude made a big move on Phil with some garbage cards in a big tournament and showed Phil and he blew up on the guy and this guy said to Phil "dude calm down its only Poker" and Phil replied "to you it's just poker but for me this is my life"

 

Well I feel the same way maybe it is just fantasy football to the rest of you but to me this is my life. I spend just about every waking hour for the last 6 months trying to do all I can to win especially my dynasty leagues as those mean the most to me as you have built these teams for years.

 

Anyway such is life it is something I got to live with now every day it will gnaw at me sitting Campbell sitting Harvin.

 

Also the future looks bleak for this league AP went down (6 more pts before you got hurt would been nice), Charles went down, Fred Jackson went down all will be question marks to start next year. Lynch will not repeat. My RB's are a mess.

 

End of rant

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You ever seen Phil Helmuth playing poker and one time some dude made a big move on Phil with some garbage cards in a big tournament and showed Phil and he blew up on the guy and this guy said to Phil "dude calm down its only Poker" and Phil replied "to you it's just poker but for me this is my life"

 

Well I feel the same way maybe it is just fantasy football to the rest of you but to me this is my life. I spend just about every waking hour for the last 6 months trying to do all I can to win especially my dynasty leagues as those mean the most to me as you have built these teams for years.

 

Anyway such is life it is something I got to live with now every day it will gnaw at me sitting Campbell sitting Harvin.

 

Also the future looks bleak for this league AP went down (6 more pts before you got hurt would been nice), Charles went down, Fred Jackson went down all will be question marks to start next year. Lynch will not repeat. My RB's are a mess.

 

End of rant

Understandable because Phil makes his living off of playing poker...do you make your living playing FF?

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Too bad for me Julio came up a little short lost 178-172 I needed him to stay inbound on what would have been his 2nd TD catch.

 

Sitting Harvin for Nicks and Hernandez (who blew up the week before on my bench for 31) and worst of all I have played C-Campbell the last 7 weeks straight read some article by razball that said "Campbelll has a poor match up this week" so I went into the waiver wire and piked up Mark Anderson least to say Mark Anderson is now dead to me 0 Fn points while Campbell had 10 and what would have been a win.

 

And no I am not bitter at all...

 

Fantasy football certainly can be a love hate relationship. It can eat at you like no other.

 

Reading Hakeem has had an hamstring injury just adds salt to the wound. He claims he can't dig off of the leg or push off sounds like excuses to me.

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Too bad for me Julio came up a little short lost 178-172 I needed him to stay inbound on what would have been his 2nd TD catch.

 

Sitting Harvin for Nicks and Hernandez (who blew up the week before on my bench for 31) and worst of all I have played C-Campbell the last 7 weeks straight read some article by razball that said "Campbelll has a poor match up this week" so I went into the waiver wire and piked up Mark Anderson least to say Mark Anderson is now dead to me 0 Fn points while Campbell had 10 and what would have been a win.

 

And no I am not bitter at all...

Maybe you should read the huddle:

 

Defensive Line: Calais Campbell currently ranks 4th in DL scoring, with 145.50 fantasy points, and a PPG average of 10.393. Over the past 6 weeks, Campbell has hit double digits just one time, a 10 point effort in week 12, yet his PPG average over that span of time is still 9.00. While Campbell hasn't been putting up double digit games of late, he has been consistent, scoring 8 points once, 9 points four times, and of course that one 10 point performance. It's quite unusual to find a DL perform so consistently, and if you are Campbell owner, I am sure you like knowing his downside isn't all that down. This week, Campbell will be hard pressed to hit double digits, because he will be facing a Bengals team that ranks 30th in FPA to DLs. Most DL would only garner a 2-star rating, but Campbell, I can't see how he isn't a 3-star rated play, no matter the matchup.

 

Defensive Line: Andre Carter was a very nice IDP option for many an owner this year, however, Carter suffered a torn quadriceps in week 15 and was put on injured reserve by the Patriots. With Carter missing from the lineup an already not so good Patriots defense gets that much worse. Stepping in for Carter will be Mark Anderson. Anderson can get after the QB, but he isn't going to be nearly as effective in the run game as Carter was, and from an IDP perspective he is going to be more of a Dwight Freeney, all or nothing play than he is a Calais Campbell steady Eddie type. This week, against a Dolphins team that for the season ranks 15th in FPA to DLs Anderson probably doesn't look like a very enticing swing for the fences type option. However, look at the last three weeks and you see that no team has given up more points to DLs than the Dolphins have. That should make Anderson at least a 4-star play, but honestly he is just such a risky option that I had to rate him a 2-star play (sleeper), but if you need to swing for the fence this week, Anderson very well could be your guy.

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