dougsullivan Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I was always one to wait till the 5-7 round to get a QB as I would rather draft postion players and pick up a second to third tier QB (ie Matt Ryan or this year Matt Stafford) Although I made the playsoffs thanks to other good players, the other three teams to make the playoffs had Brady, Brees and Rogers. My other league I had Newton and the other three playoff teams also has Brady, Rogers and Brees. Is this a coincidence or a trend? BTW I first played Brees (5tds in round one) then played Rogers (5tds) in round two . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpackersfan Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Ive never been one to take a qb early. I actually won our league with Eli Manning as my only qb. Hes hardly an elite ff qb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 You don't need one, but it's tougher to win without one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpackersfan Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Im assuming that the elite qbs are: Brees, Rodgers, Cam and Brady. Leaving the other 8 teams (If 12 team league) to fight over Romo, Rivers, Stafford, Eli, Peyton and Matt Ryan. As long as you get that 2nd tier group of qbs, you'll be fine. Just dont end up outside of that window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delusions of grandeur Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) As has been mentioned many times here in the past and backed up with data from guys like Big Country, it's not that taking a QB early is the wrong move in itself, but 1) it needs to truly be a top one and not even just top 5 to justify them in the first/early-second. The pack jumbles up after the few top guys, with not a ton of scoring difference to justify it. 2) There are opportunity costs at other positions by taking a position early, most notably at RB, where it drops off quickly from the top ones. The game is still all about picking the right players, but in the rare times I've gone QB early, I've found myself having to get lucky or struggling at RB in particular (and even make some picks I regretted, just because it was running thin). IMO, it really has to be the right QB at the right value, along with an understanding that you'll either be weaker or have to be much more savvy to get by with lesser players at the other more scarce positions. A top QB can win it all, but a guy who's just "above-average", and you're gonna need some help to stay ahead of the competition. Edited December 27, 2011 by delusions of granduer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) If you add IDP (8-11 starters) you make all positions less important in a sense and it is more about the team than just one players carrying a team EDIT: fwiw, with Josh Freeman as my starting QB I ended up as the league high scorer...injuries/suspension and clunkers did me in during the playoffs..well that and Gils team going off. Edited December 27, 2011 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanCurtis Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Im assuming that the elite qbs are: Brees, Rodgers, Cam and Brady. Leaving the other 8 teams (If 12 team league) to fight over Romo, Rivers, Stafford, Eli, Peyton and Matt Ryan. As long as you get that 2nd tier group of qbs, you'll be fine. Just dont end up outside of that window. I agree with you. I took Ryan in the end of the 5th round and won my league. Not one of the teams that took Brees, Rogers or Brady even made the playoffs. The team that drafted Cam Newton had also taken Stafford earlier in the draft but he lost to me in the championship game. Also, many folks have forgotten that Vick was considered an elite QB, if not the #1 QB, going into this season. In my league's 14 year history, I can confidently say that a team picking a QB in the first round has never won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I have to ask. Why is it that people seem to say 4 QB's are/were elite, Rodgers/Brees/Brady/Cam, and always seem to leave Stafford out? In my 6 point per passing TD league Stafford actually has 10 more points than Cam. And in my 4 points per passing TD league Cam has 18 more points than Staff. So in both leagues they were pretty much within 1 point per game of each other. I'll also add that in both of my leagues Brady was in the same area code as Staff and Cam (Rodgers and Brees were by themselves), but after Staff/Cam was a large dropoff to the next QB. So from where I sit I see 5 elite QB's and view them the same into next season. Cam goes into season 2 and Staff goes into full season 2 (and has 11 dome games out of 16 next season). Just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeachBum Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 In our HEFFA, 18 team Survivor League, the final two teams are QBd by: Alex Smith versus Andy Dalton! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cementups Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I would usually leave a QB till about the 5th or 6th round but last year I had won my league and was getting the 12th and 13th pick overall. (Rodgers was taken as the 3rd overall pick and the team that drafted him ended up being the worst team in the league. He had traded him away before week 7 cause he still had Cam Newton.) After the rest of the first round being top RBs and Rivers, I opted to take Brees as my firs pick and Turner right after that. In the end, a lot of my team was plug and play for the whole season but I ended up pulling it out in the end and winning the whole thing. I broke my usual mold of drafting players but it ended up working out for me in the end. My normal draft routine was alway RB, RB, WR, TE in that order and it has almost always worked in at least getting me to the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 In leagues with 6pts/TD pass scoring, I think going QB for one of the top 4 or 5 is my now preferred strategy. I was always a "wait on the QB" FF player, but not so much anymore. I mean I got S Jackson at 1.10 or something like that. Not good. Bradford was awful and it killed SJ. RB's get injured far more often than top QB's seem to, at least recently. How many people were thrilled with CJ this year? Now no one knew Cam would be an elite FF QB... and those who took Rivers this year in the second had to be disappointed. In redrafts next year, I expect to see Brady, Peyton, Cam, Brees and Rodgers go in the first 6 picks. Take an RB that early, and the risk is higher. Forte got hurt. Can Foster repeat? I'd rather bank on the stud QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub! Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Our champ this year drafted Vick #1 overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injendsm Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 You don't need one, but it's tougher to win without one. What he said. If you don't get one than you need to make sure you are solid at the other positions with hopefully one elite RB and/or WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) In my two leagues, out of the 8 total playoff teams, 2 had Rodgers, 2 had Brees, 2 had Brady, 2 had Newton, and one had Stafford. No other QB's made the fantasy playoffs. I've drafted a QB in the first two rounds for the last five years and have missed the playoffs once, even with some very mediocre drafting. The exception being the league where I drafted Peyton in this year. Edited December 28, 2011 by Seahawks21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 In a QB heavy, 6 pt/passing TD league the two SB teams had Rodgers and Brees. The top 4 teams in points had Brees, Rodgers, Stafford, and Brady. Last year's SB winner had Brees at QB. This year's SB winner had Rodgers. Needless to say I will be looking at QB with my first pick. And looking at keepers and draft slot Rodgers, Brees, Brady, and Cam will all be gone for sure. So maybe I get Stafford. Which is why I am still puzzled why we act as if there are 4 elitle QB's. I see 5 clearly with Staff being ahead of Cam in a 6 pt/passing TD league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Quarter Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Good question. In my 12 team, 6 point passing td league, I won it with Ryan and went against Brees in the final. The 3rd place team had Brady and number 4 team had Rivers. I agree that if you get a top tier QB then you are scrambling to get difference makers at the other positions. And you had better get one of the 2nd tier QB's or you will be consistently out scored badly by the oppositions QB. I had Brady the year he went out in the first game and I had to play matchups all year with 3rd tier QB's. It was a real challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 In my 4 redrafts: 1 - Rodgers QB won championship; Brees won 2nd place 1 - Rodgers QB won championship; Brees won 2nd place 3 - Brees QB won championship; Rodgers won 2nd place 4 - Matt Ryan QB won championship; Stafford won 2nd place Ignoring other positions, that can't be a coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Let me add, in my 4 pt per passing TD league, Brady won the SB and beat the Rodgers team. Again, seems pretty clear that if your league is even semi QB heavy, having a top level QB gives you a HUGE edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I think you need to take into consideration that "elite" this year is different than "elite" literally any other year. If you just go back and look at the year-end fantasy points of the top 5 QBs, or the specific production for any one QB (Rodgers, Brees, or Brady since Cam and Stafford are newer to the scene), you'll note that the top QBs this year have outscored the #1 QB of the past 3 years and in some cases (Rodgers, Brees, and maybe Cam and Brady) will do so by >100 points!! Those extra points over the regular season can make a huge difference and cover up alot of deficiencies at other positions. If you think this year is an anomaly, then I would defer to previous thinking on this point that elite QBs don't equate to a guaranteed championship. If you think going forward that this QB point explosion will continue, then you sure as heck better re-evaluate a QB early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) In my local, I drafted Stafford late and won. I beat Cam Newton and Brady to win. Rodgers lost in the first round. In the BoTH leagues I won this year, I won with Stafford and Cam Newton. I never take a QB high, (and I never slice - Judge Smails) Edited December 28, 2011 by Scooby's Hubby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 1) Brees is always a value and seems to drop later than he should. Teams who drafted Brees this year likely were able to do so at the end of the 2nd or early 3rd, which meant they could have had combined him with two other top 25 players. 2) In my 2 QB league, I won with Brady and Ryan but the 2nd highest scoring team for the season platooned Matt Schaub, Alex Smith, and Carson Palmer as his QBs. I should also add that my team was the highest scoring team primarily because I loaded up on RBs, taking 4 in the first 6 rounds at the expense of WRs. We could start 2 flex and scoring favored RBs over WRs. In the finals, At the two RBs and two Flex, I outscored my opponent (who started Rodgers and Stafford but was the 7th highest scoring team during the season) by 55 pts and won by 30. 3) In my BOTH league, the winning team (who was the #2 scoring team during the season, started Mark Sanchez as their QB. 4) In my auction league, Brady beat Brees in the finals but both guys went "cheaper" than expected because of when they were nominated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 In my two leagues, out of the 8 total playoff teams, 2 had Rodgers, 2 had Brees, 2 had Brady, 2 had Newton, and one had Stafford. No other QB's made the fantasy playoffs. I've drafted a QB in the first two rounds for the last five years and have missed the playoffs once, even with some very mediocre drafting. The exception being the league where I drafted Peyton in this year. FYI That adds up to 9 QBs for 8 playoff teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsosi Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) I really think it comes down to how big your league is. In an 8 team league, you can definitely wait because there are enough upper tier QBs to go around that the position is not really a huge difference maker. As you move to a 12 or 14 team league, then I think you need one of the upper tier QBs. Edited December 28, 2011 by nelsosi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenzal rhomb Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 the final four starters in my league were Rodgers Brady Newton Ryan The team with Brady won it all - the team with Newton came in second - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 the final four starters in my league were Rodgers Brady Newton Ryan The team with Brady won it all - the team with Newton came in second - In other words, half the final four and half the final 2 waited on their QB for at least a few rounds (if not way more than that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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