Cowboyz1 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) Rogers fine and Brees no brainers. I got no problem with a 15-1 Superbowl winner with sick numbers. I don't have a problem with Brees who's led the Saints to Superbowl and broke the unbreakable record set by Marino. I wouldnt even put up much of a fuss if young Stafford was voted in be wise of his stellar play and overcoming nicks to do it. But what really chaps my arsenic is Eli over Romo. NO WAY Eli gets my nod over Slip. I mean what criteria do you use go put Eli in over Romo? This season has been Romo's best. He is responsible for two loses, jets and lions, since the lions game he's been rock solid. Almost 4000 yards 30 Ltd's and has his team one win away from the playoffs. He's not thrown a single bone head pick in the second half of the season, not one. If anything he's done everything you need qb to do to win games. He can't play defense. The d more specifically the secondary is responcible for.at least 4 loses by my count. He hasn't thrown a single red zone pick. Not to mention he played the first half of the season with broke rib and came back to win in those games hurt. He missed Austin on the final drive to ice the game against NY. Austin said he lost it in the lights, fine. But even after the giants made our secondary look like school children to come back he still put his team back in position to win or tie with seconds left. I mean what more can the Guy do? He's not throwing picks, he's not stalling in the red zone and he's toughing though injuries. Now lets look at Eli. He's thrown more picks the Romo. He's thrown more redzone picks the the law allows. He's team has the same record. He lost to the skins twice throwing picks. He has almost twice the picks as Romo with 16 and only 26 touchdowns to romo's 30. He's been healthy all year to boot. He couldn't even see Romo's passer rating looking up with Fred sandfords drawer of glasses. Yards passing you may say fine but I would argue Romo would have far more yards had he been as healthy as Eli. How about tds we have 4 yes 4 rushing tds. Romo counting for one of them. Which means in the red zone d know we aren't going to run it in yet Romo has gotten em in there passing without picks. He's also done it with a carousel of WR and without Austin for half the year. Made Holley look like a star. Eli is the definition of inconsistent this year while Romo has been solid week in and week out as many ff teams can atest. Fact is there is absolutely no measurable that puts Eli over Romo this year. If you took a none football person and just sat them down played every game back to back of both players then put the stats in front of them and asked them to choose the better player I don't know how anybody could pick Eli. I may be a Homer blue with stars for irises but I know darn well Slips out played Eli this year in every measurable. I'd like to see pencil boy play thrthrough a broke rib and punchered lung to will his team to victory. We'll see this Sunday night if I'm all wet but no way Eli deserves the nod over Romo. No way not this year! Edited December 28, 2011 by Cowboyz1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) You are wearing Star Spangled Glasses. No way am I diving into the Stat Hat to prove you wrong cause I'm a bit bombed at the moment. Tell me how the colors are? I remember them faintly. Edited December 28, 2011 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Stafford has 36 TDs, 14 INTs and 4600 yards and also didn't get into the Pro Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Arod, I really hate that nickname, considering there's already a well known athlete in another sport that goes by that. As far as your homer view that Romo is better than Eli, I'm not buying it even for this season. I don't have the time to review the stats. Maybe bias against the Cowboys is a enough to swing it Eli's way. Or maybe not enough of the vast Cowboy nation doesn't think he's worthy. Either way, Brees or Rodgers are a good shot at being in the SB, and if they don't show I believe another QB will be named, wait that will be Stafford (deservedly as you say) so Romo is still left out (or snubbed). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboyz1 Posted December 28, 2011 Author Share Posted December 28, 2011 Arod, I really hate that nickname, considering there's already a well known athlete in another sport that goes by that. As far as your homer view that Romo is better than Eli, I'm not buying it even for this season. I don't have the time to review the stats. Maybe bias against the Cowboys is a enough to swing it Eli's way. Or maybe not enough of the vast Cowboy nation doesn't think he's worthy. Either way, Brees or Rodgers are a good shot at being in the SB, and if they don't show I believe another QB will be named, wait that will be Stafford (deservedly as you say) so Romo is still left out (or snubbed). I know I shouldn't have done that I hate it to. I agree I even put Stafford ahead just cause its the lions qb. But Eli no way. That's a penalty maybe even a fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Amazing what a ring will do for ya, ain't it? He's in the Pro Bowl because the Giants roster is over-achieving at 8-7 and the Cowboys roster is under-achieving at 8-7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 IMO the Pro Bowl amounts to precisely dick. Don't let it wrinkle your panties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodside Warriors Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Stafford has 36 TDs, 14 INTs and 4600 yards and also didn't get into the Pro Bowl. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 If Romo was a "snub" then what were Stafford and Cruz? Mega snubs? At day's end...does it really matter who makes it? Half of the guys will ask out anyway, so I'm sure Staff/Cruz/Romo/other will all make it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 How did Eli slip past slip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Honesty, Romo cost us two wins with picks late in the game. My vote would be for Stafford. But as we all know, this is merely a popularity contest and the New York market has two NFL teams and Manning will get many votes during a winning season. What really matters is the All-Pro selection, which Romo will not make either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 IMO the Pro Bowl amounts to precisely dick. Don't let it wrinkle your panties. Then there's this. However, as long as we're talking about it... I can get with the notion that Eli doesn't deserve being there, but not so Romo can fit in. Stafford or Newton would go in above Romo and, frankly, I think you could make a better case for Eli than Romo. The Giants have been a disaster much of the season and Eli, was basically the only guy holding it together. When he failed, it was because he was having to chuck the ball all over the yard to make up for the fact that the D couldn't stop anyone and they couldn't run for crap. Romo, who admittedly also had his heroic moments, stubbed his toe in games where there was simply no excuse. If I were ranking the NFC QBs, I would as such: Brees Rodgers Stafford Newton Eli Romo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 and the New York market has two NFL teams and Manning will get many votes during a winning season. What on earth does this mean? And if it's a popularity contest, wouldn't you think the pretty boy QB from "America's Team" would have an advantage over the aw shucks QB from New York? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scooby's Hubby Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) What on earth does this mean? And if it's a popularity contest, wouldn't you think the pretty boy QB from "America's Team" would have an advantage over the aw shucks QB from New York? I think there are certain teams that cycle in and out of being America's Team ... No sour grapes here, as posted. this is a popularity contest. you have 8 year olds voting (some 8 year olds actually take this seriously, so I am not opposed to this kind of contest) and voters can vote as many times as they want. it is like baseball's all star game. again, I am not opposed to this kind of voting, but it should be taken for what it is, a popularity contest, for the most part where population of fans rules. Teams are most popular when they are winning and Dallas is not winning. The Giants were supposed to be awful this year, yet thanks largely to Eli they may win the division.; Their fan base is more alive than the Cowboys this year, some thanks to Romo's two 4th quarter meltdowns. Nowhere in any post do I mention that Romo was snubbed; actually Stafford would have gotten my vote, if I cared enough to go to the website and vote. Just remember that the Pro-Bowl is a popularity contest and ALL-Pro selection is a more acurate evaluation. Please see humorous comment below ... Edited December 28, 2011 by Scooby's Hubby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 What on earth does this mean? And if it's a popularity contest, wouldn't you think the pretty boy QB from "America's Team" would have an advantage over the aw shucks QB from New York? You know. aw shucks is really happening now, too. I think it has to do with the chilli bowl haircut coming back in style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I think there are certain teams that cycle in and out of being America's Team ... No sour grapes here, as posted. this is a popularity contest. you have 8 year olds voting (some 8 year olds actually take this seriously, so I am not opposed to this kind of contest) and voters can vote as many times as they want. it is like baseball's all star game. again, I am not opposed to this kind of voting, but it should be taken for what it is, a popularity contest, for the most part where population of fans rules. Teams are most popular when they are winning and Dallas is not winning. The Giants were supposed to be awful this year, yet thanks largely to Eli they may win the division.; Their fan base is more alive than the Cowboys this year, some thanks to Romo's two 4th quarter meltdowns. Nowhere in any post do I mention that Romo was snubbed; actually Stafford would have gotten my vote, if I cared enough to go to the website and vote. Just remember that the Pro-Bowl is a popularity contest and ALL-Pro selection is a more acurate evaluation. Please see humorous comment below ... I wasn't questioning your assessment of Romo being snubbed or not, I was questioning why New York having 2 football teams would be an advantage when it came to a popularity contest. If you think Jets fans are going to vote for Eli because he's a NY QB, you're kookoo for Coco Puffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 The current formula for NFL Pro Bowl voting is 1/3 - fan vote 1/3 - player vote 1/3 - coach vote So its hardly the popularity contests that MLB and NBA are. Sure a large market, or a team with more fans is going to get a boost, but only to an extent. Truly good players will get in even if they are not on popular teams with large fan bases. Case in point, Joe Thomas (Tackle-Browns). He's been in all 5 years since his rookie season. If this were simply a fan popularity contest he probably wouldn't make it. (While the Browns fans are rabid and have a decent national fanbase, not enough to battle top teams like PIT/DAL/NE/GB.) Simply put, Romo just isn't better than Eli, and the players and coaches know that. Many fans talk about Rivers being an Brooklyn Decker, but he has been a Pro Bowl selection as well. So you don't have to be popular, but you do have to be very good (that season). PS I agree it doesn't amount to dick, much like winning the Heisman Trophy means to a QBs chance at success in the NFL (no I'm not talking about Tebow). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) I wasn't questioning your assessment of Romo being snubbed or not, I was questioning why New York having 2 football teams would be an advantage when it came to a popularity contest. If you think Jets fans are going to vote for Eli because he's a NY QB, you're kookoo for Coco Puffs. Example: Being a Cowboys fan from TX, I vote for a Cowboy at every position. I also vote for every Texan in the AFC positions, just b/c they are the only other Texas team. When the Spurs are in the NBA Final and not the Mavs, I go for the Spurs, same reason. I think this happens more than you might think and coupled with the population of NYC (big enough for two teams in one city) and with the fact that voters can vote as much as they want it would seem to me that it would be an up year for Eli's votes and Romo's votes would be in a down year. Winning+Biggest Market (big enough for 2 teams in one city)+unlimited voting=up year for Eli Not to mention there are alot of NYG fans outside of NYC. Edited December 28, 2011 by Scooby's Hubby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 The current formula for NFL Pro Bowl voting is1/3 - fan vote 1/3 - player vote 1/3 - coach vote So its hardly the popularity contests that MLB and NBA are. Sure a large market, or a team with more fans is going to get a boost, but only to an extent. Truly good players will get in even if they are not on popular teams with large fan bases. Case in point, Joe Thomas (Tackle-Browns). He's been in all 5 years since his rookie season. If this were simply a fan popularity contest he probably wouldn't make it. (While the Browns fans are rabid and have a decent national fanbase, not enough to battle top teams like PIT/DAL/NE/GB.) Simply put, Romo just isn't better than Eli, and the players and coaches know that. Many fans talk about Rivers being an Brooklyn Decker, but he has been a Pro Bowl selection as well. So you don't have to be popular, but you do have to be very good (that season). PS I agree it doesn't amount to dick, much like winning the Heisman Trophy means to a QBs chance at success in the NFL (no I'm not talking about Tebow). Yes, BUT, don;t you think that players vote on their own teammates easier? Doesn;t Nick Saban give Alabam his 1st place vote and LSU a 2 b/c it is pro SEC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsosi Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I'd put Stafford and Newton ahead of Romo too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) Yes, BUT, don;t you think that players vote on their own teammates easier? Doesn;t Nick Saban give Alabam his 1st place vote and LSU a 2 b/c it is pro SEC? Possibly, but I'd like to think that players and coaches are less of a homer than most of us. I doubt Bill Belichick is voting a straight Patriots ballot, nor is Tom Brady voting for his defensive players (who've been pretty bad). Likewise I know some fans are not complete homers either. When I used to attend a lot of Indians games in the 90s (when we had a long string of consecutive sellouts) I know the fans were stuffing the ballot box. People would get a ballot, drop it on the floor or seat, and others (kids mostly) would pick them up and vote all Indians. I often did one ballot all Indians (my homer ballot) then would do a second of deserving players. My basic point stands, fan voting along does not dictate the Pro Bowl, therefore the "popular team and large population points" are not as relevant as they are in MLB/NBA. PS How many Cowboy fans are like you voting for Texans, isn't that grounds for being thrown off the bandwagon Edited December 28, 2011 by stevegrab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 If I were ranking the NFC QBs, I would as such: Brees Rodgers Stafford Newton Eli Romo Bingo. While we can argue the order of Eli or Romo, they're fighting for 5th and 6th best NFC QBs IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_bone65 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Dude, really. Everyone knows how far up Romo's ass you are but still you need to draw the line somewhere with slip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Dude, really. Everyone knows how far up Romo's ass you are but still you need to draw the line somewhere with slip +1 The guy isn't a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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