BeeR Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d825b..._content_stream " Had Bill Polian survived in Indianapolis, and Jim Caldwell had not, it's a near certainty that Fisher would have been near the top of that list as well" I'm not Polian's biggest fan but him and Fischer beats the living crap out of whoever and Caldwell. Why don't they fire that putz already?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 More on the GM and HC situation. Scary stuff about Caldwell. http://www.indystar.com/article/20120104/S...-take-some-time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 So if Caldwell was out and Polian remained, they would have had Fisher at the top of their list, and possibly have the franchize QB in place (or to be drafted). Not really a strong indication that Fisher would be interested or would have Indy at the top of his list. The fact that the Polians were let go but Caldwell was retained says something. Either he stays, has some input in GM, or new GM will be hired based on his ability to work with Caldwell, or his wanting to get rid of Caldwell and bring in another head coach. Considering the teams recent success and general good decisions of ownership, I'd trust Isray on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Guess I'm on the outside looking in on why he heck Jeff Fischer is regarded as a top NFL coach. Was it because, in 5 of his last 7 seasons with the Titans, he was under .500? Or worse, was it because he was less than 8-8 in 10 of his 15 years overall?? Save for one year of going to the Super Bowl some 12 years ago, his resume is, to put it bluntly...pretty piss-poor I'll never get the notion that he is a must-have coach...and I'd rather have an up-and-comer with some new ideas and motivation than a guy who's best years were never really that good anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I'll never get the notion that he is a must-have coach...and I'd rather have an up-and-comer with some new ideas and motivation than a guy who's best years were never really that good anyway. Amen. Same with Chuckie and Cowher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 Guess I'm on the outside looking in on why he heck Jeff Fischer is regarded as a top NFL coach. Was it because, in 5 of his last 7 seasons with the Titans, he was under .500? Or worse, was it because he was less than 8-8 in 10 of his 15 years overall?? Save for one year of going to the Super Bowl some 12 years ago, his resume is, to put it bluntly...pretty piss-poor I'll never get the notion that he is a must-have coach...and I'd rather have an up-and-comer with some new ideas and motivation than a guy who's best years were never really that good anyway. Try looking at the rosters of guys he had to work with. He was squeezing blood from a (rotten) turnip most years. IMO he's a damn good coach and I'd love to see him hired by the Colts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Fisher Its spelled Fisher Fisher TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 Fisher Its spelled Fisher Fisher TIA As is the case with most of your posts, nobody cares. TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Caldwell.....Fisher......Caldwell......Fisher......Caldwell......Fis her.......Caldwell.......Fisher hmm I'm no Fisher Fan but I think it's at least a step in the right direction which is one step away from Jim Caldwell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Amen. Same with Chuckie and Cowher Actually Chuckie and Cowher are light years ahead of Feesher. Unfortunatley for those two that aint sayin much. Fisher has proven NOTHING. NOTHING. Freaking Fisher coached 16 YEARS and won five playoff games. FIVE in 16 years. He had six winning seasons in 16 years. Good lord some of these guys are desparate for a barely mediocre coach and team. I am glad he did not go to the Colts. They deserve better(not Caldwell). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Guess I'm on the outside looking in on why he heck Jeff Fischer is regarded as a top NFL coach. Was it because, in 5 of his last 7 seasons with the Titans, he was under .500? Or worse, was it because he was less than 8-8 in 10 of his 15 years overall?? Save for one year of going to the Super Bowl some 12 years ago, his resume is, to put it bluntly...pretty piss-poor I'll never get the notion that he is a must-have coach...and I'd rather have an up-and-comer with some new ideas and motivation than a guy who's best years were never really that good anyway. werd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Guess I'm on the outside looking in on why he heck Jeff Fischer is regarded as a top NFL coach. Was it because, in 5 of his last 7 seasons with the Titans, he was under .500? Or worse, was it because he was less than 8-8 in 10 of his 15 years overall?? Save for one year of going to the Super Bowl some 12 years ago, his resume is, to put it bluntly...pretty piss-poor I'll never get the notion that he is a must-have coach...and I'd rather have an up-and-comer with some new ideas and motivation than a guy who's best years were never really that good anyway. :bigjohn: as discussed here a while back :bigjohn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 Actually Chuckie and Cowher are light years ahead of Feesher. Unfortunatley for those two that aint sayin much. Fisher has proven NOTHING. NOTHING. Freaking Fisher coached 16 YEARS and won five playoff games. FIVE in 16 years. He had six winning seasons in 16 years. Good lord some of these guys are desparate for a barely mediocre coach and team. I am glad he did not go to the Colts. They deserve better(not Caldwell). Again: try looking at what he had to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I would gladly have taken Fisher (Cowher, Gruden, Reid, Turner, Schottenheimer, etc) over virtually every coach hired in Cleveland over the last 13 years. Some of you just don't realize there are not many good coaches out there. Most young up and coming coaches end up being fall on their face terrible within a few years. So most teams would prefer to hire guys with NFL head coaching experience that have had some success. That list is pretty short. Its funny how some people have the "coaches are paid to win championships" attitude (caddyman expressed that in the other Fisher thread). Sure they are, but does that mean there are 31 failures at head coach each year that should be looking for another job? Its bad enough the way things are now, guys signed to 3 year contracts, and let go less than 2 years in. Now you want to dismiss guys who were actually pretty good with their teams. Few coaches have won a SB, let alone more. Few coaches have long term success with over .500 records, winning say 10-11 games. Most of them have jobs which they'll stay in, and will eventually retire and not coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Again: try looking at what he had to work with. I have a hard time separating a coach who was with the same team for 16 years and the decision making in terms of who they brought in. Are you, and others who make this argument, claiming that Fisher had noting to do with personnel decisions? Being with a team that long and nobody bothered to even consult him as to who he'd like to bring in to execute his game plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 I have a hard time separating a coach who was with the same team for 16 years and the decision making in terms of who they brought in. It varies. Some have immense input/influence, others not nearly as much. I can't say where the line was drawn with Fisher. Can you? Are you, and others who make this argument, claiming that Fisher had noting to do with personnel decisions? Being with a team that long and nobody bothered to even consult him as to who he'd like to bring in to execute his game plan? He is not the GM. Far as I know, never was. Again I can't say how much input he had but the decisions ultimately weren't his. So trying to blame him or for that is weak. And even if true, it speaks to his GM-ing/scouting abilities (for lack of a better term), not his coaching abilities. I notice you don't deny he had to a large extent crapola to work with. I think he's a very good coach and would love to see him w/the Colts. You disagree, fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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