keggerz Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) I am sure that there are many that will say that if Brady wins SB46 that he has to be considered the best of all-time (I can't remember the tweets but read on twitter basically that same thing)...anyway...to stir the pot a bit I have to ask...what happens if Eli wins his 2nd ring? Is he looked at as the better QB compared to his brother? What say you? I mean if you say yes then that does lead to the argument for Brady being the best ever, that is if he wins, but if you dismiss Eli with 2 rings over his brother and his 1, then is it really all about the rings? And if that is the case then does winning SB46 really make Brady #1? FWIW, I do think that the Super Bowl matters, but it is a team game and I think that to much weight is given to the ring. Edited January 23, 2012 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I think lol @ Brady best ever and most conversations about this topic when you get down to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 .... I do think that the Super Bowl matters, but it is a team game and I think that to much weight is given to the ring. Whew, I thought I was going to have to call you a f'in retard for a minute there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Brady>P.Manning>E.Manning But Eli's career ain't over yet. And Peyton's may or may not be either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) Eli looks somewhat the dufus compared to both Brady and his brother.... that said, if Eli wins, he'll have beaten Brady for the big prize twice....in his first 7 years in the league as a starter. Oh, and he also is now the winningest QB in postseason history with 5 wins on the road. And he's thrown for 4000 yards in three straight years, and came just 67 yards shy of 5,000 this year (4,933, which is more than Peyton ever threw for in a single-season)....and he's thrown for 20+ TDs in every year he's been the starter. Pretty impressive. Edited January 23, 2012 by i_am_the_swammi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Whew, I thought I was going to have to call you a f'in retard for a minute there. +1 Walter Payton got one ring. Barry Sanders didn't get any. It's not all about rings - it's a team game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I think lol @ Brady best ever and most conversations about this topic when you get down to it. Four SB wins, and would have won all of them without a Jerry Rice type guy, and you laugh at the conversation? When Brady wins his fourth he and Montana dead even. What Brady has managed to do has been nothing more than amazing. People that say they laugh at the notion that Brady is equal to or greater than Montana need to wake up and realize the greatness we get to watch on Sundays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Four SB wins, and would have won all of them without a Jerry Rice type guy, and you laugh at the conversation? When Brady wins his fourth he and Montana dead even. What Brady has managed to do has been nothing more than amazing. People that say they laugh at the notion that Brady is equal to or greater than Montana need to wake up and realize the greatness we get to watch on Sundays. Great post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) Four SB wins, and would have won all of them without a Jerry Rice type guy, and you laugh at the conversation? When Brady wins his fourth he and Montana dead even. What Brady has managed to do has been nothing more than amazing. People that say they laugh at the notion that Brady is equal to or greater than Montana need to wake up and realize the greatness we get to watch on Sundays. That being said, Montana would not have been as great without Walsh. Just as I thing Brady would not be as good without Belichick. Neither is better than the other imo. Perfect combination of coach and QB. Without those coach/QB combinations, neither of those two QB's reach as many SB as they have/did. FWIW, Elway may be better than both. That dude took some bad Broncos teams to SB's on his abilities alone. Edited January 23, 2012 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwb2116 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Four SB wins, and would have won all of them without a Jerry Rice type guy Richard Seymour, Teddy Bruschi, Rodney Harrison, etc. Let's not completely forget that the defense was the cornerstone of that team in the dynasty years. Montana, Aikman, Brady, none of them could have won 3+ SBs without their supporting cast. They've all been on great TEAMS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I think lol @ Brady best ever and most conversations about this topic when you get down to it. I agree wholeheartedly with the second part of your post and disagree entirely with the first part. Brady certainly is in a conversation when records are being broken held by Montana (most playoff wins) and Elway (5 Super Bowls). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 And to accept the bait as to whether Eli > Peyton, It's kind of irrelevant. Peyton Manning is the best pure QB of his generation. Eli has had a remarkable career to this point and frankly, with this win today, I'm kind of impressed. He's entering some rarified air of QBs in multiple Super Bowls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papajohn Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Peopla have a tendency to glorify the past. Why I do not know, but they do. In 20 years we will probably talk about Brady as one of the best, if not the best, but until then the majority of football fans will refuse. Brady will be considered amoung the very best and Peyton Manning will be compared with Dan Marino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwb2116 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Peopla have a tendency to glorify the past. People also have a tendency to be prisoners of the moment. Back in 2009 people fawned over Peyton Manning after he won his 4th MVP and NFL.com did a ranking among analysts and he was in the top 10 of all time. Brady was in the 20s. Now some are saying that Eli Manning is better than his big brother. Both of those positions are too over the top in my opinion. Brady will be considered amoung the very best and Peyton Manning will be compared with Dan Marino. But, Marino is considered among the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Peyton Manning is the best pure QB evah! Fixed for accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice1 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) Another ring by Brady will cement him the conversation best all time. He has already won the most playoff games ever I believe and know he is the 2nd highest rated QB all time just behind Rodgers but has way more games played. Eli is obviously an underrated QB but to date is not even in the same conversation although he is certainly marching toward the Hall of Fame. Time will tell. He is very cool under pressure in big games and has been amazing on third downs. While he is not big brother, he sure looks like he will get more rings. Another ring for Eli will certainly elevate his status and move him further out of Peyton's shadow as a top tier QB in his own right. Edited January 23, 2012 by Ice1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorcher Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Richard Seymour, Teddy Bruschi, Rodney Harrison, etc. Let's not completely forget that the defense was the cornerstone of that team in the dynasty years. Montana, Aikman, Brady, none of them could have won 3+ SBs without their supporting cast. They've all been on great TEAMS. +1 Eli has had much better defenses than Peyton.Peyton has been higher octane in the offense department. Brady's defenses have been up down. I think Eli gets his 2nd ring because of the Patriot defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Eli looks somewhat the dufus compared to both Brady and his brother.... that said, if Eli wins, he'll have beaten Brady for the big prize twice....in his first 7 years in the league as a starter. Oh, and he also is now the winningest QB in postseason history with 5 wins on the road. And he's thrown for 4000 yards in three straight years, and came just 67 yards shy of 5,000 this year (4,933, which is more than Peyton ever threw for in a single-season)....and he's thrown for 20+ TDs in every year he's been the starter. Pretty impressive. Eli does have the most road playoff victories but he is NOT the winningest QB in postseason history - neither by win % or number of wins. Brady and Montana are tied at 16 playoff wins each and Bart Starr was 9-1 in the playoffs. I think and have thought for years now that Eli is terribly underrated as an NFL QB. He gets better every year and now with 3 young WRs to grow old with, I think Eli's legacy is yet to be determined. He's pretty darn clutch too - probably moreso than Peyton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorcher Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) Eli does have the most road playoff victories but he is NOT the winningest QB in postseason history - neither by win % or number of wins. Brady and Montana are tied at 16 playoff wins each and Bart Starr was 9-1 in the playoffs. I think and have thought for years now that Eli is terribly underrated as an NFL QB. He gets better every year and now with 3 young WRs to grow old with, I think Eli's legacy is yet to be determined. He's pretty darn clutch too - probably moreso than Peyton. They were saying yesterday that he had the most road wins in post season history. Edited January 23, 2012 by Scorcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 They were saying yesterday that he had the most road wins in post season history. Yep, that's what I said too but I was correcting swammi who said Eli was the winningest QB in playoff history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Williams QB Redskins = 1 ring Dilfer QB Ravens = 1 ring Marino QB Miami = 0 rings Now let's rank these QB's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Tom Brady 2007: 65.7% comp 28 TD 13 INT 4398 Yds Matt Cassel 2008: 63.4% comp 21 TD 11 INT 3693 Yds Matt Cassel 2009 KC: 55% comp 16 TD 16 INT 2924 Yds. P. Mannning 2010: 66.3% comp 33 TD 17 INT 4700 yds. Colts QBs 2011: 56.5% comp 14 TD 14 INT 3223 yds. The Patriots have a VERY good and great coach team that Brady is playing behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Comparing Eli Manning to Tom Brady is laughable. In 11 season Brady has 300 TD's and 115 INT's. In 8 seasons Manning has 185 TD's and 129 INT's. Brady had a season where he had 50 TD's and 8 INT's and a QB rating of 117.2. 3 times in his career he's had a QB rating of over 100. His 3 highest TD total years were 50, 39, and 36. The year he had 36 TD's he had 4 INT's. Those are some stupid numbers, and one of the reasons I hate the guy. Lol. Throw in his playoff accomplishments and it puts him at an even higher level. As a comparison, Eli has never had a passer rating over 100. His highest TD total was 31, but he threw 25 INT's that year. His three highest TD totals are 31, 29 and 27. He is a good quaterback, but is no Tom Brady, and probably never will be. If he throws 115 TD's in the next 3 years, he would have the same 300 that Brady had over the same time period, unfortunately he'd have to figure out a way to undo 14 INT's over those 3 years to equal Brady. And I know stats don't tell everything, but anyone who wants to tell me that Manning has more intangibles then Brady is coocoo for Koko puffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Why are you guys hatin on slip ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorcher Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Yep, that's what I said too but I was correcting swammi who said Eli was the winningest QB in playoff history. Sorry I just saw that in your post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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