Big John Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 http://content.usatoday.com/communities/th...ells-shut-out/1 DB Jack Butler, C Dermontti Dawson, DE Chris Doleman, DT Cortez Kennedy, RB Curtis Martin and T Willie Roaf were all selected for enshrinement this summer in Canton, Ohio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I know that I am a homer but it is about time that Dermontti Dawson is added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I know that I am a homer but it is about time that Dermontti Dawson is added. I'm obviously not , and I agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Best class in quite some time IMO. Not as "better than others per se but typically there are 1 or 2 who are IMO questionable. None here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 http://content.usatoday.com/communities/th...ells-shut-out/1 DB Jack Butler, C Dermontti Dawson, DE Chris Doleman, DT Cortez Kennedy, RB Curtis Martin and T Willie Roaf were all selected for enshrinement this summer in Canton, Ohio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I'm obviously not , and I agree 100% +1. I'm liking the classes rolling in with lots of line players. Of this class, the only one I'm not 100% on is Doleman. But I'd probably rate him as a "bubble" guy, so it isn't as if I think he's completely undeserving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Tim Brown... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I loved watching Doleman. He'd beat his guy around the end and knock the ball out of the quarterback's hands quite often. He was the type of guy that brought all his notes of his opponents with him to practice in his briefcase. Not many linemen came to work with a briefcase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Joe Klecko, still the only NFL player ever to be named to the pro bowl at 3 different positions. Other than that, nice class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) Best class in quite some time IMO. Not as "better than others per se but typically there are 1 or 2 who are IMO questionable. None here. Actually, my first reaction was that there are a couple I'm not so sure about. Butler, I obviously never saw play, but he was the last member of the secondary for the NFL's 1950's all decade team not enshrined, so I'm not going to object. Dawson and Roaf I have no qualms with. Kennedy was a fantastic player for a long time on some bad teams, and he was consistently rated as a 1st team all-pro. Doleman, meh. Maybe I could be convinced, but I don't think of him as a HOFer. Reggie White? Yeah. Bruce Smith? Yeah......Maybe he's #3 of his era. Trying to think of who else might be. Just seems like he was a good player for a long time, not a great player. Maybe I have selective memory. Martin? I waver on this because he was a good RB for a long time, and obviously had the career longevity and consistency to put up all-time numbers, but was he great? Do I think of the great RB's of the game and think "Curtis Martin"? No. I wouldn't consider him one of the top RBs of the era he played in at all. He never won anything, he was a 1st Team All-Pro once. He stayed healthy and stayed good, so I guess that's enough. Regardless, I don't know how the HOF voters can look at themselves when they leave the likes of Charles Haley and Bill Parcels off the final list anyway. Edited February 5, 2012 by godtomsatan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) I see there are some voters saying that three receiver candidates are canceling each other out. Cris Carter has better numbers than many players in now. To not have him not in the hall is like having a HOF with Jerry Rice as the only WR receiver in it as he's the only one with better numbers. But Carter is just as good at being a jerk as he was a player. That plays against him. Edited February 5, 2012 by MikesVikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Good to see Roaf get in. That man could still play when the Chiefs had him at the end of his career. One of the best LT ever, if not the best. Wish Will Shields would have gotten in, and I think he will at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 When Ray Guy gets elected I will pay attention. Until then it doesn't really matter to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 When Ray Guy gets elected I will pay attention. Until then it doesn't really matter to me. +1 on Ray Guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 No Tim Brown makes this class a farce. I won't even be watching it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Doleman, meh. Maybe I could be convinced, but I don't think of him as a HOFer. Reggie White? Yeah. Bruce Smith? Yeah......Maybe he's #3 of his era. Trying to think of who else might be. Just seems like he was a good player for a long time, not a great player. Maybe I have selective memory. Right - he kinda smacks of "compiler" to me (though averaging 10 sacks a yr over 15 yrs isn't exactly small change); but as you say, if you rank him the 3rd best DE of the 80s/early 90s....well, can you knock a guy for being behind Smith and White? It explains why he only had two All-Pro selections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 No Tim Brown, Chris Carter or Charles Haley seems whack. Maybe their stats are marginal but all 3 seem to pass the eyeball test. IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satelliteoflovegm Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I agree Martin is sketchy in only his second year trying. Vote him I guess but make him wait...Andre has waited and deserves it over Brown and Carter. Neither of the other two have rings, they all have comparable stats but Reed was more successful. With 4 straight Super Bowl appearances. It should go stats, then decent stats with rings, and then very good stats with appearances. Reed has very good stats with appearances. Waited his turn and got pushed out. Foul dear sirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Tim Brown... Imagine being Cris Carter... How Cris Carter wasn't a first ballot HOF'er is beyond me. It's getting to be a joke now. And this is coming from a Packers fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I think we're going to see fewer and fewer WRs getting in....Brown, Carter, and Reed were all top 4 at time of retirement in rec and rec yds...now as guys like Fitz, Wayne, and Andre Johnson start getting into the latter part of their careers, they're going to start ticking down the ladder. My bet is we won't see any of the HoF-bubble WRs from the 80/90s get in (Ellard, Fryar, Rod Smith, Gary Clark) and even players who look like locks (like Brown, Carter, Reed, even Harrison for that matter) will be waiting, if they get in at all. Those guys are now in the statistical neighborhood of Derrick Mason and Hines Ward, who were/are GOOD players, but should have to buy a ticket to get into the HoF. Now, I realize that relative to the era, those guys numbers were far more robust than they appear NOW, but I don't generally give HoF voters enough credit to realize that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby's Hubby Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) someone please shed some light as to why Cortez Kennedy got in. the guy had one good year ...maybe all time seahawks but not HOF Edited February 5, 2012 by Scooby's Hubby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 A lackluster class. Roaf, Dawson and some marginal guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Seriously... Kennedy, Martin, and Doleman, but not Carter and Brown?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 someone please shed some light as to why Cortez Kennedy got in. the guy had one good year ...maybe all time seahawks but not HOF He was the last of the four defensive linemen listed on the NFL's All-1990's 1st Team to be enshrined into Canton. The others are Reggie White, Bruce Smith, and John Randle. One of only six DT's to be named NFL DPOY: Alan Page, Joe Greene, Warren Sapp account for 3 of the others. 8 Pro Bowls, 3 1st Team All-NFL's. He had one great year, and about 7 other pretty damn good years. I'm not going to cite him as an elite level player, because he played in one playoff game in his NFL career. However, his inclusion on the all-time teams speaks volumes to how he was thought of while he was still playing. I don't know if he deserves a spot more than some who were left off, but I don't think he's the most egregious of the selections made this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Until Jerry Kramer gets inducted the Hall has no validity to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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