Square Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I can see CHI not paying Forte what he wants since they already offered him $30mil and he turned it down. Forte reportedly turned down $15 million guaranteed in August. So Forte did not accept a deal that was worth 15 mil guaranteed. My guess was a couple mil short but it seems like the offer was no where near 30 million. The fact that he is over 50% of the team's offense says something. Especially when you consider some of the other RB contracts over recent years. McFadden's contract is worth 26 mil guaranteed MJD 17.5 mil (from 3 or 4 years ago I think) Brandon Jacobs made 13 mil guaranteed (4 year ending this year) DeAngelo Williams 21 mil guaranteed Michael Turner 15 mil Reggie Bush's NO contract was 26 mil guaranteed Sproles is around 14mil I believe I don't know what exactly Forte is willing to settle for, but I don't blaim him for turning down 15 mil. Two years of franchise tag will actually pay him over 15 million and he'd still be 28 (should at least get one more contract after that). Granted that is all assuming he stays healthy but if I were him I'd have turned that down as well. He's a good all around player (average 1500 all around yards for 4 years now) and seems like a good locker room and off the field guy as well. Hopefully the Bears can make it work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I wasn't suggesting that he should've accepted or turned it down, but rather that (reportedly) he DID turn it down. I know it's a different GM, so the question is, how much was and is other decision makers involved and will they now increase the offer significantly? If they don't increase it much, will Forte now accept or turn it down again? What happens if they tag him and don't work out a new offer? Does he hold out? From what I gathered from his quotes, that seems dependent on what signs he's getting from the team. He has seemingly taken the high road thus far, so I'm guessing he just plays for the year under the tagged contract and takes it out on the team by bolting as an UFA after that if he feels they're just dicking around. That is the deal with franchised players, right? If they tag you and don't sign you, they can't tag you again? You're an UFA after that season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfan Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 The one player I see right off the bat that teams will surrender a 1st for if not tagged, is Mike Wallace. The Ravens and Patriots are 2 teams with low 1sts that will be all over Wallace if Pitt doesn't manage to get him signed. Sanders and Brown as the WR nucleus for Big Ben? He might just go on a raping spree if that pans out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingfootball Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Stanford Routt has agreed to a three-year, $19.6 million contract to play in Kansas City, reports NFL Network's Jason La Canfora. Dammit, I wished they could have worked out something with Carr. He must have been asking for the moon to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 yeah I know...forgot this is the new politically correct forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 The one player I see right off the bat that teams will surrender a 1st for if not tagged, is Mike Wallace. The Ravens and Patriots are 2 teams with low 1sts that will be all over Wallace if Pitt doesn't manage to get him signed. Sanders and Brown as the WR nucleus for Big Ben? He might just go on a raping spree if that pans out. Everything that I've read points to the Bengals going hard after Wallace. A ton of cap room, and you get your nucleus on offense tied up for a long time. Green opposite Wallace would be nasty. That, and they'd be hurting a divisional opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 yeah I know...forgot this is the new politically correct forum. Not sure if it has to do with politics, but certain things are better off left alone when making a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Not sure if it has to do with politics, but certain things are better off left alone when making a joke. I suppose. Seems my humor is getting a little edgy being off the sauce ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Everything that I've read points to the Bengals going hard after Wallace. A ton of cap room, and you get your nucleus on offense tied up for a long time. Green opposite Wallace would be nasty. That, and they'd be hurting a divisional opponent. this is the correct answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) Everything that I've read points to the Bengals going hard after Wallace. A ton of cap room, and you get your nucleus on offense tied up for a long time. Green opposite Wallace would be nasty. That, and they'd be hurting a divisional opponent. I'm a life long Bengals fan. I would love to see this happen, but I will not hold my breath. The whole idea is very un-bengal like, or should I say out of character for Mike Brown. I would almost be surprised if NE doesn't do this though. It makes too much sense. It would allow NE to actually get someone great with all these picks they stockpile, at an area of need no less. Edited February 21, 2012 by Capt. Stanky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I suppose. Seems my humor is getting a little edgy being off the sauce ..... So basically you're the Bizarro Opie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 So basically you're the Bizarro Opie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Does anyone know if a tendered player can be traded? (eg. PIT trading Wallace to an NFC team) Yes. Wes Welker is a prime example of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I'm a life long Bengals fan. I would love to see this happen, but I will not hold my breath. The whole idea is very un-bengal like, or should I say out of character for Mike Brown. I would almost be surprised if NE doesn't do this though. It makes too much sense. It would allow NE to actually get someone great with all these picks they stockpile, at an area of need no less. Times are changing. Mike Brown traded Carson Palmer, and gave Chad Johnson his walking papers, then went out and had a heck of a draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Yes. Wes Welker is a prime example of this. Not so sure. Wes Welker was traded under a different CBA. The question is can you still do it under the new CBA. Come on Taz, try and keep up. I'm getting tired of having to catch you up with everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) Not so sure. Wes Welker was traded under a different CBA. The question is can you still do it under the new CBA. Come on Taz, try and keep up. I'm getting tired of having to catch you up with everyone else. Well here is the new CBA I'm not in the mood to sift through it but I believe its in Article 10 somewhere . Somebody else can go over it....I'm having the urge to drink so its best time I get the hell out of dodge before I blow it. Edited February 21, 2012 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I wasn't suggesting that he should've accepted or turned it down, but rather that (reportedly) he DID turn it down. I guess my point was that he DID turn down a 14 to 15 million dollar deal, but he was NEVER really offered a 30 million dollar deal. We'll see what happens though. I have some optimism now that they've cleaned Angelo out of office. If the new GM screws up handling Forte (and Idonije) than it'll be a rough start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I suppose. Seems my humor is getting a little edgy being off the sauce ..... I think the point some are trying ti make is that we should be able to have discussion about certain players and fantasy football without always bringing up their off field issues - Big Ben and the alleged rape of women - Mike Vick and dog fighting - Ray Lewis and being involved in a murder etc. It just detracts from the conversation and gets people derailed into attacking or defending such statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Posted February 21, 2012 Author Share Posted February 21, 2012 I think the point some are trying ti make is that we should be able to have discussion about certain players and fantasy football without always bringing up their off field issues- Big Ben and the alleged rape of women - Mike Vick and dog fighting - Ray Lewis and being involved in a murder etc. It just detracts from the conversation and gets people derailed into attacking or defending such statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Stanky Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Times are changing. Mike Brown traded Carson Palmer, and gave Chad Johnson his walking papers, then went out and had a heck of a draft. Times are changing, but these are completely different situations than us signing Wallace to an offer sheet. Ocho's play had declined, and this lost year in NE confirms that. Palmer wasn't going to play another down in a Bengals uniform, so he would have been a complete idiot if he hadn't taken Oak's bounty of picks. Signing Wallace to a big contract would be very out of character for Mike Brown, let alone losing a 1st round pick to do so. Like I stated, I would love it, but I'm a realist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfan Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 yeah I know...forgot this is the new politically correct forum. You obviously did not click on the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 You obviously did not click on the link. I'm not sure anybody knew there was a link, I had to go back and read your posts then I noticed holding the mouse over the emoticon that tthere was a link. When most people read a post and see one of those, they don't bother moving the mouse over them to see if there's a link. So you might want to use something like one of these click here and then add your smiley face or whatever icon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 the Browns will most probably tag D'Qwell Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Times are changing, but these are completely different situations than us signing Wallace to an offer sheet. Ocho's play had declined, and this lost year in NE confirms that. Palmer wasn't going to play another down in a Bengals uniform, so he would have been a complete idiot if he hadn't taken Oak's bounty of picks. Signing Wallace to a big contract would be very out of character for Mike Brown, let alone losing a 1st round pick to do so. Like I stated, I would love it, but I'm a realist. Man . . . Bengals are almost 40 million UNDER the cap. I hope they sign Wallace . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I'm not sure anybody knew there was a link, I had to go back and read your posts then I noticed holding the mouse over the emoticon that tthere was a link. When most people read a post and see one of those, they don't bother moving the mouse over them to see if there's a link. So you might want to use something like one of these click here and then add your smiley face or whatever icon Thanks new guy in case you missed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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