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[detlef]

James Bond is ditching martinis for Heineken in the new movie.  

[Joessfl]

detlef, on 04 April 2012 - 07:08 AM, said:

James Bond is ditching martinis for Heineken in the new movie.  

You cant have one of those shaken!  This is unholy.  We need an Occupy movement!  

On the other side, how many script lines will have James Bond saying something corny like  "I would like a heine, please."  <sigh>

[matt770]

Piss

[SEC=UGA]

You ever try to carry on a close quarters conversation with someone who is drinking Heineken?

It is the most foul smelling stuff on the face of the earth.

[Furd]

Its part of the "modernization" or dumbing down of the Bond character.  In Casino Royale, they replaced baccarat with poker.

I hear that in the next film, Bond drives a pickup truck.

And I imagine that the martini industry couldn't pay the filmmaker as much as Heineken International did.

[Joessfl]

Furd, on 04 April 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

Its part of the "modernization" or dumbing down of the Bond character.  In Casino Royale, they replaced baccarat with poker.

I hear that in the next film, Bond drives a pickup truck.

And I imagine that the martini industry couldn't pay the filmmaker as much as Heineken International did.

Yep, its all about the almighty dollar.  Heaven forbid, that they actually stick to a character's traits and work within those.  Pickup truck sounds like an appropriate transition to make him seem "more accessable" to the general public that dont drive Mercedes.    It all seems desperate to save the franchise.  I suppose Brookstone or Sharper Image will be approached to sponser those cool gadgets and product placement.

I think the Timothy Daulton ones were probably the last Bond I watched and were entertaining.  They were a bit dark and he wasnt a great actor, but entertaining stories I thought.  I havent seen one since.

[detlef]

Furd, on 04 April 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

Its part of the "modernization" or dumbing down of the Bond character.  In Casino Royale, they replaced baccarat with poker.

I hear that in the next film, Bond drives a pickup truck.

And I imagine that the martini industry couldn't pay the filmmaker as much as Heineken International did.

As much as I like Casino Royale and think Craig is a good Bond, I was annoyed as hell by the dumbing down element, especially with respect to poker.  "Ooh, he has a tell!"  Forget for a moment how effing stupid it is that a guy who plays (and typically wins) poker games where the stakes are 10s and 100s of millions of dollars would have a tell so freaking obvious as scratching his eye every time he bluffed.  I mean, I'm guessing he'd get that little habit worked out before he graduated from the local $5 blind game, but it just seemed like a stupid attempt at bringing a quasi cerebral element in, a cerebral element specifically aimed at morons.

[delusions of grandeur]

Furd, on 04 April 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

Its part of the "modernization" or dumbing down of the Bond character.  In Casino Royale, they replaced baccarat with poker.

Umm, my guess is it has far more to do with product placement. Just a guess though...

Green and clear bottles are probably the worst thing to ever happen to beer.  If I want something that smells like a skunk, I'll get a bag of kind bud, thank you very much...

[Big John]

Or the fun that would ensue when he orders it shaken not stirred?

[SayItAintSoJoe]

Furd, on 04 April 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

Its part of the "modernization" or dumbing down of the Bond character.  In Casino Royale, they replaced baccarat with poker.

I hear that in the next film, Bond drives a pickup truck.

And I imagine that the martini industry couldn't pay the filmmaker as much as Heineken International did.

Maybe they'll just replace him with "The Most Interesting Man in the World" and have him drink Dos Equis next time.


ETA: for some reason I felt compelled to reply to this thread somehow

[stevegrab]

Its not even real beer, with rice as the primary grain. I like the stuff myself, not my favorite but one of my regulars. But this is just silly, and as some have said more about $$ than anything else. Its like all the product placement on network TV, especially cars of certain brands that dominate some TV shows.

Oh well, I wonder what brand of pies the Three Stooges are tossing in their new movie.

[SheikYerbuti]

detlef, on 04 April 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

As much as I like Casino Royale and think Craig is a good Bond, I was annoyed as hell by the dumbing down element, especially with respect to poker.  "Ooh, he has a tell!"  Forget for a moment how effing stupid it is that a guy who plays (and typically wins) poker games where the stakes are 10s and 100s of millions of dollars would have a tell so freaking obvious as scratching his eye every time he bluffed.  I mean, I'm guessing he'd get that little habit worked out before he graduated from the local $5 blind game, but it just seemed like a stupid attempt at bringing a quasi cerebral element in, a cerebral element specifically aimed at morons.

Some of the biggest players in the world have tells.  Some of them have glaring ones. I'm not talking scratching their nose when they bluff, but there are plenty that any novice could see with a 5 minute primer.  Playing for 10's of thousands of dollars works in 2 ways.  Either it's too much for someone to handle and the pressure squeezes tells out of them, or someone like Eli Elezra where 10's of thousands to him is like playing for pennies for you and me.  Most of the time he just doesn't care enough to keep a stone face.

And I like them switching out the baccarat.  Bac is a completely uninteresting game.  There's zero skill involved.  Bac is a bunch of asians keeping track of whether Player or Banker has won more hands, like that has any effect on what's going to happen in the future (fyi, it doesn't.. .. at all. . .zero).  Now, the poker scene in Casino Royale was eye-rollingly bad in the Cincinnati Kid vein, but I'll still take it over bac.

[detlef]

SheikYerbuti, on 04 April 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

Some of the biggest players in the world have tells.  Some of them have glaring ones. I'm not talking scratching their nose when they bluff, but there are plenty that any novice could see with a 5 minute primer.  Playing for 10's of thousands of dollars works in 2 ways.  Either it's too much for someone to handle and the pressure squeezes tells out of them, or someone like Eli Elezra where 10's of thousands to him is like playing for pennies for you and me.  Most of the time he just doesn't care enough to keep a stone face.

And I like them switching out the baccarat.  Bac is a completely uninteresting game.  There's zero skill involved.  Bac is a bunch of asians keeping track of whether Player or Banker has won more hands, like that has any effect on what's going to happen in the future (fyi, it doesn't.. .. at all. . .zero).  Now, the poker scene in Casino Royale was eye-rollingly bad in the Cincinnati Kid vein, but I'll still take it over bac.

Given your profession, I'm certainly not going to argue with you on the first part.  And I completely agree on the 2nd.  Draw some cards and see who has the better hand.  Weee.

Speaking of the poker scene, at the final showdown, I'm curious about protocol.  Given that everyone was all in but to various levels, who, technically got called and thus is required to show their hand?  It happened that each dude, in turn, beat the guy who showed before him which was handy for drama, but did it happen to be the appropriate order anyway?  If I go all-in with, say $500K then dude with blood coming out of his eyes pushes it to $50 million and is ultimately called by the dashing fellow sipping on a Vesper, am I on the hook to show my cards first?

[muck]

Det --- I think you are on the hook to show first.  Blood guy second.  Dashing guy third.

...however...

I also had an issue w/ protocol on the showdown ... Bond should never have chunked all his money in and mixed it around seeing how he was the large stack going into the final hand; had he lost, there would have been no way to tell how much he should have had left over.

[Chargerz]

Furd, on 04 April 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

Its part of the "modernization" or dumbing down of the Bond character.  In Casino Royale, they replaced baccarat with poker.

I hear that in the next film, Bond drives a pickup truck.

SayItAintSoJoe, on 04 April 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

Maybe they'll just replace him with "The Most Interesting Man in the World" and have him drink Dos Equis next time.

[whomper]

SEC=UGA, on 04 April 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

You ever try to carry on a close quarters conversation with someone who is drinking Heineken?

It is the most foul smelling stuff on the face of the earth.

I went fishing with a bunch of my friends on a charter boat one time. As usual we get out far and I am green in the gills and puking my brains out sea sick. So my friends did what any good friends would do for a friend in need that was barely upright. They poured Heinekens all over me. That smell was so strong I think I puked up my communion cake

[BeeR]

Connery needs to come back just one more time so when someone asks what he's having he comes back with something like  "Well I sure as hell don't want a Heineken."

Lame.  Agree though it's all about $.

[detlef]

muck, on 04 April 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

Det --- I think you are on the hook to show first.  Blood guy second.  Dashing guy third.

...however...

I also had an issue w/ protocol on the showdown ... Bond should never have chunked all his money in and mixed it around seeing how he was the large stack going into the final hand; had he lost, there would have been no way to tell how much he should have had left over.

OK, so I actually went back and watched.

Chinese dude goes all in, fat black guy does as well (so basically calls).   Dude with bloody tears raises to 12 million, dashing fellow with cocktail goes all in, bloody crying dude calls.  So, what's the order then?

[Pope Flick]

James Bond and product placement to hand in hand ever since Dr No, Smirnoff and Red Stripe. Brand cars abound in Goldfinger and they we're off to the races.

This is more in the same vein and is nothing new, except the brand. 23 sequels after Dr No and I have no idea why there's such surprise.

[detlef]

Pope Flick, on 04 April 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

James Bond and product placement to hand in hand ever since Dr No, Smirnoff and Red Stripe. Brand cars abound in Goldfinger and they we're off to the races.

This is more in the same vein and is nothing new, except the brand. 23 sequels after Dr No and I have no idea why there's such surprise.

It isn't the product placement part that bothers me.  Like you said, it's been going on forever.  Rather, the specific product.

[skylive5]

I haven't watched a Bond movie since Connery moved on..... so as far as I am concerned Bond drinks martinis and would have nothing to do with beer.

[buddahj]

BeeR, on 04 April 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

Connery needs to come back just one more time so when someone asks what he's having he comes back with something like  "Well I sure as hell don't want a Heineken."

Lame.  Agree though it's all about $.

I'm pretty sure Bond @ the retirement home won't draw many viewers.

[SheikYerbuti]

detlef, on 04 April 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

Speaking of the poker scene, at the final showdown, I'm curious about protocol.  Given that everyone was all in but to various levels, who, technically got called and thus is required to show their hand?  It happened that each dude, in turn, beat the guy who showed before him which was handy for drama, but did it happen to be the appropriate order anyway?  If I go all-in with, say $500K then dude with blood coming out of his eyes pushes it to $50 million and is ultimately called by the dashing fellow sipping on a Vesper, am I on the hook to show my cards first?

That rule varies from house to house.  The two most common rules are 1. Small blind shows first, then the player to his left, then his left, etc.  or 2. Last player to make an aggressive action (raise/bet) shows first, then to his left around the table.  Some places do it like option 2 unless the river gets checked around (no aggressive action).  Then it's option 1.  

If there are side pots (multiple players all in for varying amounts), you start with the players who started the hand with the most money showing down first, then backtracking until you get to the main pot that everyone's in for.

The biggest problem with the Casino Royale scene was the dealer taking the player's cards and mixing them in with the board cards to show what each person's hand was.  Good for the lay audience, but if a dealer in a real cardroom mashed up the hole cards with the board cards, he'd be flucked.

Edited by SheikYerbuti, 04 April 2012 - 04:28 PM.

[Hugh B Tool]

Bac takes zero skill compared to hold 'em. Heineken is always in the top five imported products yearly, wasn't long ago it was #1. Lets say a bit manlier Bond and less vaganized. I sort of like the change.

[matt770]

I hear he takes a sip, looks directly into the camera and says "Heineken.  Open your world", then wipes his mouth with the cuff of his blazer and shoots a bad guy a split second before said bad guy swings a huge saber toward Bond's head.  Looks like a good flick.