Patriots willing to listen to offer for their backup QBs

[Crazysight]

New England Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio indicated the team would be willing to listen to offers from other teams for QBs Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett.

 

I would think a team like Cleveland would jump at the opportunity to acquire a guy like mallett considering that they have a few early picks this year. Mallett only cost the pats a third rounder last year so they'd probably be willing to part with him for Cleveland's early second, and certainly would part with him for 1.22. With size, a strong arm and a season under his belt in the Pats system learning behind Brady he'd probably be better than anything Cleveland could get at QB with any of their picks this year.

Edited April 19, 2012 by Crazysight

[RJV]

New England Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio indicated the team would be willing to listen to offers from other teams for QBs Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett.

 

I would think a team like Cleveland would jump at the opportunity to acquire a guy like mallett considering that they have a few early picks this year. Mallett only cost the pats a third rounder last year so they'd probably be willing to part with him for Cleveland's early second, and certainly would part with him for 1.22. With size, a strong arm and a season under his belt in the Pats system learning behind Brady he'd probably be better than anything Cleveland could get at QB with any of their picks this year.

 

 

Totally agree

[Crazysight]

His arm is more than just strong, actually. It's ridiculously strong.

[bostonsoxandy]

I hope they don't trade Mallett. Guy seems like a stud-in-the-making from what I saw of him in the pre-season. Unbelievable that guys like Gabbert, Ponder, and Kaepernick all went well before him. I don't see Belichick letting go of him unless he gets a very strong offer.

 

As far as Hoyer goes, Mike Lombardi called him Cassel 2.0. Good guy and I hope he gets a shot somewhere, I don't think he is gonna be nearly as good as Mallett in the future.

 

*crossing my fingers* Don't trade Mallett!

[Crazysight]

I hope they don't trade Mallett. Guy seems like a stud-in-the-making from what I saw of him in the pre-season. Unbelievable that guys like Gabbert, Ponder, and Kaepernick all went well before him. I don't see Belichick letting go of him unless he gets a very strong offer.

 

As far as Hoyer goes, Mike Lombardi called him Cassel 2.0. Good guy and I hope he gets a shot somewhere, I don't think he is gonna be nearly as good as Mallett in the future.

 

*crossing my fingers* Don't trade Mallett!

 

 

Agree with Gabbert and Ponder, think Kaepernick will be pretty good in his own right.

[piratesownninjas]

Agree with Gabbert and Ponder, think Kaepernick will be pretty good in his own right.

 

I've been steadfast in my opinion that Gabbert is garbage, but I think a lot of people are off base on Ponder. I didn't think much of him coming out of FSU, but the guy is going to be good. I thought he did better than expected, and that was on a team in disarray. He had Harvin and a box of farts to throw the ball to.

That being said, I think it is beyond foolish if Cleveland traded 1.22 for Mallett after passing him over round after round last year. It's not as if he came in and lit the league on fire in 2011. No ones opinion should change on Mallett just because he's a better option than Tennehill or whoever else. If Cleveland did this, or drafts Tennehill at 1.4 it will smell of desperation. Cleveland needs to draft the best available player... Richardson/Kahlil/Claibourne.

[delusions of grandeur]

I've been steadfast in my opinion that Gabbert is garbage, but I think a lot of people are off base on Ponder. I didn't think much of him coming out of FSU, but the guy is going to be good. I thought he did better than expected, and that was on a team in disarray. He had Harvin and a box of farts to throw the ball to.

That being said, I think it is beyond foolish if Cleveland traded 1.22 for Mallett after passing him over round after round last year. It's not as if he came in and lit the league on fire in 2011. No ones opinion should change on Mallett just because he's a better option than Tennehill or whoever else. If Cleveland did this, or drafts Tennehill at 1.4 it will smell of desperation. Cleveland needs to draft the best available player... Richardson/Kahlil/Claibourne.

 

You do realize you're talknig about 2 different picks, right?

 

You could draft Richardson/Kalil/Claiborne at 4, and then trade the 22, rather than maybe have to reach a little on Weeden, or take another prospect that might might not pan out there....

 

You've already said that he's maybe better than Tannehill who they're considering at 1.04, and I assume you think he's a better prospect than Weeden, so why wouldn't they do this if they can with the 1.22?

 

I think it definitely changes my opinion about Mallet (who dropped because of character concerns) whose stock appears to have risen and stabilized with a strong preseason performance last year.

Edited April 19, 2012 by delusions of granduer

[Crazysight]

You do realize you're talknig about 2 different picks, right?

 

You could draft Richardson/Kalil/Claiborne at 4, and then trade the 22, rather than maybe have to reach a little on Weeden, or take another prospect that might might not pan out there....

 

You've already said that he's maybe better than Tannehill who they're considering at 1.04, and I assume you think he's a better prospect than Weeden, so why wouldn't they do this if they can with the 1.22?

 

I think it definitely changes my opinion about Mallet (who dropped because of character concerns) whose stock appears to have risen and stabilized with a strong preseason performance last year.

 

 

This, as far as Cleveland and all the other teams who passed over him last year are concerned. He dropped miles in the draft simply because of that concern. Some of the mocks I saw pre-combine last year had him as high as a top 10 pick. He's been nothing but a good egg in the NFL through his first year.

Edited April 19, 2012 by Crazysight

[Wpob]

Mallet for a second round pick would be a great move by Cleveland. So they probably won't do it (rim shot)

[Duchess Jack]

That being said, I think it is beyond foolish if Cleveland traded 1.22 for Mallett after passing him over round after round last year.

 

Different Mallet. This Mallet was on the Pats, for a year, behind Brady.

 

You have to wonder why the cheat would let him go, though.

[Papajohn]

Different Mallet. This Mallet was on the Pats, for a year, behind Brady.

 

You have to wonder why the cheat would let him go, though.

 

 

I really can't think of any other reason than to win right know. Brady isn't getting any younger.

I am beginning to think they might not trade down this year or maybe they want to trade Mallet because that pick would allow them to do both.

[detlef]

I really can't think of any other reason than to win right know. Brady isn't getting any younger.

I am beginning to think they might not trade down this year or maybe they want to trade Mallet because that pick would allow them to do both.

 

He's not so old that this should matter. By the time Brady is done, Mallet would most likely be gone. Bird in hand. If you can cash in on the guy by trading last year's 3rd rounder for this year's 1st or early 2nd? Why not?

[stevegrab]

You do realize you're talknig about 2 different picks, right?

 

You could draft Richardson/Kalil/Claiborne at 4, and then trade the 22, rather than maybe have to reach a little on Weeden, or take another prospect that might might not pan out there....

 

You've already said that he's maybe better than Tannehill who they're considering at 1.04, and I assume you think he's a better prospect than Weeden, so why wouldn't they do this if they can with the 1.22?

 

I think it definitely changes my opinion about Mallet (who dropped because of character concerns) whose stock appears to have risen and stabilized with a strong preseason performance last year.

 

 

According to who? That is only rumor and the usual misleading info being leaked. No way the Browns draft Tannehill at 1.04, or are even giving it serious consideration.

Edited April 20, 2012 by stevegrab

[piratesownninjas]

You do realize you're talknig about 2 different picks, right?

 

You could draft Richardson/Kalil/Claiborne at 4, and then trade the 22, rather than maybe have to reach a little on Weeden, or take another prospect that might might not pan out there....

 

You've already said that he's maybe better than Tannehill who they're considering at 1.04, and I assume you think he's a better prospect than Weeden, so why wouldn't they do this if they can with the 1.22?

 

I think it definitely changes my opinion about Mallet (who dropped because of character concerns) whose stock appears to have risen and stabilized with a strong preseason performance last year.

 

Yes, I do realize we're talking about 1.22. The problem was, that this front office decided at this time last year that Mallett wasn't even worth the risk of taking him in there first four rounds of selections. Nothing has changed with Mallett in a year. By simply being on the Patriots roster doesn't change him that much. You have to trust your talent evaluaters and not freak out 12 months later. And trade for a guy who wasn't on your board in the first four rounds a year ago by sending a first away.... Simply because the Patriots had him for a year. That's crazy.

I think he's better than Tannehill, and Weeden, but I don't think either are first round picks. What you're getting into is trading for a huge question mark simply because it's a need.

Cleveland still doesn't know what it has in Colt McCoy. He wasn't exactly given a lot to work with, but to say they have to have a quarterback this year is a stretch. If I'm Cleveland I'm taking the BPA with EVERY pick. If McCoy sucks this year and they're forced to bail then they'll more than likely have a shot at Matt Barkley, Wilson, or any of the guys coming out next year. Chasing a need position with a questionable fill opposed to drafting the BPA is not a design for success with bad teams. Cleveland has more needs than just a QB/RB combo.

Mallett dropped because of character concerns, attitude problems, and the fact that he couldn't run out of sight in a week.

If a guy who wasnt worth a fourth last year, is suddenly worth a 1st this year after not throwing a ball in the season... But he's worth a first now because he held a clipboard for Brady... That's insanity, and if a trade like this unfolds, Al Lerner should fire his Holmgren and Tom Heckert for making a massive mistake either last year, or knee jerking and trying to over correct last years slip.

[piratesownninjas]

According to who? That is only rumor and the usual misleading info being leaked. No way the Browns draft Tannehill at 1.04, or are even giving it serious consideration.

 

If I'm Cleveland, I'm taking

Kalil

Richardson

Claiborne

in that order. Although I'd be happy to get any of those guys. All blue chip game changers.

[piratesownninjas]

Different Mallet. This Mallet was on the Pats, for a year, behind Brady.

 

You have to wonder why the cheat would let him go, though.

 

Curious as to why a year behind Brady suddenly raises his value by three rounds? That's insane. If that's the case then they should take Nick Foles this year, then trade them off for a first next year. I think it is a flawed thought process to assume that a year behind Brady suddenly makes Mallett no longer a risk and worth the first. If Mallett was worth a first he wouldn't have fallen to the fourth.

[piratesownninjas]

Some of the mocks I saw pre-combine last year had him as high as a top 10 pick. He's been nothing but a good egg in the NFL through his first year.

 

And Robert Griffin wasn't even considered as a first rounder, let alone the no.2 pick in early 2012 mock drafts. What someone is viewed at by a mock draft in August, and what happens the following April have no correlation.

[delusions of grandeur]

It's not as much that he was behind Brady, it's far more that he's gotten past some real character concerns, that had to be why he dropped that far, when his talent and arm were clearly 1st round talent level. The guy was born to chuck the rock, but there were some really big concerns that he kid was not only a drug user, but a hard drug addict.

 

Particularly the first round, you can't have these kind of huge red flags, and we all know how a guy can drop when you've got that "avoid" label slapped on your chest.... There was absolutely no denying that he had the talent, however, and I know plenty who beat me in the punch stashing him in dynasty for just this reason. It was just a matter of who would spend a pick to take the equal risk with him.

 

If he could clean up his act under Belicheck, then it should absolutely change your opinion about him, along with a strong preseason performance and a mentor in Brady (but it's undoubtedly him getting past the character concerns that could cause his stock to skyrocket, like it would have predraft without these concerns).

 

Now I'm not behind the scenes obviously, but if everything we've seen from Mallet since he's been in the NFL holds true, then it's FAR less risky to get behind his talent, if his head isn't holding him back. Maybe he still couldn't quite fetch a first-rounder, but I think it's closer than you think, and in no way a desperation move if the guy is ready to be an NFL QB, like he well might be.

[Whiskey Pimp]

Mallett's contract is going to be very easy to handle as well compared to a high draft pick spent on someone this year or next.

[Kris N]

this is wishful thinking by the pats. i dont see anyone giving up a 2nd let alone a 1st for mallett. yes, he slid to them in the 3rd last year but this is all putting a little too much stock in holding a clipboard and watching brady for a year. i could see a team trading for hoyer but i think mallett will be holding the clipboard in NE again this year.

[Ice1]

this is wishful thinking by the pats. i dont see anyone giving up a 2nd let alone a 1st for mallett. yes, he slid to them in the 3rd last year but this is all putting a little too much stock in holding a clipboard and watching brady for a year. i could see a team trading for hoyer but i think mallett will be holding the clipboard in NE again this year.

 

 

I would think that if they move Mallet it will be in a package with a 1st to move up. I doubt they would trade him for a second rounder unless they really like Hoyer.

[Crazysight]

Curious as to why a year behind Brady suddenly raises his value by three rounds? That's insane. If that's the case then they should take Nick Foles this year, then trade them off for a first next year. I think it is a flawed thought process to assume that a year behind Brady suddenly makes Mallett no longer a risk and worth the first. If Mallett was worth a first he wouldn't have fallen to the fourth.

 

 

You keep falsely stating that Mallet was passed over four rounds by Cleveland and drafted in the fourth. He was NOT drafted in the fourth, he was drafted at 3.10 by the Patriots, who had absolutely no need for him but realized his value as the QB who had hands-down the strongest arm in the draft, passed for insane numbers in college and as a guy who fell much further in the draft than anybody expected. So you think it would be a better plan for Cleveland to just tank this year so that it has a shot at Barkley or whoever next year, rather than trading their second pick this year for a guy who would at least give McCoy competition this year? Do you think by tanking this year by not addressing the most important position of them all Holmgren and Heckert would have more job security as opposed to what they would have if they did trade the pick for Mallet?

Edited April 20, 2012 by Crazysight

[Crazysight]

It's not as much that he was behind Brady, it's far more that he's gotten past some real character concerns, that had to be why he dropped that far, when his talent and arm were clearly 1st round talent level. The guy was born to chuck the rock, but there were some really big concerns that he kid was not only a drug user, but a hard drug addict.

 

Particularly the first round, you can't have these kind of huge red flags, and we all know how a guy can drop when you've got that "avoid" label slapped on your chest.... There was absolutely no denying that he had the talent, however, and I know plenty who beat me in the punch stashing him in dynasty for just this reason. It was just a matter of who would spend a pick to take the equal risk with him.

 

If he could clean up his act under Belicheck, then it should absolutely change your opinion about him, along with a strong preseason performance and a mentor in Brady (but it's undoubtedly him getting past the character concerns that could cause his stock to skyrocket, like it would have predraft without these concerns).

 

Now I'm not behind the scenes obviously, but if everything we've seen from Mallet since he's been in the NFL holds true, then it's FAR less risky to get behind his talent, if his head isn't holding him back. Maybe he still couldn't quite fetch a first-rounder, but I think it's closer than you think, and in no way a desperation move if the guy is ready to be an NFL QB, like he well might be.

 

 

Exactly. In a draft that was full of QB prospects last year, he dropped simply because of character concerns, NOT lack of talent.

Edited April 20, 2012 by Crazysight

[Crazysight]

If I'm Cleveland, I'm taking

Kalil

Richardson

Claiborne

in that order. Although I'd be happy to get any of those guys. All blue chip game changers.

 

 

They'll be taking Richardson, barring anybody trading to get in front of them and nabbing him. Even if Kalil should happen to drop somehow along with Richardson, that's who they will likely take. They have no real playmakers of offense currently, and Trent is a back who can carry a load and be a complete back right from the start. The whole organization is on board with this pick, and I've no doubt that Richardson is who they are looking at.

Edited April 20, 2012 by Crazysight

[BeeR]

Nice to see some get it about Mallet. No way is anyone dropping more than about a mid-2d at most for a guy who went 3d round last year just because he managed to hold a clipboard for Brady last year without getting busted for crack. Or whatever. He has not confirmed OR eradicated any character concerns yet. NE won't get much for either backup IMO.