keggerz Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 http://blog.seahawks.com/2012/05/21/seahawks-acquire-winslow/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Was really hoping Oakland would jump on this... no real viable options at TE right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Interesting; since the Hawks are WR-po and now have Soldja and Zach Miller at TE....hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) Mike Sando is FB'ing that the conditional trade is a 2013 7th rounder that can be upgraded to a 6th. Zach Miller blocked a lot last year, it will be interesting to see what happens this year. Edited May 22, 2012 by bushwacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Mike Sando is FB'ing that the conditional trade is a 2013 7th rounder that can be upgraded to a 6th. Zach Miller blocked a lot last year, it will be interesting to see what happens this year. Well, if your choice is between Zach Miller blocking and Kellen Winslow blocking, I'm pretty sure we're all in agreement on the better option for that task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Looks like they signed Dallas Clark to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Rodgers Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) Looks like they signed Dallas Clark to replace him. Schiano continues to clean house. I don't like the trade as Winslow still is one of the better TE's in the league and who knows if Dallas Clark will be any good without Manning feeding him the ball. If the Seahawks can finally let Miller loose instead of forcing him to block, they could have some nasty 2 TE's sets going on. Edited May 22, 2012 by Jolly Rodgers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Schiano continues to clean house. I don't like the trade as Winslow still is one of the better TE's in the league and who knows if Dallas Clark will be any good without Manning feeding him the ball. If the Seahawks can finally let Miller loose instead of forcing him to block, they could have some nasty 2 TE's sets going on. i'm guessing winslow was traded because of his attitude rather than his football skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I thought winslow requested the trade after Schiano dressed him down for not working out with the team, and Schiano accomodated him. I find it fairly amusing that Winslow is quoted as considering himself one of TB's best players and the best TB could do in trade is get a pick where 90% of those drafted are future burger flippers. The kid ain't a patch on the old man's arse. Even getting a Dallas Clark well past his prime, TB may have come out well ahead in the deal. Pretty clear Schiano just sent his team a very clear message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Remember, KWII's knees are toast. He's one slip away from a total reconstruction and retirement. I'm a bit surprised they didn't do this (get something while they can) sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Agree with BB and muck, Winslow isn't really that good and has injury issues, so trading for anything of value is a good idea. He had talent when he entered the league, along with a lot of attitude and poor judgement (the motorcycle crash while trying to do wheelies with no safety gear and virtually zero experience). I still remember hearing how his Dad ripped into him when he went to see him at the hospital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Agree with BB and muck, Winslow isn't really that good and has injury issues, so trading for anything of value is a good idea. 2009: 16 games, 77 rec, 884 yds, 5 td 2010: 16 games, 66 rec, 730 yds, 5 td 2011: 16 games, 75 rec, 763 yds, 2 td How does "isn't really that good" and "injury issues" play into any of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) 2009: 16 games, 77 rec, 884 yds, 5 td 2010: 16 games, 66 rec, 730 yds, 5 td 2011: 16 games, 75 rec, 763 yds, 2 td How does "isn't really that good" and "injury issues" play into any of that? 75 + receptions in 5 of the last 6 seasons is horrible for a TE. ETA: 4 out of 6... Anyway, while he has never been on that elite tier he's consistently been below that production wise. Edited May 22, 2012 by bushwacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 2009: 16 games, 77 rec, 884 yds, 5 td 2010: 16 games, 66 rec, 730 yds, 5 td 2011: 16 games, 75 rec, 763 yds, 2 td How does "isn't really that good" and "injury issues" play into any of that? You got me, I guess I was wrong. I was probably inserting my own bias, and responding in part to Jolly Rogers claim that he is still one of the better TEs in the league. With the recent success of some real stud TEs, his numbers just weren't on my radar. Using fantasy points from the scoring in my league (no PPR, 1/10yd, 6/TD), he is #9 over the last 3 years. So I was probably thinking of him more in fantasy terms (bottom third of starting TEs) and not in NFL terms (still top 10-15 probably). As far as injuries, again must not have been watching his more recent history in TB, but with CLE in 5 years he started 2-0-16-16-10, that's an average of about 8.5 games started per season. And overall just a negative attitude about the guy, after his screw ups here early in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Shame, he coulda been a beast with a better head on his shoulders...gifted as hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 His on-field behavior typically isn't questioned. It will be interesting to see how he adjusts to being a backup. Not sure if he'll get the chance to beat out Miller. That said, Miller, although rarely given chances, was quite awful when he got them. Dropped a few REALLY big passes, one that hit him in the chest that would have won a game. Wouldn't be shocked if Winslow beats him out. Winslow is a really good player. Probably the Bucs best player last season. I'll take it. Can you say west coast Pats?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 His on-field behavior typically isn't questioned. It will be interesting to see how he adjusts to being a backup. Not sure if he'll get the chance to beat out Miller. That said, Miller, although rarely given chances, was quite awful when he got them. Dropped a few REALLY big passes, one that hit him in the chest that would have won a game. Wouldn't be shocked if Winslow beats him out. Winslow is a really good player. Probably the Bucs best player last season. I'll take it. Can you say west coast Pats?? Ummm... No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Ummm... No. Exactly. What a silly comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 (edited) I found this analysis in Huddle player news interesting --- Updating a previous report, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers traded TE Kellen Winslow to the Seattle Seahawks Monday, May 21, in exchange for a 2013 seventh-round draft pick that can be upgraded to a sixth-round selection. Huddle Up: Tampa decided to get something for Winslow while they still could. Winslow led the Buccaneers in receptions during each of his three seasons with the team, but last year he only averaged 10.2 yards per catch despite almost never being double-teamed. Not only will he have to beat out Zach Miller for the starting job, there's no guarantee he'll beat out Cameron Morrah or Anthony McCoy for the No. 2 spot. Winslow has had six knee surgeries... and when you're replaced by a rapidly-declining Dallas Clark it's obvious how much confidence the team had in you. Edited May 23, 2012 by stevegrab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I found this analysis in Huddle player news interesting --- Updating a previous report, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers traded TE Kellen Winslow to the Seattle Seahawks Monday, May 21, in exchange for a 2013 seventh-round draft pick that can be upgraded to a sixth-round selection. Huddle Up: Tampa decided to get something for Winslow while they still could. Winslow led the Buccaneers in receptions during each of his three seasons with the team, but last year he only averaged 10.2 yards per catch despite almost never being double-teamed. Not only will he have to beat out Zach Miller for the starting job, there's no guarantee he'll beat out Cameron Morrah or Anthony McCoy for the No. 2 spot. Winslow has had six knee surgeries... and when you're replaced by a rapidly-declining Dallas Clark it's obvious how much confidence the team had in you. This is interesting analysis. I'm a Seahawks homer, and I'm also a Winslow fan, so I feel like I'm probably biased. Mostly, I like Winslow the same reason I like guys like Fred Jackson and Eli Manning. They are guys that are still there when all the already-are-studs and the projected-to-be-studs are drafted and over-drafted. The guy who everyone forgets about because they don't expect him to bounce, and he ends up being a plug-and-chug guy who you rarely concern yourself with once the season starts. The Seahawks have had zero production from their TE spot since Jerramy Stevens left. They traded for Zach Miller to pair up with John Carlson last year with absolutely no bump from the spot, partially because of Carlson's injury and a requirement for Miller to block more due to a shoddy offensive line early in the season. Acquiring Winslow not only gives them two TE with track records of playmaking at the NFL level, it also gives them a much surer set of hands than anyone else they currently have on their roster. I recognize that from the Tampa perspective that the new coach is cleaning the "bad attitudes" out of the locker room, and that they are getting something for someone who suddenly has bad knees and a bad work ethic (though the on-field production and consistency does not reflect this) whom they were likely to release soon anyway. What I don't see in this analysis is the potential for the Seattle side of things. Adding a 29-yr old with a very steady level of production for the last several years going to a team that doesn't have a bona fide main target, nor a consistent red zone threat in the passing game likely to be run by a guy who's got two starts under his belt at the NFL level. The assumption being made is that Winslow is done and that his 2011 production of 75 catches, 763 yards, and 2 TDs in 16 games is somehow not an improvement over a group of 3 TE's whose combined production last year included 44 catches, 453 yards, and 0 TD's. I see a lot to like about Winslow's new situation. What am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 This is interesting analysis. I'm a Seahawks homer, and I'm also a Winslow fan, so I feel like I'm probably biased. Mostly, I like Winslow the same reason I like guys like Fred Jackson and Eli Manning. They are guys that are still there when all the already-are-studs and the projected-to-be-studs are drafted and over-drafted. The guy who everyone forgets about because they don't expect him to bounce, and he ends up being a plug-and-chug guy who you rarely concern yourself with once the season starts. The Seahawks have had zero production from their TE spot since Jerramy Stevens left. They traded for Zach Miller to pair up with John Carlson last year with absolutely no bump from the spot, partially because of Carlson's injury and a requirement for Miller to block more due to a shoddy offensive line early in the season. Acquiring Winslow not only gives them two TE with track records of playmaking at the NFL level, it also gives them a much surer set of hands than anyone else they currently have on their roster. I recognize that from the Tampa perspective that the new coach is cleaning the "bad attitudes" out of the locker room, and that they are getting something for someone who suddenly has bad knees and a bad work ethic (though the on-field production and consistency does not reflect this) whom they were likely to release soon anyway. What I don't see in this analysis is the potential for the Seattle side of things. Adding a 29-yr old with a very steady level of production for the last several years going to a team that doesn't have a bona fide main target, nor a consistent red zone threat in the passing game likely to be run by a guy who's got two starts under his belt at the NFL level. The assumption being made is that Winslow is done and that his 2011 production of 75 catches, 763 yards, and 2 TDs in 16 games is somehow not an improvement over a group of 3 TE's whose combined production last year included 44 catches, 453 yards, and 0 TD's. I see a lot to like about Winslow's new situation. What am I missing? What I found interesting is that experts who do this stuff for a living have some of the same (possibly incorrect) perceptions of Winslow regaridng injuries (bad knees) and not being so great (traded for little value, replaced by a nearly washed up Dallas Clark). I think we're both a little biased (me against Winslow because of his blowing it with the Browns and you as a Seattle fan thinking this is going to be a huge improvement for the Seahawks). It will be interesting to see how it goes from here, if he is the 1 or 2 (or lower) TE, and what kind of projections people make for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfan Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Can you say west coast Pats?? Ummm... No. QB with fancy hair, check D-bag coach who thinks he's a genius, check Loud-mouthed, pompous, blow-hard fan-base, check I think that Seahawks21 guy may be on to something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 He coulda been a contenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borge007 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 QB with fancy hair, check D-bag coach who thinks he's a genius, check Loud-mouthed, pompous, blow-hard fan-base, check I think that Seahawks21 guy may be on to something. You talkin bout the Jets? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papajohn Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 QB with fancy hair, check D-bag coach who thinks he's a genius, check Loud-mouthed, pompous, blow-hard fan-base, check I think that Seahawks21 guy may be on to something. Wauw. That was really really weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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