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[DizzyDave45]

Hi, I'm new here so I hope this is the right forum to post in.

Anyways, I'm the commissioner of a new 14 team keeper league (w/IDPs).  Our idea is to have an 8 man off roster (QB, 2HB, 2WR, TE, Flex, K) and a 7 man def roster (2DL, 2LB, 2DB, 1 SP Teamer).  Also have 10 bench slots and 1 IR slot.  I think were going to keep 5 offensive players and 4 defensive players.

My question is what do you believe would be the best keeper format.  I'm leaning toward a +1 format (if the player you keep was drafted in round 5, you must give up 4th round pick the next year, 3rd round pick the following).  In this scenario, round 1 picks would not be eligible for keepers.  

The thing that is stumping me is a possible scenario where a player wants to keep his original 2nd round pick, but also wants to keep a 2nd round player that he traded for.    In all other cases, he would lose the next higher pick, but you can't go any higher then round 1. What do you do about something like this?

I need some suggestions please! Also, if you have a similar league and would be so kind to let me look at your constitution, it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

[tazinib1]

Ever try a dynasty league?

You will get some pretty in depth feedback on this as there are a lot of very experienced IDP commish's in this forum.

Welcome to the Huddle!

[Big Country]

DizzyDave45, on 17 June 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

The thing that is stumping me is a possible scenario where a player wants to keep his original 2nd round pick, but also wants to keep a 2nd round player that he traded for. In all other cases, he would lose the next higher pick, but you can't go any higher then round 1. What do you do about something like this?

He either can only keep one of the players, or he would have to make a trade for another 1st round pick that he would have to give up to be able to keep the player.

[MTSuper7]

I would say there isn't really a "best" format. It's really a matter of preference. The most important advice I can give is for you to be diligent about recording your league rules. For instance, if you had a rule that stated "You may keep up to 3 players from your roster", you would want details that explain how those keepers are chosen, any exceptions, etc. - Things like "You must forfeit your draft pick in the round preceding the round in which your keeper was drafted. In the event of keeping players acquired via trade, you are NOT allowed to keep multiple players with the same original draft round".

As for my preference, I'm not a big fan of the +1, especially if you can keep players for multiple years. I think you're better off either going dynasty as Taz suggests or leaving keepers out of the equation (either jump into the middle of the pool and swim or stay out). But if you really insist on keepers, a +1 seems to be the most popular. I like the cumulative years rule with multiple year keepers (i.e. The first year your keep, you lose one pick higher than the original draft spot. The second year you keep someone, you lose two picks higher than they were kept the prior year. The third year, you lose three picks higher, etc." This keeps the 10th round + picks that come out of nowhere to become studs from skewing the league too much. Now instead of giving up a 9th, 8th, 7th for 3 years in a row for a player drafted in the 10th, you lose a 9th, 7th, 4th.

[Kris N]

you can also setup a tier system. i'm in a 2 player keeper league with 1 player from rounds 1-3 and 1 from the rest of the draft/FA. You could do the same thing with your big keeper league saying 4 players from rounds 1-10 and 4 from rest of the draft/FA.  Then your keepers would be rounds 1-8 and rounds 9 and 10 would be your first real rounds of the draft.  This keeps the player pool rotating, where in some keeper leagues the players never reenter the player pool.

And i agree, make sure you spell out the rules with the keepers in black and white.  Make sure you try to think of crazy situations that "will never happen", because they will happen.

[DizzyDave45]

Thanks for all of the good advice.  I considered going dynasty, but a couple of our players are only a couple years deep in ff experience.  I do want to have some keepers, but in discussion with other league members I probably went a little too far with the numbers.  I really like ur idea Kris about the tier system.  I will definitely keep it in mind for our league's meeting this Sat.  

I definitely will be diligent in building the constitution.  Is it possible that someone can give me an outline of your league constitution so I can make sure I don't miss anything? Once again thanks to everybody!

[flemingd]

DizzyDave45, on 17 June 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Hi, I'm new here so I hope this is the right forum to post in.

Anyways, I'm the commissioner of a new 14 team keeper league (w/IDPs).  Our idea is to have an 8 man off roster (QB, 2HB, 2WR, TE, Flex, K) and a 7 man def roster (2DL, 2LB, 2DB, 1 SP Teamer).  Also have 10 bench slots and 1 IR slot.  I think were going to keep 5 offensive players and 4 defensive players.

My question is what do you believe would be the best keeper format.  I'm leaning toward a +1 format (if the player you keep was drafted in round 5, you must give up 4th round pick the next year, 3rd round pick the following).  In this scenario, round 1 picks would not be eligible for keepers.  

The thing that is stumping me is a possible scenario where a player wants to keep his original 2nd round pick, but also wants to keep a 2nd round player that he traded for. In all other cases, he would lose the next higher pick, but you can't go any higher then round 1. What do you do about something like this?

I need some suggestions please! Also, if you have a similar league and would be so kind to let me look at your constitution, it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

I am a huge fan of keeping it simple.  Tracking things like round drafted, new round cost, what you can trade vs. what you gave up in keepers, if you gave up a 4th to keep a guy can you keep him again for a 3rd, then a  - screw all that.  My homer keeper has four keeper rules:

You cannot keep a guy drafted in the first 3 rounds.
You cannot keep a guy more than one year.
You must keep one player drafted rounds 4-9
You must keep one player drafted rounds 10-14 or picked up.

There are a lot of nuances involved.  Managing your tiers ends up a big one - I picked up Cruz and Jordy Nelson, but my draft sucked - now I'm looking to make a draft for someone that was drafted in the early tier.  Drafting late has added meaning - you get the first pick in the keeper tier rounds of 4 and 10.  It's interesting to watch guys drafting late 3 that you know are thinking "I should draft QB1 here, but maybe if I wait I can get him in the early 4 and keep him".  All of the "studs" go back into the pool with the first 3 rounds not being kept.  Maybe you get lucky with rookie RB's, but no one keeps Foster/Rice/etc.

If you go dynasty, or long term keepers, or a lot of keepers, build slowly.  Only keep a couple guys the first year, then another 1-2 each year after.  That takes the onus off of having early successful drafts and gives the rookies a couple of years to learn rather than thrown to the wolves.

[DizzyDave45]

flemingd, thanks. I believe this is something we will definitely discuss and it's the direction im leaning toward. Once again thanks to everybody. Man i wish football season will hurry up and get here.

[Papajohn]

Play with a waiver budget. For the love of god play with a waiver budget, It is so much more fun and IMO the only way to play.
Some might say that I shoud also fancy an auction draft then, but unfortunately I have never participated in one, so I can't say.

[flemingd]

Papajohn, on 22 June 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

Play with a waiver budget. For the love of god play with a waiver budget, It is so much more fun and IMO the only way to play.
Some might say that I shoud also fancy an auction draft then, but unfortunately I have never participated in one, so I can't say.

+1

x infinity

Auction draft + waiver budget is by far the most fun league I am in.  The only bad part about it is that it's VERY unforgiving to lesser owners or on bad luck and injuries.  Walking into a draft with stud RB's for $1 each is a huge, huge advantage when everyone else is dropping $40 on their RB's.  And the flipside is that it's much more difficult to recover.  When Steven Jackson is the best RB left, and there are 6 guys with $70 left to bid, he's gonna go for 30.  it's awful hard to build a competitive team when you are spending $30 on a tier 2.5 RB.  It's hella fun, and being a competitive owner I'm loving it, but I truly look at some of these other owners and wonder why they keep coming back.