tazinib1 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Jonathan Stewart grades out as Pro Football Focus' most elusive back of the last three seasons.PFF uses a formula that factors in missed tackles and production after contact to grade each player. Since the start of the 2009 season, Stewart's 58.8 rating paces the league. Fred Jackson, Michael Turner, Adrian Peterson, and Marshawn Lynch round out the top-five. Buffalo's Tashard Choice (11.4) has the lowest mark among active backs. I'd like to personally thank John Fox for wasting 3 years of Stews career. Hopefully the brass in Carolina realize what they have. I have a feeling this is the year Stew takes the reigns. One can only hope right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 They need to rename that metric...and as part of a twitter convo the other day I think they now know that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I hope this is the year people quit saying bellcow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I hope this is the year people quit saying bellcow. Bur needs more cowbell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Bur needs more cowbell. More cowbell is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I thought it would be Lesean McCoy followed by Darren Sproles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I thought it would be Lesean McCoy followed by Darren Sproles. If it were a one year review then Sproles would probably be pretty high on the list. However, note that Pierre Thomas is #7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverback Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I wonder what D-Will (and his mega contract) thinks about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I shudder to think what Taz's walls and ceiling look like after this report was released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 I shudder to think what Taz's walls and ceiling look like after this report was released. You should see the autographed 8x10 that Kyle sent me. Anybody got some Windex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajh2 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 You should see the autographed 8x10 that Kyle sent me. Anybody got some Windex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 He's not kidding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 I thought it would be Lesean McCoy followed by Darren Sproles. Believe it or not, McCoy is #21 and Sproles #39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Believe it or not, McCoy is #21 and Sproles #39 I'd call that evidence of a seriously flawed method of analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 Make your own decision Remember..this is over a 3 year time span and the formula is sound IMO. I'd like to know what you think is wrong with it...seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) Make your own decision Remember..this is over a 3 year time span and the formula is sound IMO. I'd like to know what you think is wrong with it...seriously. Thomas and Snelling at #7 & #8; while Rice and Sproles are at #37 & #39? That doesn't remotely pass the smell test, even for a moderate football fan. I believe what I see a lot more than a set of numbers cooked up like this. What difference does a 3 year time frame make? Either a guy is elusive or he isn't - time frame doesn't make a sniff of difference. But if you're going to tell me that your analysis system says Thomas is way more elusive than Rice, I'll tell you that you have the picture hung upside down. Edited July 4, 2012 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Thomas and Snelling at #7 & #8; while Rice and Sproles are at #37 & #39? That doesn't remotely pass the smell test, even for a moderate football fan. I believe what I see a lot more than a set of numbers cooked up like this. What difference does a 3 year time frame make? Either a guy is elusive or he isn't - time frame doesn't make a sniff of difference. But if you're going to tell me that your analysis system says Thomas is way more elusive than Rice, I'll tell you that you have the picture hung upside down. So Rice only being able to manage a pedestrian 108 missed tackles in 1069 touches is clouding your judgement? Either a RB makes a player miss a tackle or he doesn't. We are not talking about breaking tackles or breakaway speed here. We are talking about RB's who make a tackler miss in the open field. Clearly, in 1069 touches, Rice is where he should be when you have guys with more missed tackles in over HALF as less touches. And contrary to popular opinion, Sproles has not eclipsed 100 carries in those 3 seasons. Matter of fact, half of his touches come courtesy of the pass. And we both know with the pass, you take half of the defense out of the equation in terms of miss tackles. All Sproles has to worry about are LB's and the secondary...both of which whom have far better speed than a lineman. So yeah, Sproles 52 missed tackles in 3 years kinda explains that as well. You can spin your Rice/Sproles argument any which way you like, but as you say, any moderate football fan will know how the numbers add up. Edited July 5, 2012 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I agree it is an interesting metric, but one that is very inaptly named. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share Posted July 5, 2012 And don't be pissing all over my Stew chest thumping just because your RB savior Moreno turned out to be a bust. Hopefully, Ronnie Tillman takes over mid season and all will be good in BB land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 And don't be pissing all over my Stew chest thumping just because your RB savior Moreno turned out to be a bust. Hopefully, Ronnie Tillman takes over mid season and all will be good in BB land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 You can spin your Rice/Sproles argument any which way you like, but as you say, any moderate football fan will know how the numbers add up. + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share Posted July 5, 2012 Tillman? Who the hell is Tillman. Hillman...yeah that's the guy. And I've been sober 21 days lol...I can spell better drunk!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajh2 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 >>raises hand>> what if he out runs everyone and nobody gets closes to even attempt a tackle, does it count? I think this is the oversight of this whole metric. A breakaway runs would essentially count for nothing. I think this is more a ranking of power and the ability to fend-odd tackles (stiff arm) rather than a measure of speed and make tacklers miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share Posted July 5, 2012 >>raises hand>> what if he out runs everyone and nobody gets closes to even attempt a tackle, does it count? I think this is the oversight of this whole metric. A breakaway runs would essentially count for nothing. I think this is more a ranking of power and the ability to fend-odd tackles (stiff arm) rather than a measure of speed and make tacklers miss. isn't a stiff arm considered a broken tackle? And yes, I believe making tacklers whiff is not put into the equation as the Yards after Contact are essential to the formula. Thats not to say Stew does not possess breakaway speed...we all know better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 elusiveadjective1. difficult to catch, tricky, slippery, difficult to find, evasive, shifty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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