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Most elusive back past 3 seasons you ask?


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Jonathan Stewart grades out as Pro Football Focus' most elusive back of the last three seasons.

PFF uses a formula that factors in missed tackles and production after contact to grade each player. Since the start of the 2009 season, Stewart's 58.8 rating paces the league. Fred Jackson, Michael Turner, Adrian Peterson, and Marshawn Lynch round out the top-five. Buffalo's Tashard Choice (11.4) has the lowest mark among active backs.

 

 

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I'd like to personally thank John Fox for wasting 3 years of Stews career. Hopefully the brass in Carolina realize what they have. I have a feeling this is the year Stew takes the reigns. One can only hope right?

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I thought it would be Lesean McCoy followed by Darren Sproles.

 

If it were a one year review then Sproles would probably be pretty high on the list. However, note that Pierre Thomas is #7. :tup:
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Make your own decision

 

Remember..this is over a 3 year time span and the formula is sound IMO. I'd like to know what you think is wrong with it...seriously.

 

 

Thomas and Snelling at #7 & #8; while Rice and Sproles are at #37 & #39? That doesn't remotely pass the smell test, even for a moderate football fan. I believe what I see a lot more than a set of numbers cooked up like this. What difference does a 3 year time frame make? Either a guy is elusive or he isn't - time frame doesn't make a sniff of difference. But if you're going to tell me that your analysis system says Thomas is way more elusive than Rice, I'll tell you that you have the picture hung upside down.

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Thomas and Snelling at #7 & #8; while Rice and Sproles are at #37 & #39? That doesn't remotely pass the smell test, even for a moderate football fan. I believe what I see a lot more than a set of numbers cooked up like this. What difference does a 3 year time frame make? Either a guy is elusive or he isn't - time frame doesn't make a sniff of difference. But if you're going to tell me that your analysis system says Thomas is way more elusive than Rice, I'll tell you that you have the picture hung upside down.

 

 

So Rice only being able to manage a pedestrian 108 missed tackles in 1069 touches is clouding your judgement? Either a RB makes a player miss a tackle or he doesn't. We are not talking about breaking tackles or breakaway speed here. We are talking about RB's who make a tackler miss in the open field. Clearly, in 1069 touches, Rice is where he should be when you have guys with more missed tackles in over HALF as less touches. And contrary to popular opinion, Sproles has not eclipsed 100 carries in those 3 seasons. Matter of fact, half of his touches come courtesy of the pass. And we both know with the pass, you take half of the defense out of the equation in terms of miss tackles. All Sproles has to worry about are LB's and the secondary...both of which whom have far better speed than a lineman. So yeah, Sproles 52 missed tackles in 3 years kinda explains that as well.

 

You can spin your Rice/Sproles argument any which way you like, but as you say, any moderate football fan will know how the numbers add up. :wink:

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>>raises hand>> what if he out runs everyone and nobody gets closes to even attempt a tackle, does it count?

 

I think this is the oversight of this whole metric. A breakaway runs would essentially count for nothing. I think this is more a ranking of power and the ability to fend-odd tackles (stiff arm) rather than a measure of speed and make tacklers miss.

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>>raises hand>> what if he out runs everyone and nobody gets closes to even attempt a tackle, does it count?

 

I think this is the oversight of this whole metric. A breakaway runs would essentially count for nothing. I think this is more a ranking of power and the ability to fend-odd tackles (stiff arm) rather than a measure of speed and make tacklers miss.

 

 

isn't a stiff arm considered a broken tackle? And yes, I believe making tacklers whiff is not put into the equation as the Yards after Contact are essential to the formula. Thats not to say Stew does not possess breakaway speed...we all know better than that. :brow:

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